Thread: Question for Misc Joggers
07-31-2020, 12:56 PM
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Have read a bunch of books about running/running form in my time (was pretty into it in high school, have logged 1000+ miles barefoot).
Wouldn't worry too much about the shoe. Get something that feels good for you (try in the store and run around) and that's not ridiculously bulky. Switching to the more barefoot style is ideal, but I wouldn't expect a change of shoe (or lack thereof) to do all the work for you. Do some research and consciously try to improve your form. I also would not go barefoot/completely minimalist unless you're solely sticking to grass or another soft surface.
Style aside, you can mitigate a lot of the impact of running by focusing on 3 things:
1) Have your foot land underneath your hip/center of gravity. Your foot landing in front of you acts as a braking mechanism, and the consequent horizontal force will be sent up your leg.
2) Take 180 (170-190 really) steps per minute. This really shouldn't vary with your speed, unless you're really sprinting. Most people take strides that are too long and infrequent (i.e. they probably take ~130 steps per minute). Faster steps = shorter steps (speed maintained), which means less impact on your legs from giantass strides.
3) Good general posture. Chest up. Shoulders back. Lean at the ankles, not the hips. Useful metaphor I've heard is think of your shin angle as a gas pedal: the further forward you lean, the longer your strides will be (and given you should now have a constant stride frequency, this implies a faster pace).
Running barefoot on grass for ~10 minutes 2-3 times a week is definitely a good exercise for all runners (builds stabilizers n whatnot), but heel striking really isn't Satan.
Wouldn't worry too much about the shoe. Get something that feels good for you (try in the store and run around) and that's not ridiculously bulky. Switching to the more barefoot style is ideal, but I wouldn't expect a change of shoe (or lack thereof) to do all the work for you. Do some research and consciously try to improve your form. I also would not go barefoot/completely minimalist unless you're solely sticking to grass or another soft surface.
Style aside, you can mitigate a lot of the impact of running by focusing on 3 things:
1) Have your foot land underneath your hip/center of gravity. Your foot landing in front of you acts as a braking mechanism, and the consequent horizontal force will be sent up your leg.
2) Take 180 (170-190 really) steps per minute. This really shouldn't vary with your speed, unless you're really sprinting. Most people take strides that are too long and infrequent (i.e. they probably take ~130 steps per minute). Faster steps = shorter steps (speed maintained), which means less impact on your legs from giantass strides.
3) Good general posture. Chest up. Shoulders back. Lean at the ankles, not the hips. Useful metaphor I've heard is think of your shin angle as a gas pedal: the further forward you lean, the longer your strides will be (and given you should now have a constant stride frequency, this implies a faster pace).
Running barefoot on grass for ~10 minutes 2-3 times a week is definitely a good exercise for all runners (builds stabilizers n whatnot), but heel striking really isn't Satan.
07-31-2020, 12:59 PM
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Nike Pegasus has been pretty good. Although now I mainly trail run.
Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Brooks cascadia 11s. Good ankle support for trails imo. There’s also a Nike Pegasus trail runner which I’ll probably try nextWhat about trail runners? Any recommendations. I'm in the market.
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07-31-2020, 01:04 PM
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Not an expert on this but just use cheap New Balance running shoes myself.
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07-31-2020, 01:07 PM
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The flat shoe thing is some Joe Rogan bullchit. 99% of experienced runners will tell you get evaluated, or to try out lines in Brooks, Hoka One One, Nike etc and the cushioning will be based on your goals as it pertains to speed and comfort.
07-31-2020, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
I've been running since rona too and was struggling with some knee pain initially.Shesprints, since you're here, can you help me with something.
I have started running since Rona and can't do anything else. I don't jog fast or anything but I run like thirty minutes, then I walk back the same distance. I run on pavement.
Anyhow, I feel like crippled, like I can't even bend my knees to go to toilet most days. Do you have any tips? Maybe stretching more?
I have started running since Rona and can't do anything else. I don't jog fast or anything but I run like thirty minutes, then I walk back the same distance. I run on pavement.
Anyhow, I feel like crippled, like I can't even bend my knees to go to toilet most days. Do you have any tips? Maybe stretching more?
I that stretching out my quads (couch stretch) every night and especially before a run the next day helped. And as a warm up I'll do bodyweight squats, walking lunges etc to grease up the knees.
I also try and get through limber 11 on rest days from lifting just for general mobility.
If your knees are giving you pain it's probably best to lay up a while until the soreness goes away and then starting again slowly.
When I started out i was really going at it and not focusing on form which didn't help.
07-31-2020, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted By DerkBezerk⏩
First time I went, I tore up my hamstring. I haven't run since I started lifting 2013. Now I'm getting used to it but it's still tough on my body. I have no idea if my form is good or bad.I've been running since rona too and was struggling with some knee pain initially.
I that stretching out my quads (couch stretch) every night and especially before a run the next day helped. And as a warm up I'll do bodyweight squats, walking lunges etc to grease up the knees.
I also try and get through limber 11 on rest days from lifting just for general mobility.
If your knees are giving you pain it's probably best to lay up a while until the soreness goes away and then starting again slowly.
When I started out i was really going at it and not focusing on form which didn't help.
I that stretching out my quads (couch stretch) every night and especially before a run the next day helped. And as a warm up I'll do bodyweight squats, walking lunges etc to grease up the knees.
I also try and get through limber 11 on rest days from lifting just for general mobility.
If your knees are giving you pain it's probably best to lay up a while until the soreness goes away and then starting again slowly.
When I started out i was really going at it and not focusing on form which didn't help.
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Originally Posted By legbroke⏩
Strong username to post ratio.Have read a bunch of books about running/running form in my time (was pretty into it in high school, have logged 1000+ miles barefoot).
Wouldn't worry too much about the shoe. Get something that feels good for you (try in the store and run around) and that's not ridiculously bulky. Switching to the more barefoot style is ideal, but I wouldn't expect a change of shoe (or lack thereof) to do all the work for you. Do some research and consciously try to improve your form. I also would not go barefoot/completely minimalist unless you're solely sticking to grass or another soft surface.
Style aside, you can mitigate a lot of the impact of running by focusing on 3 things:
1) Have your foot land underneath your hip/center of gravity. Your foot landing in front of you acts as a braking mechanism, and the consequent horizontal force will be sent up your leg.
2) Take 180 (170-190 really) steps per minute. This really shouldn't vary with your speed, unless you're really sprinting. Most people take strides that are too long and infrequent (i.e. they probably take ~130 steps per minute). Faster steps = shorter steps (speed maintained), which means less impact on your legs from giantass strides.
3) Good general posture. Chest up. Shoulders back. Lean at the ankles, not the hips. Useful metaphor I've heard is think of your shin angle as a gas pedal: the further forward you lean, the longer your strides will be (and given you should now have a constant stride frequency, this implies a faster pace).
Running barefoot on grass for ~10 minutes 2-3 times a week is definitely a good exercise for all runners (builds stabilizers n whatnot), but heel striking really isn't Satan.
Wouldn't worry too much about the shoe. Get something that feels good for you (try in the store and run around) and that's not ridiculously bulky. Switching to the more barefoot style is ideal, but I wouldn't expect a change of shoe (or lack thereof) to do all the work for you. Do some research and consciously try to improve your form. I also would not go barefoot/completely minimalist unless you're solely sticking to grass or another soft surface.
Style aside, you can mitigate a lot of the impact of running by focusing on 3 things:
1) Have your foot land underneath your hip/center of gravity. Your foot landing in front of you acts as a braking mechanism, and the consequent horizontal force will be sent up your leg.
2) Take 180 (170-190 really) steps per minute. This really shouldn't vary with your speed, unless you're really sprinting. Most people take strides that are too long and infrequent (i.e. they probably take ~130 steps per minute). Faster steps = shorter steps (speed maintained), which means less impact on your legs from giantass strides.
3) Good general posture. Chest up. Shoulders back. Lean at the ankles, not the hips. Useful metaphor I've heard is think of your shin angle as a gas pedal: the further forward you lean, the longer your strides will be (and given you should now have a constant stride frequency, this implies a faster pace).
Running barefoot on grass for ~10 minutes 2-3 times a week is definitely a good exercise for all runners (builds stabilizers n whatnot), but heel striking really isn't Satan.
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08-03-2020, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
Just saw this. Are you running every day (you shouldn't--try every other day)? What kind of shoes are you wearing?Shesprints, since you're here, can you help me with something.
I have started running since Rona and can't do anything else. I don't jog fast or anything but I run like thirty minutes, then I walk back the same distance. I run on pavement.
Anyhow, I feel like crippled, like I can't even bend my knees to go to toilet most days. Do you have any tips? Maybe stretching more?
I have started running since Rona and can't do anything else. I don't jog fast or anything but I run like thirty minutes, then I walk back the same distance. I run on pavement.
Anyhow, I feel like crippled, like I can't even bend my knees to go to toilet most days. Do you have any tips? Maybe stretching more?
Yes, I recommend stretching (after you run). Also make sure your gait is okay. If you're heel-striking you're jarring the f*Ck out of your legs. You want to lean forward, take fast steps, and land softly on your midfoot.
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I need a podiatrist I've tried everything else.
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I love minimalist shoes, especially made by New Balance.
Since I started to run wearing them (five years?), no more knee pains for me.
The idea is whether you want your own muscles to protect your knees or the thick heel cushions to do that job on behalf of your own leg muscles.

The key is to toe-landing instead of heel landing.
Need some practices but definitely worth the effort.
Since I started to run wearing them (five years?), no more knee pains for me.
The idea is whether you want your own muscles to protect your knees or the thick heel cushions to do that job on behalf of your own leg muscles.
The key is to toe-landing instead of heel landing.
Need some practices but definitely worth the effort.
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Grey joggers tbh
08-04-2020, 06:00 AM
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Been and done both.
Flat shoes Merrills with a vibram sole and normal running shoes e.g. with soft foam.
Its really doesnt matter as long as you follow the following Sage Running vid on HOW to actually run.
Helped me a lot as an oldcel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlvKMxPMr0
Flat shoes Merrills with a vibram sole and normal running shoes e.g. with soft foam.
Its really doesnt matter as long as you follow the following Sage Running vid on HOW to actually run.
Helped me a lot as an oldcel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlvKMxPMr0
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Originally Posted By Samraiwise⏩
+1 wise words from a wise man.I love minimalist shoes, especially made by New Balance.
Since I started to run wearing them (five years?), no more knee pains for me.
The idea is whether you want your own muscles to protect your knees or the thick heel cushions to do that job on behalf of your own leg muscles.

The key is to toe-landing instead of heel landing.
Need some practices but definitely worth the effort.
Since I started to run wearing them (five years?), no more knee pains for me.
The idea is whether you want your own muscles to protect your knees or the thick heel cushions to do that job on behalf of your own leg muscles.
The key is to toe-landing instead of heel landing.
Need some practices but definitely worth the effort.
Originally Posted By DargeLick⏩
Watched the vid, good tips...but wtf - at 2:50 he's talking about keeping your pelvis/hips forward - and says "like at the moment of deepest penetration" - I did a double take, was he really just talking about smashing as a cue for running form? Lol just seemed out of place in the rest of the 'serious' vid.Been and done both.
Flat shoes Merrills with a vibram sole and normal running shoes e.g. with soft foam.
Its really doesnt matter as long as you follow the following Sage Running vid on HOW to actually run.
Helped me a lot as an oldcel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlvKMxPMr0
Flat shoes Merrills with a vibram sole and normal running shoes e.g. with soft foam.
Its really doesnt matter as long as you follow the following Sage Running vid on HOW to actually run.
Helped me a lot as an oldcel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlvKMxPMr0
EDIT: after looking at the comments I see I wasn't the only one that heard that lol
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Originally Posted By shesprints⏩
Thank you! I did all this yesterday and feels better already. I think I was running too straight/upwards.Just saw this. Are you running every day (you shouldn't--try every other day)? What kind of shoes are you wearing?
Yes, I recommend stretching (after you run). Also make sure your gait is okay. If you're heel-striking you're jarring the f*Ck out of your legs. You want to lean forward, take fast steps, and land softly on your midfoot.
Yes, I recommend stretching (after you run). Also make sure your gait is okay. If you're heel-striking you're jarring the f*Ck out of your legs. You want to lean forward, take fast steps, and land softly on your midfoot.
I have ASICS women's gel-excite 6 running shoes that I got from Amazon. They are comfy. I always have problem with my feet, toes get busted and nails fall off but not with these.
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Originally Posted By sunsean⏩
Yeah Lol. Gotta admit I thought the same thing!+1 wise words from a wise man.
Watched the vid, good tips...but wtf - at 2:50 he's talking about keeping your pelvis/hips forward - and says "like at the moment of deepest penetration" - I did a double take, was he really just talking about smashing as a cue for running form? Lol just seemed out of place in the rest of the 'serious' vid.
EDIT: after looking at the comments I see I wasn't the only one that heard that lol
Watched the vid, good tips...but wtf - at 2:50 he's talking about keeping your pelvis/hips forward - and says "like at the moment of deepest penetration" - I did a double take, was he really just talking about smashing as a cue for running form? Lol just seemed out of place in the rest of the 'serious' vid.
EDIT: after looking at the comments I see I wasn't the only one that heard that lol
Another miscer linked this vid in a thread a while ago which is where I came across it.
Takes a bit to get all the things correct but it will pay off quickly.
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cavemen ran on dirt not gravel or cement. I would rather have traditional running shoes with cushion.
but either way both sides - traditional or minimalists shoes, are geared towards something they have to sell. Shoe market was probably saturated, oh look more money for less shoe. IDK about that, but if you are going to do a lot of running, probably more important to have your gait and flexibility looked at by someone that knows what theyre doing to make sure youre doing all that you can to avoid injury.
but either way both sides - traditional or minimalists shoes, are geared towards something they have to sell. Shoe market was probably saturated, oh look more money for less shoe. IDK about that, but if you are going to do a lot of running, probably more important to have your gait and flexibility looked at by someone that knows what theyre doing to make sure youre doing all that you can to avoid injury.
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