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post 1612494151 08-03-2020, 05:52 PM
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i dont care about any of this. i think the entire world should declare war on china

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post 1612495231 08-03-2020, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By jakobi
lol at getting news from sky news.. They're anti-China
Chinese don't hate muslims...They hate extremists...They are over 30,000 mosques in China

mosques are not getting demolished. they're repairing/fixing them....
Kinda missing the point, everyone reporting on it is against China, here's what I said:
Originally Posted By kenjoshx
There're a lot of news outlets that reported on said leaked manual;I'll link one, but you can choose your favorite news agency and watch their report on it; they're all essentially reporting the same information. Again the goal is to delegitimize China, they don't give a sh!t about those muslims
You're right that the Chinese don't flat out hate other ethnic groups (not only Uighurs btw), but they definitely don't treat them equally. Yes, they hate extremist; also true there are actually 40'000 mosques in china, not 30k, half of which in Xinjiang. And I believe that some are getting demolished, not repaired; Google Earth is a hell of a thing (watch @ 1:30 to 1:50)

Originally Posted By DoctorKazama
The problems with education and security in the region are exactly what the CCP is trying to solve. The vast majority of uyghurs in the region cannot speak Mandarin (or even any chinese dialect). How do you expect to receive a decent education when you can't speak the language of the country you live in? Through these education camps, the Chinese government prioritizes the acquisition of Chinese language skills and a skilled trade that the uyghur citizens can then use to secure stable employment with.

The issue with security and violence in the region is a result of China's failure to assimilate the uyghurs in the past. This is what the CCP is currently trying to remedy. You have to understand the history of Central Asia; Take a look at other nations in the region, like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Before they were absorbed into the soviet union, the people were illiterate, uneducated, and prone to extremism. Through the Soviet Union's reeducation efforts (which is what China currently bases their model off of), they completely transformed the region. All of the former soviet countries in central asia today are secular, highly educated, safe nations.

Trying to distort China's efforts to assimilate ethnic minorities into "concentration camps" and claiming they're "worse than guantanamo" is laughable.
Now we're getting somewhere, I agree with everything you said above. Like I said, I understand the Chinese government's issue with possible Islamist extremism; I'm all too familiar with that in the Middle East and Chechnya, and know its poisonous effect. My only issue is withhowthe Chinese government are going about achieving their goal, I believe there are better ways to do this.
post 1612500251 08-03-2020, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted By kenjoshx
Now we're getting somewhere, I agree with everything you said above. Like I said, I understand the Chinese government's issue with possible Islamist extremism; I'm all too familiar with that in the Middle East and Chechnya, and know its poisonous effect. My only issue is withhowthe Chinese government are going about achieving their goal, I believe there are better ways to do this.
Ok?

And how do you think the Chinese government should go about handling this? What would you like to see done differently? There's been no evidence of any sort of mass mistreatment of uyghurs in these camps. Keep in mind that the quality of life in most rural Chinese villages isn't all that glamorous. Many of the people in these education camps are living much better than their peers.

Again, what do you think the Chinese government is doing wrong here? Right now, it just sounds like you're criticizing China just for the sake of criticizing China, like all the other brainwashed posters ITT.
post 1612500421 08-03-2020, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted By 4ea
i dont care about any of this. i think the entire world should declare war on china

srs
Solid logic. I can tell you're a well educated man and definitely not a low iq monkey who bases all his opinions and world views off emotions and propaganda...
post 1612500501 08-03-2020, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish
on a scale of george washington to chairman mao, how chinese are you, OPie?
and yet?
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post 1612501061 08-03-2020, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By DoctorKazama
Brah, did you drop out of school? Have you been writing all these dumb replies to me, without even understanding my original message? Where did I say that mistreatment of certain groups didn't exist in China? Mistreatment of certain groups exist in every nation. What are you trying to argue against here? Seems like you just didn't like the story I posted, so you're making personal attacks against the messenger (or "shill" as you would call it).

Sign up for some classes at your local community college, retard. I'm done trying to educate you.
Nobody cares about this story, astroturfing is what people do on Reddit, we weren't judging China by this but rather the countless other examples of human rights violations. So what's your point?

All I did was ask how we know you aren't a CCP shill and you got offended lol, it was not even an accusation. Look at this way, if Redditors were this skeptical they wouldn't have fallen for that.
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Originally Posted By DoctorKazama
Ok?

And how do you think the Chinese government should go about handling this? What would you like to see done differently? There's been no evidence of any sort of mass mistreatment of uyghurs in these camps. Keep in mind that the quality of life in most rural Chinese villages isn't all that glamorous. Many of the people in these education camps are living much better than their peers.

Again, what do you think the Chinese government is doing wrong here? Right now, it just sounds like you're criticizing China just for the sake of criticizing China, like all the other brainwashed posters ITT.
Why the abuse at all if they're only "re-education" camps? Video and CCP manual are pretty clear.

- Wow, you bemoan ppl for not listening to your "story", and when faced with a video depicting the leaked CCP manual of abuse, no sand is too deep to bury your head in.
- Not to mention that the abuse stories in the video alignexactlywith the stories real Uighurs are telling. Whatever the Chinese government is doing, it's obviously not doing a good enough job of suppressing these stories in its own country; cause I try to mind my own business, don't go out looking for those stories (I have my own life to live) and don't even speak Chinese, yet I still hear these stories from Chinese Uighur I meet; am I encountering too many CIA operatives? So get your propaganda story straight please
- And you go on to call me and every single person exceptin yourself "brainwashed"; as a general rule, not a good sign
- On a side note; don't talk about brainwashing again, you know full well what the Chinese education system does.

strong self-awareness
strong glass house
strong ostrich tactics
strong logic earns you a neg. Just what are you doing, m8?

I really hope none of you nor your family members ever have to go through those internment brainwashing camps or the complementary abuse.
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Originally Posted By DoctorKazama
Solid logic. I can tell you're a well educated man and definitely not a low iq monkey who bases all his opinions and world views off emotions and propaganda...
calling anyone who disagrees with you dumb is a failed argument. id try to explain to you why i feel the way i do, but being as i already dont like you il just put it like this...

fuk you
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CIA lying to make China look bad and China doing horrible things are not mutually exclusive concepts.
The problems with education and security in the region are exactly what the CCP is trying to solve. The vast majority of uyghurs in the region cannot speak Mandarin (or even any chinese dialect). How do you expect to receive a decent education when you can't speak the language of the country you live in? Through these education camps, the Chinese government prioritizes the acquisition of Chinese language skills and a skilled trade that the uyghur citizens can then use to secure stable employment with.
LOL I don't know, recognize minority languages and let them get educated in them like in most civilized nations?
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post 1612515611 08-03-2020, 09:51 PM
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As a Han Chinese (most likely), good riddance.

post 1612515631 08-03-2020, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By VTheKing
CIA lying to make China look bad and China doing horrible things are not mutually exclusive concepts.



LOL I don't know, recognize minority languages and let them get educated in them like in most civilized nations?
china being terrible and China running concentration camps for the whole population are also two very different things.
Saddam was terrible and he didn't have WMDs either.
LOL I don't know, recognize minority languages and them get educated in them like in most civilized nations?
You realize that's the reason why the majority of them don't speak Chinese right? Because they were allowed to run their own Uighur language schools that taught absolutely no Mandarin, well into early 2000s, which ultimately led to regionalism and separatism.
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Originally Posted By DoctorKazama
********************/@RobertArlan/a-re...a-1d667c098b77

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/commen...d_survivor_of/


She did multiple AMAs under different accounts too.



Cliffs:
-Woman posts thread on reddit claiming to be a uyghur who survived Chinese concentration camps
-Gets called out within hours for lying
-Edits OP and literally writes "I am not a CIA agent" lmao
-OP is outed as a CIA consultant/former fed who worked at Guantanamo under the Bush administration
-Doubles down and claims that prisoners at Guantanamo were treated better than the average uyghur living in Xinjiang. LMAO



LOL @ retards who still believe this lie and guzzle down every bit of western propaganda thrown at them.
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Anyone who has ever been to an Asian prison and an American one will tell you they'd rather commit suicide then go back. Chinese prisons are essentially concentration camps. The CCP loves silencing dissidents, like their good doctor who spoke out about the Chinese Flu, or the many people who try to speak freely about something they don't like but get thrown in prison.

The Reddit dude may be lying about personal experience, but China is not a kind country nor is it free of concentration camps.
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All the great powers of the worlds use propaganda and fake news.. USA, China and Russia are all evil to the core but if you go by numbers than the US is probably the most evil country in modern times but they do it with style unlike China lol..
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon
All the great powers of the worlds use propaganda and fake news.. USA, China and Russia are all evil to the core but if you go by numbers than the US is probably the most evil country in modern times but they do it with style unlike China lol..
I don't know much about Russia's history but for sure, the US is the most evil country in existence. That's a fact. We all know that the US is only 200 years old and that the land was already inhabited. They took the land and resources and amass a huge military, which would not be possible without the stealing the massive land.

China, they've never colonized a foreign country. What they have done, is try to unite their own people. IE tried to unite Vietnam, but the American'ts butted in, like dopey heads who don't know what they doing.
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Originally Posted By cptamerica59
Anyone who has ever been to an Asian prison and an American one will tell you they'd rather commit suicide then go back. Chinese prisons are essentially concentration camps. The CCP loves silencing dissidents, like their good doctor who spoke out about the Chinese Flu, or the many people who try to speak freely about something they don't like but get thrown in prison.

The Reddit dude may be lying about personal experience, but China is not a kind country nor is it free of concentration camps.
exactly this. the chinese govt has been putting the boot to their peoples throats for a long time. in the 60s they committed mass genocide to purge anyone who didnt fit their commie agenda. they destroyed art, and monuments, ended gun rights and put the strangle hold on the population. not only that, but they are trying to expand their territory and obviously buying off american politicians. you can see this in the actions of some like dianne feinstein who praised china recently.

i would have no problem if the chinese govt wanted to keep to themselves, but i feel like they are literally trying to take over the entire world.
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Originally Posted By JudgeRuby
china being terrible and China running concentration camps for the whole population are also two very different things.
Saddam was terrible and he didn't have WMDs either.


You realize that's the reason why the majority of them don't speak Chinese right? Because they were allowed to run their own Uighur language schools that taught absolutely no Mandarin, well into early 2000s, which ultimately led to regionalism and separatism.
So what? Canada has their own linguistic minority with a province to themselves who speak a different language, and who have voted to separate multiple times. If they want to **** off and vote as a local majority to have their own country, so be it. And Quebecers aren't even all that different from other Canadians. On the other hand Uighurs are Muslim Turks with a Silk Road culture who are far closer to neighboring Central Asian nations than Beijing-centric China. It makes way more sense for them to want a separate nation. Considering China deals with dissent by doing everything from demolishing places of worship to harvesting organs, it's hardly any wonder people who don't feel like the CCP represents them don't want to be a part of their state apparatus.
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