I’m not saying change who you are. Or even for women. If you can’t be happy and positive, there are deeper things to work
On. Who wants to go through life sad, dejected and negative. At that point, it’s not about women. You don’t even have to be an extroverted clown. That’s not what I meant.

Smiling more is a simple change. But don’t fake it. Give yourself a reason to smile and feel good. Best piece of advice I’d give anyone. You’ll feel better about yourself, and others will too


On topic, I don’t know why people are just rejecting TypeNirvash advice. He’s putting it thoughtfully and spending time to actually write those novels and he’s right. Life has given you reason to be skeptical and sure he’s a good looking brah so maybe you think he has it easier, but that’s not the case. I get it but you’re only holding yourself back.

You can spend your life blaming others, but you aren’t doing yourself any favors and I believe that leads to a life of regret

Yeah even if you are just real and have trouble showing emotions people won't like you. You have to play the game and be that happy positive person all the time or people won't like you. That's the problem with today's PC society is people like us can't be ourselves. It's seen as negative.

That’s the problem. You don’t have to fake it. You can become that person by achieving things you set out to and doing things that make you happy.

God knows I’m not mr happy all of the time. But I also don’t let my down attitude bring others with me. That is the big issue.

Why doesn't it apply to you?

The Indian therapist guy basically said "the problem is your attitude and that you dont think you can succeed". Which may have been true for the guy in the video.

However, my current beliefs were developed as a result of my constant failure with women. So its impossible to blame my failures on the beliefs that I developed BECAUSE of the failures in the first place

cliffs?

Was soo good back in 2014 man. Before the disgusting subscription service crap came into place.

Was getting 10-20 matches per week easy, and plowing the decent ones. Was sleeping with ~2 girls each month back then (after many dates)Nope, you can't be complacent. HYPERGAMY doesn't give 2 chits about you. As a man, you always need to be focused on your purpose and maintain these where possible - looks, $$$, status.

I've seen it happen various times where a guy in a r/ship becomes beta-tized, and loses his sense of self. What then happens is the woman loses respect for him. What the hell is the point in being with a woman, after they lose respect for you? No respect = loss of attraction = Window shopping for other higher SMV men.Spot on. While yes you should focus on your purpose and goals, that doesn't mean that being alone is fulfilling... it's actually torture, especially for a man (or woman) as they get older.

The guy in the video's beliefs' were formed by his constant failure as well. The psychologist addresses it bro..

The psychologist does a great job

The truth of the matter is that dominance is to women what a perky pair of tits are to men. Humans (and especially men) will form a social hierarchy completely instinctively, and if you're looking at it historically, women only reproduced with the top 50% of that dominance hierarchy. That's what they find attractive. They want to fuk the winners.

Monogamy is essentially poosay socialism, so that maybe 95% of guys end up with wives and have a reason to be productive, even if half those women are feeling pretty meh about their husbands. And now that we're stripping that away and going back to an attitude of "fuk whoever you find attractive!", well, we're seeing what women really find attractive. About half the men in their dating pool simply don't do anything for them.

Now things aren't as strict with the advent of hookup culture; you can have a Tinder sloot with some daddy issues and a BC prescription fuk 50 different dudes, whereas that chick 8,000 years ago would pry end up pregnant by guy #2 and murdered by that jealous dude when she tried to move on to guy #3. Things weren't always fun back then. But anyway, that promiscuity enabled by birth control does allow more than 50% of guys to get it, but the patterns of attraction remain pretty much the same. So that oft-quoted misc stat 30% of men not having sex this year? That sounds accurate to me. That's pretty close to the way it biologically should be.

If you're looking for a bluepill angle to this, consider that a lot of dominance hierarchies are subjective. Jeff Bezos in a football locker room is the bottom bish - he'd probably be the kicker who gets leveled in tackling drills. Jeff Bezos in a bodybuilding show is going to get laughed off the stage. But Jeff Bezos in the Amazon boardroom is the big swinging dick who inspires fear and awe. Same dude, just different pecking order. So the glass-half-full approach to this is maybe incels just need to find an environment (WITH WOMEN) where they can be the big swinging dick. It's going to take some salesmanship aka game to close the deal, but if you are above the median in your local pecking order, thereshouldbe girls who will give you opportunities

OR

you can just try to get it on with the dirtiest, trashiest sloot you can find, see if someone's willing to give it up to just about anyone. Those are kind of your two winning strategies.

If you're thinking a little more cynically and redpill, one way to rise up the dominance hierarchy is to re-write the game and make yourown hierarchy where you're on top. David Koresh was a high school dropout and a drifter - bad! Now suddenly he claims to be the voice of God and builds a cult - good! Easy status and dozens of willing women wanting to fuk the by-a-mile top dog in their cult circle. It's the same reason why some guys become personal trainers (access to women + "expert" status), bar musicians (access to women + room full of people all looking at you) and sexpats (access to women + you stand out as a rich first worlder), you name it. They're all playing an angle.

Some traits cut across the different dominance hierarchies - looking like you can dominate other men in a fight aka height and frame will ALWAYS be a selling point even if you never throw a punch - but there are ways to get creative.

Repped for posting this vid, saw it when it was first released. Excellent session, and reveals quite a bit.

I don't know what this thread is about but after my first heart break last year I learnt so much and if It wasn't for that moment I don't think I ever would of become a man. I wish I could go back in time and do things differently, but from my experience it seems that if you want to have a relationship with a women in 2020 you need to follow these golden rules.. Please discuss if i'm wrong or right In no particular order:

1. Always improve your SMV and place this above your women. E.g. always be trying to improve your looks, money and status and this should be your no 1 priority but not because of pussy but because of you.

2. Don't always be available. This stems from number 1. You shouldn't always be available if you're improving your SMV, you're out making friends, studying or at the gym.

3. Maintain your "masculine frame" e.g. act like a man, don't whinge, complain, be a pussy , don't be clingy

4. Lead. You should be the one leading and controlling things. All aspects, dates, where to sit, what to eat. You can ask her for her opinion don't be some Nazi but ultimately you're the one making decisions. Always make a decision even if you don't know what you want

5. Be spontaneous. Women get bored so easily due to tinder, social media etc, Try to always do fun dates/spontaneous dates etc don't fall into routines.

6. Good sex obviously **** her good etc. Mix things up etc.

7. Be emotionally distant but don't be a cyborg, as in , don't tell her you love her all the time, she is the greatest etc.



I pretty much did the opposite to all the above in my first relationship. no wonder why it lasted 7 months lol.

But I understand this thread is more about attraction???? I think for me and other incels, I mean i'm not bad looking I've posted my pics on here but in real life i'm probably a 6/10. I'm a manlet and my hair Is going. I got so attached to my first girlfriend because I know how hard it is to find a women whose really into me, and also some what attractive + Fun to be around etc.

I think this is the toughest part for modern dating and so on is that for some guys, they have to put in SOOOO much work to get some pussy whereas, if you're a CHAD you can literally message a girl over Instagram and get her to come to your house. These are the times we live in. This is why I find myself frustrated because I spend time on dating apps and gram trying to get women but only matches and girls I get interested are disgusting. It's such an uphill battle for me to looksmax. This is the depressing part. I know for me - simply consuming a tonne of beta carotene, dropping body fat, getting my haircut, getting jacked etc I can re attract a 6/10 but it's soo much effort for a somewhat attractive girl who isn't particularly smart or special.
It truly does feel like you are doomed if you are born with **** tier genetics. Not just physical but social as well. This is the scary part. Some guys just have great social skills and charisma and can get away with it whereas others are tall and good looking but if you are lucked out on both that's when you're in trouble .
Short/average looks + social anxiety = in big trouble.


I really wish I could have my time with my girlfriend again. It's a tonne better than being alone or hving sex with random girls you don't care about.. most of which are ugly/disgusting. I know she was just my turn etc but it blows maybe I'll get lucky again but the amount of effort required for some ****ing 5/10 off a dating app isn't worth it to me anymore. I guess I just got to accept my **** tier genetics.

Women don't care about your struggles. They hang out at the finish line and pick the winner.

So? DO THE WORK, to raise your SMV -> social circles, networking, aesthetics and fitness, personal grooming, presence/charisma, education, finances etc. And most of all -> women should only be a complement to your life, not the focus.

Also -men are islands, women are boats.If you spend no time cultivating a "beautiful island", then why the hell would a girl swing her boat around towards you and think of you as a valuable man?

No the therapist said that he was failing BECAUSE of his beliefs. He compared it to his job, which he does not have the same beliefs about.

However, if your beliefs are caused by your experiences, obviously you cant blame the experiences on those same beliefs.

The point is that it all comes down to looks regardless. An attractive man doesnt have to do anything to get women, and an ugly man can be this great superman but if he still dont get the pus*y wet it doesnt matter. friendzone it is.

mirin entrpeanuerincars quote. truth!

Or in lieu of that, just become someone else.

So just become superman?

Your version of it, sure. But not in the hopes of doing it for a girl. What’s wrong with wanting to continually better yourself?


Also, people need to stop comparing themselves to others. Chads, uglies, doesn’t matter. We are all dealt different cards in life. Some have better advantages than others. But it’s how you play them. You can fold them, which is the equivalent of a lot of what I see here or you can ante up and play the hand through.

Because some people are already content and at peace with themselves and want to focus on other things in life.

I think it's funny, because you want to believe that you're an exception to the rule. However your explanation as to why you are the exception to the rule is pretty much the same explanation he gave as to why he is the way he is in the first place: because of his past failures to connect. Because he just "works this way."Actually, that's part of where I was going; relationships are everything that incels talk about on hard mode. If you think you're aren't going to have to work twice as hard in order to keep that relationship successful, you're in for a very, very, very bad time.Not even going to lie that was fukkin' phenominal. Can you do more of these brah? I swear if I could get an Arnie video review of something I'd be ded.

I dont really think I'm an exception, of the very few guys who look like me that are pretty much in the same situation as me too. Either incel or banging whales and goblins.

I don't really know how to adequately put this into words, so I'm going to try to say it as best as I can.

You've self identified as a 3/10 before, and are 5'3''. You have stated yourself that you're ugly. I have never seen pictures of you so I can't confirm or deny this. However, if you are as ugly and short as you say that you are... Is it fair to be that picky? I mean, after all,they're also fukking a short ugly dude.

I don't really know a nice way of putting it, but wouldn't your looksmatch pretty much be a 3/10? Wouldn't you both be"goblins"? Kind of strange for a guy who proclaims he is 5'3'' and 3/10 to turn around and call somebody else a goblin, no offense...

And if it's specifically getting laid, or having sex... I mean, wouldn't that at least make you no longer an incel?

I'm just trying to understand what you're getting at.

So yes, very few men are actually incels because almost anyone can get desperate whales. in my case it seems like I cant even get low value chicks, so in that way yes I am bottom of the barrel even worse than your typical ugly m8 whos fuking ghoul tier chicks at least.

its not as if I think or expect to be banging models, thats not reality. I understand I'm low value.

I'm not sure what you're saying;

You would fuk a 3/10, or you wouldn't?

Depends on the day, I wouldn't date one but when horny enough(like now) yes I wood bang

Gotta be honest my dude, this sounds like word salad to me. Can you rephrase it? I said that his experiences caused his beliefs, but his beliefs were also perpetuating those same experiences because of the feedback loop it created.

It's the cycle you're stuck in my dude.This. There is a huge silver lining here. Everyone is dealt different cards, same bad, some good, but that only sucks if you're playing the same game.Don't play other people's gamesPlay your own game. My game is to become the best version of myself that I can be. I'm still struggling with my own issues, but I feel like I'm making progress everyday. Each day, I compare myself against who I was yesterday, and not to someone else. Comparisons are useless because you CANNOT actually compare. You don't have all the info of someone else's life. Maybe that "chad" or "stacy" that you compare yourself too is actually a horrible mess. Maybe they achieved that look after tons of surgery. Maybe they're so insecure about their appearance, they can't stop looking in the mirror every 30 minutes. Comparison really is the thief of joy.

Stop comparing, and start focusing on what you love.

Ok lets focus on bold, what caused his experiences before the beliefs were ever formed? that is the important question

Inexperience, and luck.Dude, when you first start out, you are bound to fail... It's inevitable. It's like learning to walk. You'll fall. Does that mean you should believe that you weren't meant to walk? Obviously not.

Unfortunately for the guy in the video, he failed, and took it hard. He brought that failure, and hopeless attitude into all subsequent interactions. The therapist spent almost the entire session just trying to get him to notice that feedback loop.

I think you have to do that same. You are trying to impose your own beliefs on the world, and only selecting data that confirms it. If I showed you an example of a disabled ethnic dude getting with 7/10, you would search your mind for ONLY the possible reasons allowed by your own beliefs.. Money, fame.. etc. If he didn't have any of that, you would just ignore it, call it a 1/1,000,000,000 exception or something. What you would fail to notice is that this happens everyday.

Start by noticing your thoughts, and that feedback loop. I'm telling you, you're literally the same guy in the video. Rewatch that video again with an open mind, and try to pinpoint what resonates with you. You CAN start to fix yourself brah. I got out of a lot of my feedback loops, and you can too. Again, this is coming from a 5'5 ethnic, ugly/average (honestly don't know) looking dude. So I can relate..

With the way this thread's going, I'd like to drop another pill.....

There's a strong unspoken assumption that when it comes to dating, there's a lid for every kettle. There's an equal number of men and women who need partners, so everyone can get one. The only reason you can't get one is because you're either shooting out of your league and not looking at the kettle that's available to you (ie "3/10 single mom"), or you're just incapable of functioning in society (ie "not a man").

Put another way, we're assuming monogamy. If you can step up to the plate and make a base hit, you get a wife. So does your friend. So does your boss. Everyone gets their one poocey. And that's the way it's always been, right? It was that way for your parents, it was that way for your grandparents, and so that's the way it's probably going to be today.

Nope.

The default state of human society is not monogamy, it's polygyny.I outlined that with the dominance hierarchy stuff about - women want to fuk the winners, and to hell with the rest. That means that women will tend to clump up in a harem around their society's elites, and somewhere between 20% and 50% of the men will die FA ******* virgins. There's not a 3/10 single mom or anything for them, cause that 3/10 is already taken as the 5th concubine for a more dominant man. Low-status men never get a chance.

Plains Indians, Aboriginals, sub-Saharan Bushmen, Vikings, Old Testament Jews, medieval Chinese, the entire Islamic world... all polygynous societies where that happened. You name a society, chances are they're polygynous, and the farther back you go the more prevalent polygyny gets. In fact,the most strictly monogamous culture I know of in history is western Christianity. I don't think you guys get how weird that is.

The best parallel I can draw is to the Hindus. Humans are biologically geared towards eating meat - why do you think we have canine teeth - and in almost every culture you want to name, people eat meat. But the Hindus have built a culture that's entirely vegetarian. If you ask them about it, they'd tell you it's always been that way and it's a good thing; people who eat meat are cruel and weird. But if you look at it from a broader anthropological view, their society is deeply aberrant.

Same thing with monogamy and western Christianity. Our cultural memory is that monogamy's "always been that way", and that swingers and Mormons and other polygamists are weird. No. The weird thing is guaranteeing every basically-functional man in society a poocey, cause that doesn't happen anywhere else.We've become accustomed to the historical exception.

And throughout the 20th century, we've started tearing away at the fabric of that Christian culture - communism/statism as a replacement for religion, neoliberalism pushing economics as its own pseudo-religion, the sexual revolution - and we're undermining its foundations. Now I'm agnostic leaning atheist, so don't go painting me as some fundie bemoaning the decline of that system. I'm a 90s kid, I'm very much the product of this new world.But when you eliminate that Christian culture, you eliminate the poocey socialism that it brought with it and start gravitating back towards the harem.

Society right now is a trip. You have strict monogamous poocey socialism within living memory and that many people still set as a goal, but you have birth control opening up the possibility of unlimited hookups based on polygynous attraction, so what's the norm now. On top of that, you now offer women the means to provide on their own and live without a man, which is an option they've never had before in history. And then you givementhe option of satiating their super-visual sex drive with unending supplies of porn, so men can opt out of women as well.

Chit is getting fully weird, and I'm not going to pretend like I know how it'll all ultimately play out.But it's unlikely to be as equitable for low-status men as it was before, because monogamous Christianity was literally the best it's been for them in human history, and that culture we've taken for granted is now coming towards a close.