[QUOTE=BetaAsPhuck post_id=1603953871]OK Wincel... Can you answer a few questions.


[b]Have you seen the video, where under oath telecommunication companies admit that they haven't funded any independent studies into 5G safety?

Are you aware that in order for 5G to be rolled out, we need to build cell base stations and small towers throughout residential areas?

Do you agree there there needs to be independents studies, and consensus, into 5G technology safety, before it's rolled out across the nation?

Do you have any concerns after Edward Snowden's revelations, about the significantly increased surveillance capability that 5G will give intelligence communities?
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[i]In case readers are unaware, Edward Snowden warns people against using wireless internet at home or on their mobile....[/i]

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[v=KXEe2kqiYIM[/url][/QUOTE]There is no reason for a telecomm company to fund such a study.

Yes we will need more towers due to frequency dependence on attenuation in a medium. Most common materials will not allow 5g through very easily. Thus, it effectively has shorter range.

There should always be independent studies. And they have been done. Our understanding of optics is quite good. It is safe.

This is more a Huawei and wifi issue. Yes this is a concern. The more IOT devices there are, the more spy tools exist for the government. Unfortunately, we passed that phase a long time ago. Almost everyone carries a smartphone at all times. We live in a post privacy world. Always on devices that connect to the internet are now mainstream. It is something we could all opt out of, but we won't.

too much reading in this thread

cliffs please

basically how can i protect myself from 5g, someone posted a vid 19 mins long, too long still. need cliffs

Why do you not think telecom companies need to verify that their technology is safe, before they expose the nation to it?#Are concerned about the health risks of building more base stations and small cell towers in residential ares (e.g. around homes and schools)?You believe there have been enough studies into 5G tech, to declare it safe?

Please post them.Oh, no it's not just a Huawei and Wifi thing. I have no idea why you think that, especially after Edward Snowden's revelations and knowing what capability 5G will give surveillance communities.

In case you don't know, 5G will significantly increase the speed that smart devices will be able to communicate between one another. Which will heavily increase the ability of real-time tracking, across devices.

That's not a conspiracy theory. Companies are literally advertising that 5G will give that capability.

If I described what they are openly advertising in the videos below, I would be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. However, here is it straight from the horse's mouth...


Ad from Samsung...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaVvFBmeYY

Ad from Nokia...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Y6UTpxGgU

They are literally openly advertising the establishment of a technocracy, with a smile.The difference is the degree. You don't seem to think the the significantly increase capability is a concern.

Your reasoning seems to be; It's happened to a degree already, so what does it matter if it increases significantly?

You seem to be completely apathetic. What happened to the Wincel that used to rabidly criticize the military industrial complex? Now you seem to shrug your shoulders as we hand them greater power?

A hat made from aluminum foil will literally protect your brain from the 5g bro.

Spreading the word, and signing the petition to stop the rollout of 5G.

You seem to put monetary values on everything. I guess despite cycling and taking ghey selfies in your tiny bathroom, you still get ridiculed.
Have fun on your scaffold pole. You know you've made it when you can do manual labour for average pay.

Why the fuk is it retards always go nuts everytime a new standard is released? Why is the nutters when new wireless standards are released? Home wireless emits far stronger energy than cell towers.

You are right about the privacy issues. That is a valid concern. I am just saying 5g isn't dangerous from a health perspective.

Basically, we can't win. It's over. The government has already put listening devices in everyone's home. We live in a post privacy world. I'd honestly rather have faster internet features at this point. We lost privacy a long time ago. They can already track you in real time. What difference does it make?

It would take too long to post a list of studies. But you can look up the effects of 5g band EM radiation on human tissue and other materials. You can see the many studies and 200 year old theory establishing it is not ionizing radiation. You can look at and compute the expected heating of biological tissue. You can see it is a total nonissue.

And even if it were an issue and you were afraid of harm, you could literally line your house and clothes with aluminum foil and completely defeat their evil plan.

You didn't answer the question, regarding base stations and small cell towers in residential areas. Nor have you responded to where I requested the studies.Don't give in to apathy. You are one of the most rabid critics of the military industrial complex, so I can't believe you are just laying down.

Wincel... Get up off you phuckin knees, bruv!

Fight!

If you don't care about what 5G tech will enable them to do to you, your family, or the citizens of the nation. Think about what it will help them to do in foreign countries (the US tends to be the worst to non-citizens, I hope you agree).Not to the degree that 5G will give them, did you watch the advertisments?

Nowadays every tracking device requires an operator. To track using phones, CCTV, etc, requires a group of people. 5G can automate the process (it already happens in China... SRS, facial recognition has found people automatically.)

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If you guys aren't concerned about the potential health risks, are you concerned about the power that it will give governments and corporations?

Hopefully you guys known who Edward Snowden is, and are aware of the documents and insider knowledge that he revealed, which showed that Western intelligence agencies aren't simply spying on suspected terrorists.

If you aren't aware, then please go and do some research into the documents that Edward Snowden revealed... Including governments engaging in subversion on internet forums... 100% ded srs... That's not a conspiracy theory.

If you think I'm bullchitting...

https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/


Companies are openly advertising, and gloating, about the surveillance capabilities that 5G tech will give...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaVvFBmeYY



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Y6UTpxGgU

If I only described what you saw in the videos above, you would likely just dismiss me as a kook conspiracy theorist, but that is companies themselves boasting about the surveillance capabilities that 5G will give.

Through 5G, surveillance can beautomated, and smart devices can be connected to work as one system in real time. That gives the government and corporations significant capabilities of tracking and manipulating people (e.g. advertising and political subversion) in real-time.

If they want to stop protests, all they will need to do is track people who plan on attending in real-time, and stop them before they converge at the meeting point. Stopping the protest before it even begins.



Regarding automated surveillance, China is the canary in the coal mine...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH2gMNrUuEY


Facial recognition software has already began it's rollout around the world, so it's not just in China...

"From East to West, facial recognition technology is increasingly being used. In the United States, companies such as Delta Airlines use it for passenger check-in. Airports are planning to use the technology; officials at Miami International plan to have face recognition for all international flights by 2021. Apple has it on its iPhones, while in Portland, Oregon, it's used to unlock the doors for customers at another store.

Abroad, facial recognition technology is employed in countries such as China, Singapore, the United Arab Emirates and Japan. By 2022, the global market for the technology is forecast to reach $7 billion."


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...ion-technology




Whilst China forces it on people, it seems like in the West people choose to feed the growing technocracy, out of convenience...


How many people do you know willing use facial and fingerprint recognition on their phones?

How many many people use voice recognition on phone banking, Alexa and Google Home?

How many of those people do you think are going to object to total surveillance state, if it makes their lives more convenient?


So I'll ask you all, is it simply a crazy conspiracy theory, to be concerned about the erosion of civil liberties that 5G can give governments?

RealCucksthetic rightfully banned. Dude has a screw loose, which makes him a suitable personality to fit 5g towers. Bet he's crying in his high viz now and lurking, fkin lol. Thanks to the mods for taking action.

Back on topic, OP your vid raises questions which have not yet been answered to a satisfying enough degree IMO.
I mean, would you drink tap water if a lot of scientists say its fine, but a lot of other scientists saying it is potentially very harmful. You wouldnt risk it.

I work as a radio frequency engineer. I look at high power RF emissions from military and commercial equipment on a spectrum analyzer. I analyze those signals for hazards to ordnance and personnel. I've never encountered a 5G tower, but I can tell you that cell equipment is thought of as a joke in our business. It's exponentially weaker than the stuff the military is putting out.

I've seen cell tower amplifiers operating up to 200 watts. They typically operate under 100W. AN/SPY-1 used on many Navy ships operates in the Megawatt range (that is in the millions of watts). This thing will fry your phone in a heartbeat if you step out far enough on deck. Same with the AN/SPG-62 which is a narrow beamwidth fire control radar. I have put my hand in the beamwidth while over 100 ft away from the antenna and it felt like my hand was in an oven. Transmitter output power is certainly not the only factor, but it's an easy way to determine baseline risk. HF and low VHF (2 - 300 MHz) are the most dangerous frequencies to humans in the radio spectrum. They penetrate the body most easily. 5G has a wide frequency range but I think it could be as low as 700 MHz but should mostly be above 2 GHz. I think they're rolling out the 2nd range which is up in the 24 GHz range.

According to the "research", the only risk of non-ionizing radiation is due to body heating. Even though I give briefs where I reassure people that this is the only danger, I'm not sure if I really believe it. There's a lot of radar technicians that I come across that expose themselves to high levels of RF emissions over time. I always ask them if they have kids and if they had girls. For whatever reason, there's a running joke that if you work in such an environment, you are much more likely to have girls. In my experience it holds true up to an uncomfortable level. I do think RF exposure messes with reproductive health in some way (infertility or girls). However, I don't think there's any basis that it's causing cancer or fuking up your mental health. Certainly not cell equipment.

Cliffs:
Unless you're sleeping on top of a cell tower, I think you're fine exposing yourself to any amount of cell tower radiation.

You are just a conspiracy theorist.

The government and business have literally NEVER lied, or put profits before the health of the citizens. I bet you can't even find a single example.

The government and business care about my health and well being!!

If anything contradicts them telling me that it is simply a coincidence.

I am a coincidence theorist, not a conspiracy theorist. I only blindly believe one side!

Anyone who has concerns about the loss of privacy we are about to go through as a result of 5G is a conspiracy theorist. I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE, which means if people want to know my body weight, every movement, my response to media stimulus, where I go, how long I bang my girlfriend for etc then big business and our government have a right to know.

Privacy is dangerous, can you imagine your cattle running around in a field and not knowing what they are doing? Well we are business and the government's cattle so we should be chipped, tagged, track and used as much as possible.

This is actually a good counter post unlike the others but i am pretty sure the range is around 60ghz.

I don’t stand on either side of the 5g argument because I don’t know enough about it. That said people are just scared of new things, can you imagine the meltdown some of you *******s would’ve had over the invention of electricity?

CLIFFS:

5G radio signals are the exact same frequency band that microwaves are. putting 5G transmitters up all over town is the equivalent of standing in a microwave.

govt knows but they are paid to look the other way




what happens when you stand in the sun for too long? youl eventually get skin cancer. this happens because photons (sunlight) get absorbed by the cells in your body and they damage them. 5G is higher energy photons. higher energy photons means more ability to break down the cells in your body.

Can anyone cliff on what happened to Aesthetic5Gbruh?

But who was Inverse-square law?

Intensity matters here, not just frequency.

OHHHHH, I missed that part. Oh fuk, I guess that means independent journalists are correct and all that "proof" you posted is ironclad. My humble apologies for my ignorance.

intensity refers to number of photons/second, the energy of each individual photons remains the same. standing very far away from a radio transmitter means a smaller number of photons are hitting you. But wireless companies want to put 5G transmitters up all over the place, practically on every light pole.

high energy + high intensity is not good



heres another way of looking at it, the photoelectric effect. keep in mind this is a simplification of something that is very complicated, that being wave particle duality of photons...



electromagnetic energy come in and is absorbed by a material, in this picture a block of metal. the molecules in that metal absorb the electromagnetic energy and it breaks electrons free, causing them to disperse out of the material.

but think about it, what would it mean if this happened to your body? chemistry is the result of the sharing of valance electrons, so breaking those valance electrons free would fuk up the chemistry. it is essentially breaking you on a molecular level.

Are you brahs hiring BTW? I have a masters in EE + RF design experience and can get a clearance.

Once the opponent starts to get personal, all bets are off so I won. You on the other hand got personal with OP first, without offering any valid rebuttal, thus you lost painfully.
Nor was I salty, I was merely illustrating how mentally unstable he is. Telling people toKILL THEMSELVESis against forum rules

Edit: just realised you're 40 lmao. All this time I assumed you were 18, 20 at max. Imagine acting how you do at 40 years of age. Welcome to the ignore list oldcel lmao.

Anyone who watches that Samsung video on smart cities, and think this is the reason we should all live beside cell phone towers instead of just having them every few square km's is insane. The future will be getting caught J walking by camera with facial recognition at like 1 a.m. and having credits auto deducted from your account. Feelsbadman.

Perhaps then you will be put on a gov't J walking list, or have some social credit score deducted. How anyone can say this is a future worth moving towards is beyond me. It's anti human. Srs.

Has anyone debunked this yet:

https://mdsafetech.org/2019/09/28/fi...w-cell-towers/

Pretty cool ads. Been waiting for this tech for a while. Cant wait.

Lol at virgins itt crying about their privacy and coronavirus and their health comparing targeted high energy radiation to 5g signals. Not even understanding the relationship between energy and frequency yet spending hours trying to discredit something they obviously know nothing about. Definition of a conspiritard.

Just. ****ing. lol.

All the more reason I'll take the benefits of tech over some basement dweller terrified of the outside world talking about "but the gubment master plan bad coming to get us" . No one gives af about your measly $70k/ yr income or your gay misc postings. It's actually laughable how you think you're the center of the universe.

Not to mention acting like the government needs a "trojan horse" to control your life and it's all a secret program to monitor your misc posts. Dude the government runs your life period. Always has and always will. They dont need to hide it youre apparently just too stupid to have noticed. Dont pay taxes one year and see what happens. Choose not to wait at a red light and then dont show up in court and see what happens. Same story in every country across the world and for all of history. Grow the fuk up get with the program or get fuked.

Yeah you were indoctrinated to believe you are free and unique and blah blah blah. But real life turned out not to be a Disney movie and you didnt adapt.. So here you are wasting time ranting about some nonsense because you failed to play the game and are now trying to COPE.

Sorry for the longish post. It would be one thing if you guys lived in like Kazakhstan and were this stupid, but you live in a country with incredible opportunity and instead you waste your time on counter productive **** like this. Meanwhile people in china sending quantum satellites to space making you look that much dumber.

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Bruh the Chinese have already infiltrated the NSA. All this will lead to is QOL improvements. For example, you go to a restaurant and it automatically knows your favorite dish. You come home and it reminds you what chores need to be done. You get a reminder when you have an appointment. If your schedule dramatically changes because you were injured or something, hospitals can come help you. If your child is kidnapped, they will be found, etc. There are benefits as well as risks. I think we have all the risks already. I don't think the added data speed poses much of an issue. There's already plenty of bandwidth to do voip AND record video. It doesn't make much of a difference. People are switching more and more to "smart" everything. Smart TV, smart fridge, smart toilet. Tour's over man. Any of these things can and will be hacked and controlled by the govt. There is no getting around that. They have smart cars now that can be tracked by the government. Plus, look on the bright side. There's a very real possibility here of substantially ELIMINATING CRIME. Drug dealing and child kidnapping would go down. Terrorism risks would decline considerably. You could even use the system to prevent suicides and murders. Since we already sacrificed the privacy, my thinking is we might as well reap the benefits. Imagine less police brutality because now everything is recorded. Fewer innocents going to jail because now we have video evidence.

As far as health risks, I do not believe there are any significant health risks to the 5g tech itself, and the science does back that up. I do agree with your desire to be cautious about privacy, but wifi and existing IOT devices already murdered that a LONG time ago. This pandemic is also a wake up call. The next time we get one, we will need a comprehensive contact tracking system. This is, by definition, a massive violation of privacy and liberty. In a world with this many people and this much potential for widespread disease, liberty is now a luxury and not something that we can really live with imo. I have changed my views. Imagine a system that cuts down on slooting, crime, the spread of disease, prostitution, terrorism, etc. Is it really that bad? I used to hate the idea of the government tracking people. But now, I'm starting to think it's inevitable. And not only that, if done responsibly, we can use this machine to substantially improve the quality of life for citizens.

Is it ideal? No. But we live in a world where people signed away their freedom for convenience, and it is now socially expected to have this convenience. I resisted buying a smartphone for years and eventually caved. The government is going to know what hentai I fap to. Wow.

to be honest dude im impressed because you obviously know your physics.

the question is though, what would allow 5G, or any wireless device to actually become dangerous? high intensity. its my understanding that for 5G to work, so they say it would require transmitters to be put up very close to one another, I believe a couple hundred feet or less. and what amplitude signal are they giving out?

i state these as questions because i dont know the details of 5G signal transmission, but do you see the potential for danger under the right circumstances?


and another thought here is that even if you arent achieving ionization, youre still undergoing radiation heat transfer, which as you know can be understood as bound electrons absorbing radiation energy and elevating to higher quantum states. if chemistry is governed by the sharing of electrons, and youve interfered with those electrons states youre effectively changing the chemical interactions.