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Thread: Opinion completely changed on Ahmaud arbery case

post 1604701331 05-11-2020, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted By WishIWasJawBrah⏩
The two suspects deserve to go to jail regardless.

They aren't cops and had no right to kill the guy.
Have to agree with this. There were no innocent men in this scenario.
Originally Posted By A-GAME⏩
I'm no lawyer, but after gathering a few basic facts and googling Georgia laws relevant to this case, I formed the same conclusion.But I'm not an American (nor am I an emotional *******) so it's easy for me to form an objective opinion. Some of you guys can't see how biased you are. It's really very strange. As more facts come out, I'll be happy to admit it if I'm wrong, but for now I agree with Tatum.
This is becoming more and more obvious to me. It was startling when the tiny (deliberately edited) part of the story came out and every American had already chosen a side despite having very little information.

And you'd think that by now they'd know better than to still be eating up every bit of race bait the media/liberal colleges feed them but apparently not.
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Originally Posted By Vrykul⏩
It is according to the law as stated in the video in the OP. If the dude in the video is wrong then someone please correct me
The language for Georgia's laws is sticky. I've been back-and-forth with various miscers about it and I can definitely see their side. However, in Georgia, afelonymust be witnessed by someone or someone within their vicinity. Now, the argument can be made that the McMichaels actually witnessed it via their neighbor. However, to prove that he was there to burglarize an open construction, you'd have to prove intent.

There was another piece of footage that showed a person who matched Arbery's description who entered the same property in the night (the date isn't specified, although we're meant to believe it was some weeks prior) and nothing was taken. So to prove intent, the defense has to prove that the secondary footage WAS Mr. Arbery without a doubt in order to make a case for a lesser charge. And even then, it's a very weak line of defense because the owner of that home has gone on record to state that they've never had anything stolen on their property.

And again, Mr. Tatumwasa police officer, not a prosecutor. Take his words with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
Most cringy part about this case is LeBrons tweet claiming blacks are hunted every day in America lmao
Man this is insane. I've just finished watching Ngannou's interview with Helwani and he was wearing a #JusticeForAhmaud t-shirt and saying that this chit's happening all the time in America. Smh.

Starts @ 26:00




I can't stand the fukkin race-baiting media showing edited footage and blowing this thing up. This chit's also front-page news on bbc.com
post 1604701751 05-11-2020, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted By PaulMcBomber⏩
Who cares? Media is blowing it up so they can continue to do what they do best, mass panic and fear. Stop watching the news.
No, they are blowing it up because Obama is now clearly involved in the how Mike Flynn was framed...the media wants NOTHING to do with that.
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Originally Posted By LooksMaximus⏩
Man this is insane. I've just finished watching Ngannou's interview with Helwani and he was wearing a #JusticeForAhmaud t-shirt and saying that this chit's happening all the time in America. Smh.

Starts @ 26:00




I can't stand the fukkin race-baiting media showing edited footage and blowing this thing up. This chit's also front-page news on bbc.com
Espn probably gave him that shirt to wear lol. Sickens me that people like Shaun King is praises for being a hero for starting a go fund me for this guy, and will block and ignore anyone who comes at him with the actual facts
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Almost 250 years after its creation and here are the USA still struggling with issues of yore.

I don't see the appeal of living and having a family in a such a divided and traumatized society : Things are only going to get worse.
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Everyone involved is culpable.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
Espn probably gave him that shirt to wear lol.Sickens me that people like Shaun King is praises for being a hero for starting a go fund me for this guy, and will block and ignore anyone who comes at him with the actual facts
Probably. Ariel hand-rubbing-intensifies Helwani made a point of asking him about it towards the end of the interview. Honestly didn't even notice it until that point.
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i just want the authorities to play it straight up. thats all i care about.

im hearing that those in charge now are straight shooters so that helps
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Originally Posted By Vrykul⏩
It is according to the law as stated in the video in the OP. If the dude in the video is wrong then someone please correct me
He is mistaken about the 911 calls. He claims McMichael called 911 claiming he saw him running out of the house.

The identity of that caller hasn't been made public, and he told the police he didn't consider it a break-in. The second caller was McMichael, who apparently later told police he pursued Arbery because he "fit a description", not because he saw him commit a crime.
Originally Posted By Trapstar4.4⏩
i just want the authorities to play it straight up. thats all i care about.

im hearing that those in charge now are straight shooters so that helps
This. The locals were playing around because he was a buddy. I know it feels that way, but race is a secondary issue to corruption here.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Idiot rednecks shouldn't have been playing cops. Even if the guy did rob them, he was not a threat when they went after him. That ain't self defense
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The truth keeps forcing its way through.

Liberal racists in the media, and on the misc, will continue in moving the goalpost and engaging in world class mental gymnastics.

Trayvon all over again. So facts become meaningless to liberal racists and the false narrative and the leftist agenda continue unabated.
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Watched the video. Unlikely to get convicted when the guy went for the gun. In that moment, he has a reasonable belief that his life may be in danger so he can use lethal force to defend himself. You're allowed to make a citizen's arrest if a felony has been committed. It sounds like a ****ty situation that went really bad when the guy went for the gun. I could see why he would go for the gun, but I can see how the accused could fear for his life at that point. The fact that he brought the gun out is not relevant if the video is true about the open carry laws. The video doesnt show him pointing it at him (at least I didnt see).
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Originally Posted By enzo818⏩
Watched the video. Unlikely to get convicted when the guy went for the gun. In that moment, he has a reasonable belief that his life may be in danger so he can use lethal force to defend himself. You're allowed to make a citizen's arrest if a felony has been committed. It sounds like a ****ty situation that went really bad when the guy went for the gun. I could see why he would go for the gun, but I can see how the accused could fear for his life at that point. The fact that he brought the gun out is not relevant if the video is true about the open carry laws. The video doesnt show him pointing it at him (at least I didnt see).
If that's all that happened then sure, but it's not. They had been following ahmaud for a while at low speed then stopped in front of him and got out. They did not have first hand knowledge of whether or not it was him, only his description. If you provoke, then you lose your right to self defense in GA.

Like I said, everyone is guilty.
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I'm proud of that guy that made the video, it's was very good.

I still don't think using lethal force is okay in a public place when no direct action was taken against anybody by the suspect. The guys brought guns to a discussion and triggered the whole thing.

However, there's enough where I now see it as a pretty mild crime.
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Originally Posted By disphugginflip⏩
Arbery was no Saint, but you cant make a citizens arrest unless theyre in the act, the McMichales are guilty.
You surveyed the on scene evidence? Spoke to any and all witnesses? Interviewed the suspects? Reviewed the medical examiners report from the autopsy? Reviewed any and all video of the incident? Were briefed by a Judge on Georgia law and what's applicable to the case and what isn't?



If you answered no to any of those where did you get off making legal determinations on a criminal case?
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Originally Posted By enzo818⏩
Watched the video. Unlikely to get convicted when the guy went for the gun. In that moment, he has a reasonable belief that his life may be in danger so he can use lethal force to defend himself. You're allowed to make a citizen's arrest if a felony has been committed. It sounds like a ****ty situation that went really bad when the guy went for the gun. I could see why he would go for the gun, but I can see how the accused could fear for his life at that point. The fact that he brought the gun out is not relevant if the video is true about the open carry laws. The video doesnt show him pointing it at him (at least I didnt see).
I know there's open carry laws, but can you point it at someone?

What its that?

Say I had a rifle and walked down the street pointing at people, is that legal?

I believe the black guy was snooping around and was likely a mild and future threat to the area, but the response was very dramatic, and them coming after him with guns is okay, but it pointing them at someone okay?

What type of response would that get from people?

They would run, freeze, attack.

Run and attack would then give the person brandishing, not carrying, a gun the excuse to kill.

There's got to be some laws about that.
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Originally Posted By sg1976⏩
Because they are two white guys from Georgia
Lol if you really believe all the BS about the law being softer on white people. Cops/DAs/Lawyers/Judges are all aware of the oppression meme and treat black suspects with kid gloves compared to white ones. Black criminals are let back out and white criminals are prosecuted as hard as possible in order to not seem racist.

You can say you somehow don't notice this, but that just shows how infected you are with the leftism mindvirus.
Originally Posted By mp83⏩
Idiot rednecks shouldn't have been playing cops. Even if the guy did rob them, he was not a threat when they went after him. That ain't self defense
We're at the point in society where people believe you shouldn't shoot people that are stealing from you. Unbelievable.
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Originally Posted By nickh04⏩
But they used a picture of him in a tuxedo on CNN so that must mean he's a good boy and dindu nuffin right?
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
We're at the point in society where people believe you shouldn't shoot people that are stealing from you. Unbelievable.
oh damn, I missed the part where they actually found anything stolen on him
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I know there's open carry laws, but can you point it at someone?

What its that?

Say I had a rifle and walked down the street pointing at people, is that legal?
Show us where they are point the gun at him other than when he's grabbing the dad's gun.
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Originally Posted By Misctify⏩
Show us where they are point the gun at him other than when he's grabbing the dad's gun.
Where I grew up there was a lot of hunting, so you were allowed to have a gun over your shoulder, like on a strap in public. That is where I'm getting that from. Soldiers will carry guns barrel up, because if it fired it's going into the air. You were allowed to have a pistol but it had to be in a holster, you couldn't walk around in public talking with your hands while holding a pistol, lol.

In this case, I doubt they arrived with guns held in some legal safety position.

So, I'm curious about how that factors in legally.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Where I grew up there was a lot of hunting, so you were allowed to have a gun over your shoulder, like on a strap in public. That is where I'm getting that from. Soldiers will carry guns barrel up, because if it fired it's going into the air. You were allowed to have a pistol but it had to be in a holster, you couldn't walk around in public talking with your hands while holding a pistol, lol.

In this case, I doubt they arrived with guns held in some legal safety position.

So, I'm curious about how that factors in legally.
Low carry is legal. There's about 50 pages of argument over this in the r&p section. It's probably worth reading the whole thing before going down all these discussions again.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
Low carry is legal. There's about 50 pages of argument over this in the r&p section. It's probably worth reading the whole thing before going down all these discussions again.
I never look there but, it's rational of you to conclude I would read the same things you do, lol.
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Originally Posted By irollurmom⏩
oh damn, I missed the part where they actually found anything stolen on him
Can't find out if perp has stolen property until you stop and apprehend. I don't know about you but if I see an intruder illegally entering my neighbor's house I'm automatically assuming they're up to no good and attempting to steal chit. But I'd rather tail the perp and wait for the cops, fukc all this superhero chit.
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Originally Posted By homersexual⏩
Can't find out if perp has stolen property until you stop and apprehend. I don't know about you but if I see an intruder illegally entering my neighbor's house I'm automatically assuming they're up to no good and attempting to steal chit. But I'd rather tail the perp and wait for the cops, fukc all this superhero chit.
If he's wearing shorts and a t-shirt and walking, where is the stolen merch?
Originally Posted By Misctify⏩
Show us where they are point the gun at him other than when he's grabbing the dad's gun.
Bro. If you approach me with a gun giving me a command, the gun is being used as a lethal force threatening tool to coerce me. Don't be silly.

Even the man who killed him would admit the firearm was brought to coerce and persuade.
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If you guys havent realized that the media owned by the 1% is used to create racial division in order to turn us on one another instead of ganging up on them then I've got some bad news for you.

You're a phucking brainlet.
The media is 100% milking the fuk outta the race issue, but your words will fall on deaf ears.

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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
Lol if you really believe all the BS about the law being softer on white people. Cops/DAs/Lawyers/Judges are all aware of the oppression meme and treat black suspects with kid gloves compared to white ones. Black criminals are let back out and white criminals are prosecuted as hard as possible in order to not seem racist.

You can say you somehow don't notice this, but that just shows how infected you are with the leftism mindvirus.



We're at the point in society where people believe you shouldn't shoot people that are stealing from you. Unbelievable.
Hate to burst your imaginary bubble but I’ve been in court a few times for minor charges, dressed up nice, played my nice little white boy card and I got of with slaps on the wrist while everyone else in for the same chit (minor possession) got the book thrown at them.

Cops also let me drive home after telling them I had a beer at work on top of the stuff they found on me. They said I was one of the coolest/interesting people they had talked to and most of the people they interacted with had nothing going on for them.

Might have just been me being a suck up and knowing what to say, but the Mexicans and homies got some fukt punishments while I got off ez.
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