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Thread: Will incels have the last laugh?

post 1603571981 04-27-2020, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted By Spartanize⏩
you don't really decide those things

your raw intelligence determines what career you're capable of, of course you need to put in the work to get there too

your connections also determine what company you will get a job at

even personality is highly genetic, and not everyone has natural charm
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
you can't "fix" this because its human nature. Any man deprived of sex for their entire life will be depressed. All you can do is COPE
Get a hooker and shut the fuk up
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I don't get how one stays an incel. Literally got 2 girls asking me to nut inside them today, srs


The problem is that deep down they hate women. They make an us vs them the enemy mentality. The entire concept that talking to a woman is only a means to get laid is a slight form of mental illness.

It should not be work at all. You have to plant the seed and wait for it to grow in 1-2 months. Then you constantly have flowers blooming. Enjoy the process of planting the seed.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
I don't doubt those hermit are happy. What I would say is that they are exceptions to the rule. How many people do you know, including yourself, that you think would be happy living in isolation for 20 years? I mean, there's youtube vids of a chick trying to be a horse. I'm sure that chit makes her ecstatic, but she's a rare exception.
But doesnt that demonstrate that happiness happens within the mind of the individual? It's really more about your mind set then your circumstance. If somebody can be happy alone in the wilderness for 30 years ( or with a horse saddle on ), its because his mind interprets his circumstance as a happy one. There is no universal circumstance for happiness, otherwise this would not be possible.

There's an old saying "there's nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so". If you depend on your circumstance for your happiness then your happiness depends on things largely out of your control. If you can master your inner environment, then happiness is a choice and something that you have control over. The first is a more fragile happiness that will change with your external circumstances, the second is a much firmer happiness.

What Im saying is, the incel has the opportunity to develop this "inner independent" happiness, maybe more so than the Chad. This is just my theory.
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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
What exactly do you expect the psychiatric evaluation to uncover as a solution? "Oh, you desire human connection, let us hook you up with some Seroquel to correct that"
You're better than this, I expect more from you. Way more from you; I expect way more than a half-assed attempt to be facetious.
Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Yes, this makes sense. So, do you think the incel at least has the opportunity to own his situation, accept it and rise to a level of contentment? Or, at that moment, the moment he decides to exercise control over his circumstance is he no longer an incel?
I think for the large majority of men who self-identify as incels, there are solutions. In fact, the large majority of incels are not so hideous that their efforts could not earn them a partner. Granted, some may have to work harder than others, but that is the nature of life.

There is also the possibility that acceptance can occur. Most of them are stuck in the Anger stage of their grief. A few have made it to the depressive state. Most have not accepted their situation, and likely will not. Acceptance can take a lifetime.

Acceptance also tends to come with adequate coping measures, that more often than not, lead to the originally desired outcomes.
Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
you can't "fix" this because its human nature. Any man deprived of sex for their entire life will be depressed. All you can do is COPE
Not adequately, apparently.
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Originally Posted By Fang2⏩
Get a hooker and shut the fuk up
Illegal retard
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Originally Posted By trapspot⏩
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
You're better than this, I expect more from you. Way more from you; I expect way more than a half-assed attempt to be facetious.
The frustration is with this being the final solution and yet being so limited. It's not the same as taking your car into the shop and they fix it. There is no fix at this time. There will be eventually, but not in the near future.

I'm with BBM, there is no patch fix for lack of meaningful relationships. The closest you can get is complete isolation, which is obviously difficult to achieve and suboptimal. There is no CBT fix for it short of one that corrects the underlying problem itself and results in meaningful relationships.

Further, there is an overwhelming pattern between the perception of locus of control and positive attributes. People with positive or favorable attributes and therefore ability/good outcomes tend to perceive themselves as being in control and the driving force behind those good outcomes. People with unfavorable attributes experience the negative outcomes and limited potential associated with those attributes and perceive environmental factors as the driving force behind everything.

I tend to think the former is a self-serving bias
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Illegal retard
******* I'm more American than you will ever be. Now go fuk off and stop posting
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Originally Posted By Fang2⏩
******* I'm more American than you will ever be. Now go fuk off and stop posting
lmaooo he mad.

You're the one suggesting something that isn't legal. fuk off phgt
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
lmaooo he mad.

You're the one suggesting something that isn't legal. fuk off phgt



The only one mad is you kunt. Don't blame the world just because you cannot and will never get pussy. It's entirely your fault you stupid incel.
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post 1603575181 04-27-2020, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
BRB Keep what they earn and save. Retire early.
Your entire thread is a non-starter. There have been some good posts in this thread but I'll approach it a bit differently:

Involuntarily Celibate persons are, by definition, identified through their group dynamic in which their sex life has been stopped against their will. The acceptance of this is 'voluntarily celibate'. Both of these groups are a far way from 'acceptance' (say, a higher order state of being you refer to) because they are in a group where they arelackinga primary need in any flourishing life. I'm not saying 90 year olds need to get laid to be happy; I'm saying that people who go through life lacking this sort of physical contact are missing out on something big. A pre-requisite for a 'happy life'.

I quoted a part of your post that also doesn't make much sense: most single women in the United States out-earn their single male counterparts and men's groups do not take this seriously enough. This is part of the victim-hood of incel groups because so many believe that they out-earn women or that 'women are out to get their money' and so on which is factually incorrect:

http://content.time.com/time/busines...015274,00.html

From this, married couples have a great potential (not necessarily so, of course) to out-earn single earners. You say 'keep what they earn' as if a married male is obliged to 'donate to his wife', but again - reap what you sow. If you want to marry a 'dependent' - your choice. Not mine.

Chads are a misnomer here on the Misc - always conflated with 'looks'. But a Chad is truly a confident male who is emotionally secure and mature. Not much 'touches' a Chad. So you projecting that chads 'deteriorate under the pressures of his advantages' is, again, a non-starter. Chad doesn't do that. Weak persons, i.e., incels, -cels in general, interest group identity/politics copers, are the ones who 'deterioriate.

They deteriorate so much that they sit around obsessing over whether or not incels are 'better off' than a Chad. A real Chad has family and friends - meaningful relationships in the real world of every kind. How could an incel possibly compare in any way, shape or form?

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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
lmaooo he mad.

You're the one suggesting something that isn't legal. fuk off phgt
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Originally Posted By Fang2⏩



The only one mad is you kunt. Don't blame the world just because you cannot and will never get pussy. It's entirely your fault you stupid incel.
Why is this b.s line always used. I don't blame the world or blame anyone, this is literally human nature and I've never claimed otherwise
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idk about you but if i dont have kids i know for a fact ill be lonely and live with regrets when im 50-80. I'll have missed on one of lifes most incredible experiences, raising a child to be an athlete, giving him words of wisdom, seeing him have a child of his own, thats a special thing good or bad, to miss out on that would be a very sad reality in old age, all your parents will be dead, you could have all the money in the world and you'll still be depressed. Once you buy your toys, the next great toy is like a hit off a drug, a couple months of it you'll sober up and still be searching for the next drug to fill that void. materials and a big number in the account does not give you long lasting happiness. You will see
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Originally Posted By Fang2⏩
******* I'm more American than you will ever be. Now go fuk off and stop posting
You DO know he meant hookers are illegal, right?
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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
The frustration is with this being the final solution and yet being so limited. It's not the same as taking your car into the shop and they fix it. There is no fix at this time. There will be eventually, but not in the near future.

I'm with BBM, there is no patch fix for lack of meaningful relationships. The closest you can get is complete isolation, which is obviously difficult to achieve and suboptimal. There is no CBT fix for it short of one that corrects the underlying problem itself and results in meaningful relationships.

Further, there is an overwhelming pattern between the perception of locus of control and positive attributes. People with positive or favorable attributes and therefore ability/good outcomes tend to perceive themselves as being in control and the driving force behind those good outcomes. People with unfavorable attributes experience the negative outcomes and limited potential associated with those attributes and perceive environmental factors as the driving force behind everything.

I tend to think the former is a self-serving bias
One of my absolute favorite things in the world, and I'm sure most people feel the same, is hearing a great underdog story. Truthfully, we all want the guy who is the most disadvantaged to win. It's inspiring, because it lets us know that despite our human limitations, we are capable of things that are beyond what is expected of us. Humanity has the uncanny ability to be remarkably resilient and we have plenty of remarkable examples of disadvantaged humans who manage to do something staggering despite all the odds being stacked up against them.

However, I am fully aware that for the amount of people who manage to overcome their circumstances there are just as many, if not more, who are unable to do so. It's unfortunate, and saddening.

I had an incredibly long post about a time in my life when I believed there was only one solution to my problem: getting back together with the girl I considered the "love of my life." It was a lengthy post about major depressive episodes I'd gone through during the course of the four years I could not rid my mind of her. It addressed suicidal thoughts I had. It addressed dropping out of college, doing copious amounts of drugs, losing my job, losing my car after a car accident... It had also addressed a time in which I decided on a date that I would kill myself.Truthfully speaking, I had plenty of things that weren't right in my life during that time.

But then I deleted it. I've talked about it before on the misc, but I've also deleted every post about it because it is incredibly personal and honestly really isn't something I like telling people about myself. Then again, I've also told you some of it before.

My point in bringing it up is specifically because you referred to the final solution being so limited, and trying to liken it to going to a mechanic shop where they can't fix your car. It's not like that.

You just can't see it yet because you haven't escaped.
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Incels are miserable people. To me they are either one of two things:

Arrogant, closeted homosexuals
Creeps that will never have a chance with any biological woman

No way a man can go through life without female attention and feel ok about that unless hes a certified *******.
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
One of my absolute favorite things in the world, and I'm sure most people feel the same, is hearing a great underdog story. Truthfully, we all want the guy who is the most disadvantaged to win. It's inspiring, because it lets us know that despite our human limitations, we are capable of things that are beyond what is expected of us. Humanity has the uncanny ability to be remarkably resilient and we have plenty of remarkable examples of disadvantaged humans who manage to do something staggering despite all the odds being stacked up against them.

However, I am fully aware that for the amount of people who manage to overcome their circumstances there are just as many, if not more, who are unable to do so. It's unfortunate, and saddening.

I had an incredibly long post about a time in my life when I believed there was only one solution to my problem: getting back together with the girl I considered the "love of my life." It was a lengthy post about major depressive episodes I'd gone through during the course of the four years I could not rid my mind of her. It addressed suicidal thoughts I had. It addressed dropping out of college, doing copious amounts of drugs, losing my job, losing my car after a car accident... It had also addressed a time in which I decided on a date that I would kill myself.Truthfully speaking, I had plenty of things that weren't right in my life during that time.

But then I deleted it. I've talked about it before on the misc, but I've also deleted every post about it because it is incredibly personal and honestly really isn't something I like telling people about myself. Then again, I've also told you some of it before.

My point in bringing it up is specifically because you referred to the final solution being so limited, and trying to liken it to going to a mechanic shop where they can't fix your car. It's not like that.

You just can't see it yet because you haven't escaped.
real easy words .. coming from the SEXIEST PERSON ON THE MISC

give us a break
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Most people don't even know what an incel actually is. Most of the points in the OP are of a responsible male in certain contexts. I remember someone posting a story of a guy who was a virgin at like 22 throughout college and someone asked him why and his response was something like, "does getting laid help me make money or help me with my career? No it doesn't." That's not him being an incel it's him putting his priorities where they need to be.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you.
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
I'm saying that people who go through life lacking this sort of physical contact are missing out on something big. A pre-requisite for a 'happy life'.
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I feel like we've already covered this, I showed examples of relatively happy people who are living without those things. I personally know people who are happy without those things, and I have personally been happy when I didnt have those things.

So I think the argument that you "need" physical contact or special relationships to be happy has been debunked. There are happy hermits who are living with literally no human companionship for decades. The examples are endless, there's no argument.
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Originally Posted By billclintonnn⏩
Most people don't even know what an incel actually is. Most of the points in the OP are of a responsible male in certain contexts. I remember someone posting a story of a guy who was a virgin at like 22 throughout college and someone asked him why and his response was something like, "does getting laid help me make money or help me with my career? No it doesn't." That's not him being an incel it's him putting his priorities where they need to be.
Wouldnt that make him "voluntarily celebate?" I take an incel to be a person who would chose to be with a woman if he could, but cannot for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted By Spartanize⏩
real easy words .. coming from the SEXIEST PERSON ON THE MISC

give us a break
Being good looking does not, and will not, ever substitute for the emotional damage and turmoil that you can inflict upon yourself from believing the only option in life that would lead you to happiness is one that you cannot make occur.
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Originally Posted By billclintonnn⏩
Most people don't even know what an incel actually is. Most of the points in the OP are of a responsible male in certain contexts. I remember someone posting a story of a guy who was a virgin at like 22 throughout college and someone asked him why and his response was something like, "does getting laid help me make money or help me with my career? No it doesn't." That's not him being an incel it's him putting his priorities where they need to be.
incel is mostly geeky/nerdy kids without the social means to meet non ugly girls

you need to be "cool" in order to have a normie social circle, and have the social means to meet cute women
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Wouldnt that make him "voluntarily celebate?" I take an incel to be a person who would chose to be with a woman if he could, but cannot for whatever reason.
Well that's the thing. There is no such thing as an incel. There has to be women who are into them if their personality wasn't so chit. So what you described in the OP are Volcels (think that's what *******s here call them).
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
Being good looking does not, and will not, ever substitute for the emotional damage and turmoil that you can inflict upon yourself from believing the only option in life that would lead you to happiness is one that you cannot make occur.
there are many options to get a wife outside of white upper middle class stacies

it's just that going after upper middle class white stacies is futile, and you need to be at least average looking with social status for them

just be white maxxing .. third world country waifu maxxing, the options are endless for the non deformed incel
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Wouldnt that make him "voluntarily celebate?" I take an incel to be a person who would chose to be with a woman if he could, but cannot for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted By Spartanize⏩
there are many options to get a wife outside of white upper middle class stacies

it's just that going after upper middle class white stacies is futile, and you need to be at least average looking with social status for them

just be white maxxing .. third world country waifu maxxing, the options are endless for the non deformed incel
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
You just can't see it yet because you haven't escaped.
I hope you are right. I'm sticking around to see what being lean is like so that I can say that I've tried it. I'm 11 days fasted right now going into day 12 tonight, trying to stick it out at least 21 days this time.
Originally Posted By Spartanize⏩
real easy words .. coming from the SEXIEST PERSON ON THE MISC

give us a break
**** off. Don't gate keep and think you have a monopoly on difficult experiences.
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Originally Posted By Spartanize⏩
there are many options to get a wife outside of white upper middle class stacies

it's just that going after upper middle class white stacies is futile, and you need to be at least average looking with social status for them

just be white maxxing .. third world country waifu maxxing, the options are endless for the non deformed incel
white guys can always fall back on JBW with asian chicks.
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