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post 1612201771 07-31-2020, 12:56 PM
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Have read a bunch of books about running/running form in my time (was pretty into it in high school, have logged 1000+ miles barefoot).

Wouldn't worry too much about the shoe. Get something that feels good for you (try in the store and run around) and that's not ridiculously bulky. Switching to the more barefoot style is ideal, but I wouldn't expect a change of shoe (or lack thereof) to do all the work for you. Do some research and consciously try to improve your form. I also would not go barefoot/completely minimalist unless you're solely sticking to grass or another soft surface.


Style aside, you can mitigate a lot of the impact of running by focusing on 3 things:

1) Have your foot land underneath your hip/center of gravity. Your foot landing in front of you acts as a braking mechanism, and the consequent horizontal force will be sent up your leg.

2) Take 180 (170-190 really) steps per minute. This really shouldn't vary with your speed, unless you're really sprinting. Most people take strides that are too long and infrequent (i.e. they probably take ~130 steps per minute). Faster steps = shorter steps (speed maintained), which means less impact on your legs from giantass strides.

3) Good general posture. Chest up. Shoulders back. Lean at the ankles, not the hips. Useful metaphor I've heard is think of your shin angle as a gas pedal: the further forward you lean, the longer your strides will be (and given you should now have a constant stride frequency, this implies a faster pace).


Running barefoot on grass for ~10 minutes 2-3 times a week is definitely a good exercise for all runners (builds stabilizers n whatnot), but heel striking really isn't Satan.
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Nike Pegasus has been pretty good. Although now I mainly trail run.
Originally Posted By Kev1972
What about trail runners? Any recommendations. I'm in the market.
Brooks cascadia 11s. Good ankle support for trails imo. There’s also a Nike Pegasus trail runner which I’ll probably try next
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post 1612202411 07-31-2020, 01:04 PM
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we 2010 now?



it will wreck you brah (ded srs)

don't do it
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post 1612202561 07-31-2020, 01:06 PM
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Not an expert on this but just use cheap New Balance running shoes myself.
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post 1612202621 07-31-2020, 01:07 PM
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The flat shoe thing is some Joe Rogan bullchit. 99% of experienced runners will tell you get evaluated, or to try out lines in Brooks, Hoka One One, Nike etc and the cushioning will be based on your goals as it pertains to speed and comfort.
post 1612202651 07-31-2020, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Cass40
Shesprints, since you're here, can you help me with something.

I have started running since Rona and can't do anything else. I don't jog fast or anything but I run like thirty minutes, then I walk back the same distance. I run on pavement.

Anyhow, I feel like crippled, like I can't even bend my knees to go to toilet most days. Do you have any tips? Maybe stretching more?
I've been running since rona too and was struggling with some knee pain initially.

I that stretching out my quads (couch stretch) every night and especially before a run the next day helped. And as a warm up I'll do bodyweight squats, walking lunges etc to grease up the knees.

I also try and get through limber 11 on rest days from lifting just for general mobility.

If your knees are giving you pain it's probably best to lay up a while until the soreness goes away and then starting again slowly.

When I started out i was really going at it and not focusing on form which didn't help.
post 1612203571 07-31-2020, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Sergis
run barefoot on gravel

wont take long till stepping toes first will become natural
Interdasting


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Originally Posted By DerkBezerk
I've been running since rona too and was struggling with some knee pain initially.

I that stretching out my quads (couch stretch) every night and especially before a run the next day helped. And as a warm up I'll do bodyweight squats, walking lunges etc to grease up the knees.

I also try and get through limber 11 on rest days from lifting just for general mobility.

If your knees are giving you pain it's probably best to lay up a while until the soreness goes away and then starting again slowly.

When I started out i was really going at it and not focusing on form which didn't help.
First time I went, I tore up my hamstring. I haven't run since I started lifting 2013. Now I'm getting used to it but it's still tough on my body. I have no idea if my form is good or bad.
post 1612206571 07-31-2020, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted By andres93
Interdasting


I'm actually looking to buy vibram fivefingers in for more reviews
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1612202411

cliffs: don't do it
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post 1612210521 07-31-2020, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By legbroke
Have read a bunch of books about running/running form in my time (was pretty into it in high school, have logged 1000+ miles barefoot).

Wouldn't worry too much about the shoe. Get something that feels good for you (try in the store and run around) and that's not ridiculously bulky. Switching to the more barefoot style is ideal, but I wouldn't expect a change of shoe (or lack thereof) to do all the work for you. Do some research and consciously try to improve your form. I also would not go barefoot/completely minimalist unless you're solely sticking to grass or another soft surface.


Style aside, you can mitigate a lot of the impact of running by focusing on 3 things:

1) Have your foot land underneath your hip/center of gravity. Your foot landing in front of you acts as a braking mechanism, and the consequent horizontal force will be sent up your leg.

2) Take 180 (170-190 really) steps per minute. This really shouldn't vary with your speed, unless you're really sprinting. Most people take strides that are too long and infrequent (i.e. they probably take ~130 steps per minute). Faster steps = shorter steps (speed maintained), which means less impact on your legs from giantass strides.

3) Good general posture. Chest up. Shoulders back. Lean at the ankles, not the hips. Useful metaphor I've heard is think of your shin angle as a gas pedal: the further forward you lean, the longer your strides will be (and given you should now have a constant stride frequency, this implies a faster pace).


Running barefoot on grass for ~10 minutes 2-3 times a week is definitely a good exercise for all runners (builds stabilizers n whatnot), but heel striking really isn't Satan.
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we 2010 now?



it will wreck you brah (ded srs)

don't do it
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post 1612463021 08-03-2020, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Cass40
Shesprints, since you're here, can you help me with something.

I have started running since Rona and can't do anything else. I don't jog fast or anything but I run like thirty minutes, then I walk back the same distance. I run on pavement.

Anyhow, I feel like crippled, like I can't even bend my knees to go to toilet most days. Do you have any tips? Maybe stretching more?
Just saw this. Are you running every day (you shouldn't--try every other day)? What kind of shoes are you wearing?

Yes, I recommend stretching (after you run). Also make sure your gait is okay. If you're heel-striking you're jarring the f*Ck out of your legs. You want to lean forward, take fast steps, and land softly on your midfoot.
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post 1612463701 08-03-2020, 12:42 PM
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Flat imo. Although if you find a nice pair of running shoes you think would work for casual, no harm in it m8
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post 1612466411 08-03-2020, 01:05 PM
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I need a podiatrist I've tried everything else.
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I use Brooks and Made in the USA New Balance 999s srs
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I love minimalist shoes, especially made by New Balance.

Since I started to run wearing them (five years?), no more knee pains for me.

The idea is whether you want your own muscles to protect your knees or the thick heel cushions to do that job on behalf of your own leg muscles.



The key is to toe-landing instead of heel landing.

Need some practices but definitely worth the effort.
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post 1612532961 08-04-2020, 04:29 AM
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Grey joggers tbh
post 1612535661 08-04-2020, 06:00 AM
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Been and done both.
Flat shoes Merrills with a vibram sole and normal running shoes e.g. with soft foam.

Its really doesnt matter as long as you follow the following Sage Running vid on HOW to actually run.
Helped me a lot as an oldcel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlvKMxPMr0
post 1612538561 08-04-2020, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Samraiwise
I love minimalist shoes, especially made by New Balance.

Since I started to run wearing them (five years?), no more knee pains for me.

The idea is whether you want your own muscles to protect your knees or the thick heel cushions to do that job on behalf of your own leg muscles.



The key is to toe-landing instead of heel landing.

Need some practices but definitely worth the effort.
+1 wise words from a wise man.
Originally Posted By DargeLick
Been and done both.
Flat shoes Merrills with a vibram sole and normal running shoes e.g. with soft foam.

Its really doesnt matter as long as you follow the following Sage Running vid on HOW to actually run.
Helped me a lot as an oldcel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlvKMxPMr0
Watched the vid, good tips...but wtf - at 2:50 he's talking about keeping your pelvis/hips forward - and says "like at the moment of deepest penetration" - I did a double take, was he really just talking about smashing as a cue for running form? Lol just seemed out of place in the rest of the 'serious' vid.

EDIT: after looking at the comments I see I wasn't the only one that heard that lol
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Originally Posted By shesprints
Just saw this. Are you running every day (you shouldn't--try every other day)? What kind of shoes are you wearing?

Yes, I recommend stretching (after you run). Also make sure your gait is okay. If you're heel-striking you're jarring the f*Ck out of your legs. You want to lean forward, take fast steps, and land softly on your midfoot.
Thank you! I did all this yesterday and feels better already. I think I was running too straight/upwards.

I have ASICS women's gel-excite 6 running shoes that I got from Amazon. They are comfy. I always have problem with my feet, toes get busted and nails fall off but not with these.
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Originally Posted By sunsean
+1 wise words from a wise man.



Watched the vid, good tips...but wtf - at 2:50 he's talking about keeping your pelvis/hips forward - and says "like at the moment of deepest penetration" - I did a double take, was he really just talking about smashing as a cue for running form? Lol just seemed out of place in the rest of the 'serious' vid.

EDIT: after looking at the comments I see I wasn't the only one that heard that lol
Yeah Lol. Gotta admit I thought the same thing!
Another miscer linked this vid in a thread a while ago which is where I came across it.
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cavemen ran on dirt not gravel or cement. I would rather have traditional running shoes with cushion.


but either way both sides - traditional or minimalists shoes, are geared towards something they have to sell. Shoe market was probably saturated, oh look more money for less shoe. IDK about that, but if you are going to do a lot of running, probably more important to have your gait and flexibility looked at by someone that knows what theyre doing to make sure youre doing all that you can to avoid injury.
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