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post 1604695101 05-11-2020, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Oddball8945⏩
guilty of what, self defense?
If you cant defend yourself from 2 armed guys, who set up a road block. Who can you defend yourself against?
post 1604696321 05-11-2020, 05:07 PM
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The only set of facts I've heard is that they saw someone who fit the description of a prior crime running past their house, not that they actually witnessed anything to do with what happened in the house. I don't have an opinion on Arbery as a person, but the first call came at 1:08 and discussed the house, and that the second 911 call known to be from McMichael came at 1:14 from someone who definitely does not sound like the same man. The calls are here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEOBDlg9rp8

Tatum claims that McMichael saw him in the house, but I haven't seen anyone claiming the first caller is one of the McMichaels. It's certainly possible, but I think Tatum might have mixed up the two calls in good faith. As far as I know, the identity of the first caller given on the call hasn't been released, and that person explicitly says he does not believe it is a break-in. The 911 dispatcher seems confused about why this is even a 911 matter. Everything I've seen indicates that they thought he fit a description, not that they had witnessed a crime.

If they did witness him inside the house, it's still stupid games/stupid prizes. The process of getting this vague situation put in front of a jury and having to explain your actions is the prize. Bored, heavyset suburbanites need to stop pretending they're cops if they don't want to deal with weird chit like this. Nobody who has anything at all worthwhile going on in their life would think this was a good idea, specifically because common sense tells you you're probably either going to need a lawyer or an ambulance after.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Same boat op, I took it at face value he was jogging. I also took at face value he was seen coming out of a construction site. The fact it was a closed finished home that was broken into which makes it a felony, and the fact he is on camera strolling around, looking around to make sure no one was watching him then sprinting into the house to rummage around automatically makes you a criminal.

I was presented with facts being he was just seen walking out of a construction site. Also the fact billy bob and son saw him commit said felony was not mentioned. Now I haven’t seen evidence of this either because I didn’t do my research still but if I take those facts at face value it changes the situation dramatically.

I still think you are a fukking moron to try and make a citizens arrest instead of following and letting the police do it, but I can understand why arbery was confronted, play stupid games win stupid prizes. That saying will be applied to billy bob if he is charged with manslaughter cuz I don’t know what else to say about forcing that confrontation, but I can see how it’s self defense at that point for them.
Originally Posted By Frank
Georgia law is fuking crazy. BRB citizen arrest anyone you want and draw a firearm on them.

What if someone tries to reverse the citizens arrest, and arrest the person attempting the citizens arrest?
Incorrect the law says you need to see them commit a felony.
post 1604696751 05-11-2020, 05:13 PM
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I hate mixed race crimes. People will always cloud facts with bias. It’s natural.

I think those 2 guys should get jail time, but to me the WHOLE thing was avoidable.
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Originally Posted By drizzt45⏩
If the suspects were black no one would care that the guy was shot. Suddenly when a white guy does it, the life of the guy who was killed suddenly matters. His life should matter regards of who did it. Otherwise it just stirs the racism pot.
If the suspects were black they'd be in jail and the police wouldn't have been complicit in a cover up you ****ing moron
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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
I hate mixed race crimes. People will always cloud facts with bias. It’s natural.

I think those 2 guys should get jail time, but to me the WHOLE thing was avoidable.
I'm not even asking for that much.

Just that they get arrested and have to post bail

What kind of world do people get to kill someone unarmed and just walk free lmao
Originally Posted By rikugunchusa⏩
If the suspects were black they'd be in jail and the police wouldn't have been complicit in a cover up you ****ing moron
this
post 1604697541 05-11-2020, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted By TinderGame2⏩
I'm not even asking for that much.

Just that they get arrested and have to post bail

What kind of world do people get to kill someone unarmed and just walk free lmao



this
I agree with you. It’s horrible it took the internet pushing things forward
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post 1604697641 05-11-2020, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted By sg1976⏩
Because they are two white guys from Georgia
Lol at this old, fat cuck.
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Because us vs. them rustles jimmies and makes the media $$$$.
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post 1604697861 05-11-2020, 05:27 PM
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Imagine thinking facts matter to the MSM
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Originally Posted By Misctify⏩
Lol at this old, fat cuck.
Who, Cletus Sr.?



We can definitely infer from this mugshot that the shooter, "Living At Home At 34" Jr., wasn't the mastermind here.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Tatum is a white boot licker and a cop statist boot licker

He isn’t a man

He is a coward disguised as a brand

I bet he likes country music
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I still believe they committed murder/did not have probable cause to chase down Arbery like that for the reasons I've argued before:

1) The daytime surveillance tape was confirmed to be Arbery, but he was not committing burglary. Mr. Tatumwasa police offer, not a prosecutor, so don't take his word as gospel.

2) The night time surveillance has not been confirmed to be Arbery, but if it does, I will definitely change my position on whether or not he was just jogging. But even then, I still believe it was simple trespassing, not burglary. The prosecutors have also looked at all the surveillance footage and still found probable cause to charge them with murder.

But the fact that the DOJ is considering pressing hate crime charges against them is insane. You can have racial biases and not be some Klan hood wearing neo nazi.

inb4 I'm negged, called out, etc. Idgaf. I've said my piece in the R&P threads. Now we wait for trial.
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post 1604698321 05-11-2020, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Who, Cletus, Sr.?



We can definitely infer from this mugshot that the shooter, "Living At Home At 34" Jr., wasn't the mastermind here.
****, trim up his beard a bit and almost looks like the guy I quoted.
Originally Posted By HomeGym4TheWin⏩
Found the racist.
Explain how I'm racist, I'll wait.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Cliffs of video?
It appears that black brah was probably in the wrong, at least at minimum trespassing

POTENTIAL for citizens arrest, but really no clear evidence of a felony

dude def wasn't jogging though lol
Originally Posted By Frank
Georgia law is fuking crazy. BRB citizen arrest anyone you want and draw a firearm on them.

What if someone tries to reverse the citizens arrest, and arrest the person attempting the citizens arrest?
That isn't Georgia law. California law is almost exactly the same.

Basically has to be a felony and reasonable force. The firearms remove reason-ability of force with no violence being committed in his "crimes."
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Originally Posted By irollurmom⏩
But the fact that the DOJ is considering pressing hate crime charges against them is insane. You can have racial biases and not be some Klan hood wearing neo nazi.
What happened here was probably a professional courtesy fukk up as much as, or more than, a race fukk up.

Old guy thought he could take his son out to play cops-and-robbers because he was a retired investigator and local would turn a blind eye when it went south. Old guy thought correct.

Real cops have qualified immunity. Civilians don't. In any situation where regular people take chit like this out onto the public roads, they're going to end up in front of a jury. So should he. If the facts exonerate him, so be it. No need to turn it into a hate crime thing, it's sketchy enough as-is.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
What happened here was probably a professional courtesy fukk up as much as, or more than, a race fukk up.

Old guy thought he could take his son out to play cops-and-robbers because he was a retired investigator and local would turn a blind eye when it went south. Old guy thought correct.

Real cops have qualified immunity. Civilians don't. In any situation where regular people take chit like this out onto the public roads, they're going to end up in front of a jury. So should he. If the facts exonerate him, so be it.
100%.

The language in Citizen's Arrest laws can get sticky, which was how I got into back-and-forth matches with some miscers. My stance was that, since Arbery had not committed a felony, they had no right to chase after him like that. And even then, simple burglary, especially in a new construction should not warrant two gun-toting civilians to chase down a man because an ex-cop thinks he still enjoys the same rights as when he was in uniform.

I know miscers will reply with my location, but being an outsider and also your closest neighbour, I think my opinions are valid. Again, I'm not saying they're white supremacists or whatever the MSM narrative is, but it's hard to deny that a Georgia police officer wouldn't have some sort of bias, especially after being on the job for over 30 years.
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Hmm. But i thought there was no evidence of him being in someone’s house that day. There goes that narrative. There goes the jogging narrative was well.
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Originally Posted By WishIWasJawBrah⏩
The two suspects deserve to go to jail regardless.

They aren't cops and had no right to kill the guy.
someone punches me and grabs at my gun

my reaction according to WishIWasJawBrah on the misc

here sir im sorry, its not my place to arrest you take my gun and continue to hit me and possible shoot me young chap
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
someone punches me and grabs at my gun

my reaction according to WishIWasJawBrah on the misc

here sir im sorry, its not my place to arrest you take my gun and continue to hit me and possible shoot me young chap
someone's holding a gun to you, so does that automatically mean your right to self-defense disappears?
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Hmm. But i thought there was no evidence of him being in someone’s house that day. There goes that narrative. There goes the jogging narrative was well.
No one had said that. Everyone had maintained that he was in a construction site for less then 4 min (max) and then went on his way. Homeowner came out and said he didn't take anything, cameras as well. The law for citizens arrest is very specific, and the 2 McMichaels and what they did, DO NOT fall under that circumstances IMO

They will be charged with Aggravated Assault, the murder charge.... that depends on how the lawyers try and spin their defense. (I'm very curious the route they will go)

Also the DOJ is investigating the way the case was handled (rightfully).
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
someone punches me and grabs at my gun

my reaction according to WishIWasJawBrah on the misc

here sir im sorry,its not my place to arrest youtake my gun and continue to hit me and possible shoot me young chap
It wasn't their place to citizens arrest him. If they had followed the man running and continued giving updates to the cops then they would never be charged with Aggravated Assault and Murder
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Originally Posted By Krunok⏩
If the two suspects were black, Georgia law would still agree.
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Yeah same, I'll admit i was on the other end of the argument because everything at the time pointed towards it being a murder

Lesson learned never jump to conclusions

And fuk the media, 2020 media is seriously disgusting and we need some kinda changes to stop all these fake news narrative pushing chit
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
It wasn't their place to citizens arrest him. If they had followed the man running and continued giving updates to the cops then they would never be charged with Aggravated Assault and Murder
It is according to the law as stated in the video in the OP. If the dude in the video is wrong then someone please correct me
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Originally Posted By disphugginflip⏩
Arbery was no Saint, but you cant make a citizens arrest unless theyre in the act, the McMichales are guilty.
Every state has different laws regarding this. I don't know what Georgia's laws are, but in California in order to make a citizens arrest you have to either witness a misdemeanor, or you have to have probable cause that a felony was committed.
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No matter what the story is, if the media is really pushing it then that is a pretty good sign its bs.

Rarely will you see a story that they are really pushing that turns out to be true just the way they are telling it.

Hell, I saw a story the other day that a surfer got bit by a shark and right away I didnt believe it. Thats how bad it is anymore.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Who, Cletus Sr.?



We can definitely infer from this mugshot that the shooter, "Living At Home At 34" Jr., wasn't the mastermind here.
what are their misc usernames
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Most cringy part about this case is LeBrons tweet claiming blacks are hunted every day in America lmao
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