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post 1605427691 05-20-2020, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Ayz33⏩
Interesting. Though I do feel you're over simplifying the wine process and the multitudes of variety they can produce with different grape types and style of production
I’m definitely oversimplifying it lol I just didn’t want to write an essay comparing the two on my cellphone. They’re both complex, I was just trying to outline beers complexity to give you a general idea.
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Originally Posted By A-GAME⏩
Why is American beer so shyt? Seriously, it fukn sucks.
Nope. Worst beer I had in my life was in England, America has amazing beer

edit: I'll pretty much drink anything, sours/stouts/ipa/etc. Some of the best I've ever had were lactose infused
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post 1605427951 05-20-2020, 06:06 PM
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I only ever drink Japanese beers now.

I like them cold, and in a can.
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post 1605428411 05-20-2020, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted By MN88⏩
You don’t know what you’re talking about. If you don’t like west coast IPA’s that doesn’t mean the beer is bad. Maybe you prefer east coast or new england hazy ipas or none at all. The beer that got me into craft beer was a Canadian west coast IPA similar to Dogfish Heads 60 minute IPA.
WTF does the style have to do with not liking a sht option of a style? They didn't teach you that in beer school? Nothing wrong with a good west coast IPA.

Edit: Let me take that back. It is a good option for the style. But, when someone says, I don't like IPAs, are you going to recommend them a classic example of what they just described disliking?
post 1605428521 05-20-2020, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
WTF does the style have to do with a sht option of a style? They didn't teach you that in beer school?
How does it taste like piss though?

Strangely enough another guy who told me Lagunitas sucks lived in California too.

EDIT: I see. It's locally brewed there.
post 1605428831 05-20-2020, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
How does it taste like piss though?

Strangely enough another guy who told me Lagunitas sucks lived in California too.

EDIT: I see. It's locally brewed there.
I'm exaggerating but there is nothing special about it and if someone says, I don't like IPAs, why recommend them a very middle of the road classic style IPA?
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post 1605429091 05-20-2020, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
.Edit: Let me take that back. It is a good option for the style. But, when someone says, I don't like IPAs, are you going to recommend them a classic example of what they just described disliking?
Of course not. I’m only arguing it’s a good option for the style. If you don’t like lagunitas ipa that’s perfectly fine. But saying it’s a piss ipa is silly.
post 1605429141 05-20-2020, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
I'm exaggerating but there is nothing special about it and if someone says, I don't like IPAs,why recommend them a very middle of the road classic style IPA?
I wasn't into IPA's myself, and it's true about it being middle of the road classic style. I think that's better for a beginner rather than starting off with something too complex that could potentially put them off.

When's the last time you had any IPA from Lagunitas? There were a few beers I didn't like at first, but revisited them sometime later and found them enjoyable.
post 1605429381 05-20-2020, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By MN88⏩
Of course not. I’m only arguing it’s a good option for the style. If you don’t like lagunitas ipa that’s perfectly fine. But saying it’s a piss ipa is silly.
Fair enough.
Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
I wasn't into IPA's myself, and it's true about it being middle of the road classic style. I think that's better for a beginner rather than starting off with something too complex that could potentially put them off.

When's the last time you had any IPA from Lagunitas? There were a few beers I didn't like at first, but revisited them sometime later and found them enjoyable.
I actually had some DayTime a few times recently. One of the few session IPAs at the store across the street. It's good.

All I'm saying (I was too sarcastic about it), is that if someone says, I don't like IPAs, recommending them a standard find-it-anywhere IPA isn't going to sway them. At least in my experience it doesn't.
post 1605429811 05-20-2020, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Punchaholic⏩
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post 1605430301 05-20-2020, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted By wagtail⏩
I only ever drink Japanese beers now.

I like them cold, and in a can.
I love a real cold Sapporo with sushi. If you like Japanese beer I highly suggest checking out Hitachino Nest. They make really interesting beer using japanese ingredients.

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Originally Posted By MN88⏩
Whats up Misc? I’m a certified cicerone and bjcp certified beer judge. Ask me all your beer questions or post what you’re drinking.

Am I weird for finding Pliny Elder underwhelming as **** for all the hype. Tried it out the tap, in a bottle and never thought it was very special
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Originally Posted By ChrisLS8⏩
Am I weird for finding Pliny Elder underwhelming as **** for all the hype. Tried it out the tap, in a bottle and never thought it was very special
No not at all. I’d rather have their blind pig ipa to be honest. I think when it was released it was one of the first double ipa big boys and at the time it was a big deal to the beer nerds and neckbeards. I guess it still is to the people that do bottle trades and like waiting in line for hours which I never understood. Pretty cringey to me especially when the states has so many awesome breweries.
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Originally Posted By MN88⏩
Lol there’s over 7,000 breweries in the states alone..and I live in Canada. I can elaborate as much as you’d like. For suggestions I have to stick to what’s widely available in the states so people can have a half decent chance at getting it.
you suggested lagunitas when there's far more available and better, you said you don't drink light beer so suggested some crap. I'm more knowledgeable than you
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post 1605432121 05-20-2020, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
I'm a homebrewer and considered doing the BJCP certification. I don't have the time now unfortunately and I'm not brewing as often.

I grow a variety of hops on my property and get an excellent yield every year. For example, my hallertau plant is taller than I am and it's only Mid may in Canada.

I had an idea for a harvest brew in the fall. I was thinking of brewing a north eastern style IPA with wet cashmere hops and using a Kveik yeast. Any thoughts on that?

Do you think there's any value to cold-steeping roasted malt rather than just mashing it? I've always heard it helps reduce the astringency. One of my favorite styles of beer to brew is a black IPA. I've always just tossed in my roasted malts in with the rest in the mash. What do you think?

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I don’t have much experience with cashmere hops other than trying it in Collective Arts (Hamilton, Ontario) collab they did with Stillwater. I love wet hop beers though and Kveik yeast lends really easily to ipas.

Yes cold steeping your roasted barley will help with harsh astringency. If you’re not familiar with brulosophy he’s got a great website and instagram page. Here’s an article he wrote comparing cold steeping and full mash
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post 1605432671 05-20-2020, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
you suggested lagunitas when there's far more available and better, you said you don't drink light beer so suggested some crap. I'm more knowledgeable than you
Lol It’s a great choice for a widely available west coast IPA you can probably find at a gas station. I have my Canadian favourites but from what I’ve had in the States I really liked Sierra Nevada Tor**** Extra IPA, Firestone Walker Union Jack, and Stone IPA. I have favourite east coast and hazy ipas but those are my favourites specific to west coast.

Lol I suggested Pilsner Urquell. If you don’t know what that is and it’s significance I can’t help ya bud. Go try one you wont regret it.
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Originally Posted By MN88⏩
It’s a great choice for a widely available west coast IPA. I have my Canadian favourites but from what I’ve had in the States I really like Sierra Nevada Tor****, Firestone Walker Union Jack, and Stone IPA. I have favourite east coast and hazy ipas but those are my favourites specific to west coast
youre like someone who's drank craft brews for a few years, just saying.
You just keep suggesting mainstream brews that are good at best but nothing shocking. Might as well suggest bud light for a good light beer.

I'll answer where you should've

Good light beer: montucky
Good ipa: elder the Pliny, most stone brewery, ranger juicy haze
Good red ipa: g' knight (strong), odell run off red ipa
Good german: Carlsberg elephant(also strong)
Good budget beer: Miller Light
Not good but strong budget beer: steel reserve (malt)
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I agree beers should have ratings based on craft of that style. I have had some amazing lagers and pilsners that others rated low because they wanted more juice or whatever. People do not understand the craft that much.

I had a Pastry Stout tonight from Burial called Skillet Stacks.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
you suggested lagunitas when there's far more available and better, you said you don't drink light beer so suggested some crap. I'm more knowledgeable than you
TBF it was Voidgaze that suggested the Lagunitas, not Op...
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
youre like someone who's drank craft brews for a few years, just saying.
You just keep suggesting mainstream brews that are good at best but nothing shocking. Might as well suggest bud light for a good light beer.

I'll answer where you should've

Good light beer: montucky
Good ipa: elder the Pliny, most stone brewery, ranger juicy haze
Good red ipa: g' knight (strong), odell run off red ipa
Good german: Carlsberg elephant(also strong)
Good budget beer: Miller Light
Not good but strong budget beer: steel reserve (malt)
Etc
LOL i like this guy. Like i said I live in Canada so i’d rather recommend something i’ve actually had from the states that most people will have access to instead of naming some obscure double ipa from Asheville. And apparently you agree with me for IPA because I recommended Stone IPA. G’Knight is great.

If you’re looking for an e stat battle just go on beeradvocate and argue with them. Most people here aren’t beer nerds so I don’t see the issue recommending approachable (and some world class) beers to explore.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
youre like someone who's drank craft brews for a few years, just saying.
You just keep suggesting mainstream brews that are good at best but nothing shocking. Might as well suggest bud light for a good light beer.

I'll answer where you should've

Good light beer: montucky
Good ipa: elder the Pliny, most stone brewery, ranger juicy haze
Good red ipa: g' knight (strong), odell run off red ipa
Good german: Carlsberg elephant(also strong)
Good budget beer: Miller Light
Not good but strong budget beer:steel reserve (malt)
Etc



Also I need to check out that Czech beer OP recommends. I can almost swear I've seen that around numerous times in the past, but have never thought to try it (if I'm going to get fancy I mostly like the dark beers - Pilsners aren't something I've ever gotten into). Hopefully I can find some, because now I'm curious.
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Mirin OP.
Would love that sort of career.

Im totally over the Pale Ales / IPAs/ Hopmonster style beers.
I think Ive had too many and went full on for the last 10 - 15 years and enjoyed the micro breweries popping up everywhere.
Now i love classy Pilsners and Lagers even old style bitter draughts.

For some reason a lot of the newer style beers are all Hops/nose and the beer seems to have a watery or weaker flavour.
I really love the yeastier full flavoured beers with only moderate hoppyness nowdays. And these tend to be some of the "old man" style beers. Lol.
Im in Oz - so most of the stuff you guys have mentioned is more or less unobtainable here.
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Originally Posted By OT2000⏩
I agree beers should have ratings based on craft of that style. I have had some amazing lagers and pilsners that others rated low because they wanted more juice or whatever. People do not understand the craft that much.

I had a Pastry Stout tonight from Burial called Skillet Stacks.
Yep. I’d rather they check off that they tried it for their own satisfaction and leave no rating or review if they don’t understand the style. I don’t drink Lambics very often as they aren’t my preference but I can still be objective and rate it accordingly.

Drinking a Godspeed Brewery (Toronto, Canada) Altbier at the moment.

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Originally Posted By DargeLick⏩
Mirin OP.
Would love that sort of career.

Im totally over the Pale Ales / IPAs/ Hopmonster style beers.
I think Ive had too many and went full on for the last 10 - 15 years and enjoyed the micro breweries popping up everywhere.
Now i love classy Pilsners and Lagers even old style bitter draughts.

For some reason a lot of the newer style beers are all Hops/nose and the beer seems to have a watery or weaker flavour.
I really love the yeastier full flavoured beers with only moderate hoppyness nowdays. And these tend to be some of the "old man" style beers. Lol.
Im in Oz - so most of the stuff you guys have mentioned is more or less unobtainable here.
Totally with you on that. I’m all about lagers and english bitters at the moment.
What you’re referring to happens from adding hops late in the brewing process. This will give you A LOT of hop aroma without adding much bitterness. Most hazy ipas are made this way. Huge hop aroma, soft bitterness with not a lot of malt or yeast character.
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Originally Posted By InVentive44⏩
What do you think of sours
Not my cup of tea. If I do have a sour I prefer ones with heavy fruit additions to balance the acidity.
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Originally Posted By MN88⏩
Not my cup of tea. If I do have a sour I prefer ones with heavy fruit additions to balance the acidity.
Been on a real sour kick lately. Love zero issues innsmouth, final batch kettle sour, and sawback brewings passion fruit sour
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