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post 1605337781 05-19-2020, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
You...didn't understand the link...did you?

"Note: Provisional death counts are based on death certificate data received and coded by the National Center for Health Statistics as of May 19, 2020. Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available."

And yet that very source shows weeks with 30% more deaths than expected

Look at the numbers. Several of those weeks,the increase in total deaths, over expected, exceeds the so-far reported covid numbers.

That link literally indicates covid deaths are under reported
I am comparing the number given by the CDC to media sources and World health organization which reports 89,272 total deaths due to covid19 on may 19. The number is much smaller if you compare the two
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
What are you even talking about?The fuk?
I got banned from neggeging u with a comment, either u snitched or mods read negs?
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Originally Posted By Pandaz619⏩
I am comparing the number given by the CDC to media sources and World health organization which reports 89,272 total deaths due to covid19 on may 19. The number is much smaller if you compare the two
Those aren't supposed to be the same numbers. Probably the current covid deaths are under reported (and, BTW, 'flu deaths' are greatly over estimated)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...tPeo1zXojlvcxo

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...ociated-Deaths
Originally Posted By havoc00⏩
I got banned from neggeging u with a comment, either u snitched or mods read negs?
I don't recall reporting any neg comments.

But if you're in the habit of leaving comments like that maybe you should reevaluate your ability to form cogent arguments that stand on their own merits instead of whatever it is you do instead?
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We need to open everything back up and get it over with in one big wave. Maybe when thousands of unhealthy people die those that survive will realize that being fat and smoking is bad.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
That's not how it works.

lol at you not knowing a god damn thing lol

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

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https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...-data-we-have/
did you read those articles?

Decreased detection just means there are fewer particles.

If you drop 50 footballs on a football field at once from the 50 yard line, guess what, theres going to be a strong concentration of footballs at the 50 yard line, and almost none once you reach the 40 and 30 yard line.

But take someone slowly walking around the football field placing footballs eveyrwhere they walk, theres going to be footballs all over the damn thing, just not as many in one spot.


I would rather be in a Grocery store where 2 people cough in 2 different spots then those 2 people coughing and slowly dropping droplets all over everywhere they walk in the store. My odds of crossing those 2 spots are less than crossing somewhere else they walked with "less concentration" even though its less risk of inhaling the particles in those locations.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
did you read those articles?

Decreased detection just means there are fewer particles.
Did you read them?

We detected coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols in 3 of 10 (30%) and 4 of 10 (40%) of the samples collected without face masks, respectively, but did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols collected from participants wearing face masks



Also, viral load matters. Reduction in virus shedding is helpful. Putting fewer viruses out there, or breathing in fewer viruses, is a good thing
Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I would rather be in a Grocery store where 2 people cough in 2 different spots then those 2 people coughing and slowly dropping droplets all over everywhere they walk in the store. My odds of crossing those 2 spots are less than crossing somewhere else they walked with "less concentration" even though its less risk of inhaling the particles in those locations.
This is total BS you just pulled out of your ass
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The cure (Lock down = Economic depression = Massive unemployment, bankruptcies, starvation, divorces, economic depression, increase in crime, possible conflict etc), must not be worse than the virus.

I am only for closing if all the folks demanding closure vacate their salaries (politicians and experts)... until then, fire it up.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Those aren't supposed to be the same numbers. Probably the current covid deaths are under reported (and, BTW, 'flu deaths' are greatly over estimated)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...tPeo1zXojlvcxo

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...ociated-Deaths


that article is a huge waste of time and the bias is extremely apparent in that article and I am not comparing covid19 deaths to flu deaths. Covid19 has a higher transmission rate than the flu which makes it more deadly the seasonal flu but this still does not warrant a lockdown especially as it is extremely LOW-RISK for individuals < 70 years old with no comorbities. Yes, there are still some young healthy individuals who pass from the disease but the number is EXTREMELY LOW and RARE (and def not enough to close down the entire country). Regardless, numbers are being OVER reported this has been discussing by multiple providers and even Italian physicians (although anecdotal and expert opinion is the lowest level of evidence). All these articles from biased news outlets about numbers being under-reported are all BS and have no evidence to back it up, I have yet to see any concrete evidence that covid19 deaths are being under-reported
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Originally Posted By JT11RTR⏩
Not listening to fake news *******s from canada
at least canada didnt phuck up their corona response like usa did fgt
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Originally Posted By BalkanPrince⏩
The cure (Lock down = Economic depression = Massive unemployment, bankruptcies, starvation, divorces, economic depression, increase in crime, possible conflict etc), must not be worse than the virus.

I am only for closing if all the folks demanding closure vacate their salaries (politicians and experts)... until then, fire it up.
No!

The virus is going to kill THOUSANDS of people, and we must close down everything! No matter the consequences!

You just want my grandpa to die!
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Inb4 2nd wave actually overwhelms hospitals
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Originally Posted By Pandaz619⏩
that article is a huge waste of time and the bias is extremely apparent in that article and I am not comparing covid19 deaths to flu deaths. Covid19 has a higher transmission rate than the flu which makes it more deadly the seasonal flu but this still does not warrant a lockdown especially as it is extremely LOW-RISK for younger individuals. Regardless, numbers are being OVER reported this has been discussing by multiple providers and even Italian physicians (although anecdotal and expert opinion is the lowest level of evidence). All these articles from biased news outlets about numbers being under-reported are all BS and have no evidence to back it up, I have yet to see any concrete evidence that covid19 deaths are being under-reported
Covid deaths are most likely under reported, all reliable data taken in context indicates as much.

The total deaths exceeding recent average/expected by a number greater than covid is not susceptible to bias. That is black and white.

Do you have an explanation for why total deaths are greater than average/expected + official covid?

What are the extra/missing deaths attributed to?

And if you think covid is under reported, that just means even more unexplained deaths. I mean I guess it makes total sense these extra above average unexplained deaths just happened to coincide with a global pandemic totally unrelated though...lol
Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx⏩
No!

The virus is going to kill THOUSANDS of people[per day]and we must close down everything! No matter the consequences!

You just want my grandpa to die!
FTFY
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Did you read them?

We detected coronavirus in respiratory droplets and aerosols in 3 of 10 (30%) and 4 of 10 (40%) of the samples collected without face masks, respectively, but did not detect any virus in respiratory droplets or aerosols collected from participants wearing face masks



Also, viral load matters. Reduction in virus shedding is helpful. Putting fewer viruses out there, or breathing in fewer viruses, is a good thing




This is total BS you just pulled out of your ass
whats is "face masks"

n95 fitted face masks, or surgical face masks?

Also whats your opinion on the fact that the VAST majority of people dying are elderly, and over 70 at that.

Should young people have to not go to the gym, stores, work, school etc... because of that? Countrywide lockdown for an illness that has a VERY low mortality rate in young individuals?
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
whats is "face masks"

n95 fitted face masks, or surgical face masks?

Also whats your opinion on the fact that the VAST majority of people dying are elderly, and over 70 at that.

Should young people have to not go to the gym, stores, work, school etc... because of that? Countrywide lockdown for an illness that has a VERY low mortality rate in young individuals?
Read the link and you'll know the answer.

You really should justread it. The answer is literally in the second ****ing sentence. I mean, you can't even read the abstract? GTFO

My point is thatmasks help.

Let's deal with one thing at a time.

Stop being a retard, READ THE LINK, and understand thatmasks help

So long as retards insist that masks make things worse, it's going to stayed locked down, because you're too ****ing stupid to open with reasonable mitigation measures (like masks) in place.

That's...kind of one of the problems here. The more you insist on stupid ass **** like masks not helping, the more they're just going to say "fine then, everything is staying closed"
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Covid deaths are most likely under reported, all reliable data taken in context indicates as much.

The total deaths exceeding recent average/expected by a number greater than covid is not susceptible to bias. That is black and white.

Do you have an explanation for why total deaths are greater than average/expected + official covid?

What are the extra/missing deaths attributed to?

And if you think covid is under reported, that just means even more unexplained deaths. I mean I guess it makes total sense these extra above average unexplained deaths just happened to coincide with a global pandemic totally unrelated though...lol



FTFY
Can you provide all the data and statistics on this? and pls do not post from a biased media source.

I believe the reason why these are being cases are being over-reported is that if the individual that passes from another complication but was positive for covid19 at the time of death, it is considered as a death by covid19. Covid19 for many individuals are MILD and asymptomatic. There are many cases where this has been proven true.
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Originally Posted By Pandaz619⏩
Can you provide all the data and statistics on this? and pls do not post from a biased media source.

I believe the reason why these are being cases are being over-reported is that if the individual that passes from another complication but was positive for covid19 at the time of death, it is considered as a death by covid19. Covid19 for many individuals are MILD and asymptomatic. There are many cases where this has been proven true.
The total deaths exceeding recent average/expected by a number greater than covid is not susceptible to bias. That is black and white.

Do you have an explanation for why total deaths are greater than average/expected + official covid?

What are the extra/missing deaths attributed to?

You can start with the CDC link already provided (as usual, by somebody with no clue what it actually means) above.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Read the link and you'll know the answer.

You really should justread it. The answer is literally in the second ****ing sentence. I mean, you can't even read the abstract? GTFO

My point is thatmasks help.

Let's deal with one thing at a time.

Stop being a retard, READ THE LINK, and understand thatmasks help

So long as retards insist that masks make things worse, it's going to stayed locked down, because you're too ****ing stupid to open with reasonable mitigation measures (like masks) in place.

That's...kind of one of the problems here. The more you insist on stupid ass **** like masks not helping, the more they're just going to say "fine then, everything is staying closed"
I really wouldn't put too much thought into arguing with him. I've done it a few times and I've had your very same reaction LOL.

People ITT are acting like masks are oppressing them lmfao. Like damn, it's just a ****ing mask
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The total deaths exceeding recent average/expected by a number greater than covid is not susceptible to bias. That is black and white.

Do you have an explanation for why total deaths are greater than average/expected + official covid?

What are the extra/missing deaths attributed to?
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
This pandemic has shown how arrogant, narcissistic and ignorant the majority of miscers (and people in general) are. Imaging being so arrogant that you think you know more than scientists about something they have devoted their whole lives to studying. The only reason Covid hasn't been worse is because the lockdowns worked. Its even funnier because those same people are probably flat earthers lol

No, the second wave won't hit right away. It takes 1-2 weeks to show symptoms and the number of carriers right now is low, so itll probably take like 6-8 weeks to show, but when it does, it's gonna suck.
Muh incubation
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
whats is "face masks"

n95 fitted face masks, or surgical face masks?

Also whats your opinion on the fact that the VAST majority of people dying are elderly, and over 70 at that.

Should young people have to not go to the gym, stores, work, school etc... because of that? Countrywide lockdown for an illness that has a VERY low mortality rate in young individuals?
dude, wear a mask when you go out. even just to protect others which wearing masks (yes any mask, doesn't need to be N95) can do.

you do understand that YOU can have COVID and unknowingly spread it to others who may be more susceptible to complications? you understand what that means right?

you do understand that even if you do not die from COVID, studies have shown that it can cause irreversible damage in the lungs of healthy young individuals?

you are worse than the normal ignorant people who just go along like sheep. you chose to spew misinformation because it has disrupted your life. when you or someone you infect due to your nonchalant attitude have irreversible lung damage will you still feel the same way? or 10 years from now when you need an inhaler everytime you hit the gym will it have been worth it?

open with precautions is what most reasonable people are saying. you are just saying OPEN OPEN OPEN MASKS ARE BAD and make yourself sound like an idiot.
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All this over a virus that kills 0.1% of people

Clown world lmfao
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The total deaths exceeding recent average/expected by a number greater than covid is not susceptible to bias. That is black and white.

Do you have an explanation for why total deaths are greater than average/expected + official covid?

What are the extra/missing deaths attributed to?

You can start with the CDC link already provided (as usual, by somebody with no clue what it actually means) above.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
The increase in total deaths is due to covid19? I don't understand how that explains how it is being under reported. They are being reported and they are being added to the total death count which explains the increase in total expected deaths. No one is saying deaths arent happening due to covid19, covid19 is definitely killing people but compared to media sources and the WHO, it is not matching up the CDC numbers. I am comparing the CDC provisional death count from the overall US DEATHS from WHO and the Media.
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Originally Posted By Pandaz619⏩
The increase in total deaths is due to covid19? I don't understand how that explains how it is being under reported.
I already explained that. I think multiple times. On this page.

Average/expected deaths + official covid deaths = a numbersmaller than actual deaths

Do you understand what that means?

The official covid numbers are too small to explain what is actually happening. What that indicates, is under reported covid deaths. Not over. Under.
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1) Average age of covid deaths matches average age of deaths in the US--citing an "expert" that claims there are years left on their lives is hilarious by any measure and an indicator that you cannot think for yourself

2) Saying Covid-19 deaths are under reported while ignoring the fact its infection numbers are not extrapolated like the flu in light of fact 1 is insanity

3) Stanford studies have proven much larger portions of the population have covid-19 than we think, and that was last month...

4) its possible we killed more people by quarantine in nursing homes than we would have by not quarantining since >80% of deaths are in nursing homes

These factors stack together to pretty much fist any possibility that there's some hidden danger from covid19 lurking around the corner
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Originally Posted By textgod⏩
dude, wear a mask when you go out. even just to protect others which wearing masks (yes any mask, doesn't need to be N95) can do.

you do understand that YOU can have COVID and unknowingly spread it to others who may be more susceptible to complications? you understand what that means right?

you do understand that even if you do not die from COVID, studies have shown that it can cause irreversible damage in the lungs of healthy young individuals?

you are worse than the normal ignorant people who just go along like sheep. you chose to spew misinformation because it has disrupted your life. when you or someone you infect due to your nonchalant attitude have irreversible lung damage will you still feel the same way? or 10 years from now when you need an inhaler everytime you hit the gym will it have been worth it?

open with precautions is what most reasonable people are saying. you are just saying OPEN OPEN OPEN MASKS ARE BAD and make yourself sound like an idiot.
do you even realize im arguing the facts of a person with covid and how it spreads still wearing a mask?

I am not arguing wearing a mask just because.

I am saying there has been some evidence some doctors have shown that it can be more dangerous to cause more spread by wearing a mask.

What happens to the person walking through droplets who inhales them into their mask?
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
1) Average age of covid deaths matches average age of deaths in the US--citing an "expert" that claims there are years left on their lives is hilarious by any measure and an indicator that you cannot think for yourself

2) Saying Covid-19 deaths are under reported while ignoring the fact its infection numbers are not extrapolated like the flu in light of fact 1 is insanity

3) Stanford studies have proven much larger portions of the population have covid-19 than we think, and that was last month...

These factors stack together to pretty much fist any possibility that there's some hidden danger from covid19 lurking around the corner
Reports said people had it as early as january and even december.

Some people i know had flu like symptoms in January, went to the hospital, and got sent home.

There are tons of these stories.

If this virus has been here since January(even December), then this would be extremely widespread at this point, since this is a "very contagious" virus. Right?
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Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx⏩
Reports said people had it as early as january and even december.

Some people i know had flu like symptoms in January, went to the hospital, and got sent home.

There are tons of these stories.

If this virus has been here since January(even December), then this would be extremely widespread at this point, since this is a "very contagious" virus. Right?
Right it's SO CONTAGIOUS but you're a cottdamn heretic if you think it was here before china says so!

You really have to laugh at the logic.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I already explained that. I think multiple times. On this page.

Average/expected deaths + official covid deaths = a numbersmaller than actual deaths

Do you understand what that means?

The official covid numbers are too small to explain what is actually happening. What that indicates, is under reported covid deaths. Not over. Under.
Less fatal crashes. Less homicides. Less accidental deaths. Etc.


If you make the majority of the population stay locked up in their homes death rates will plummet across the board. Suicides might increase or at the least remain as normal. Death of natural causes should remain as normal. Or maybe even decrease slightly. But in general death stats will decrease.





It doesn't mean a bunch of people are dying of Covid and people are concealing those numbers. If you really want to remain safe and healthy just stay in your house for the rest of your life. You'll dramatically decrease your chances of dying in a car crash, plane crash, from a drive by shooting/mugging, etc.
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