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post 1612598771 08-04-2020, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
The one sided salary game companies play is bullchit.

BRB we already have a salary band in mind.

BRB no we can't tell you what it is.

BRB give us your number first or this interview can't move forward.

BRB no, we want all the cards inourhand.

CA is a cuckified state and every state representative should be hung from a lamppost for trying to convince 5yo kids that they're little girls trapped in a boy's body.... that being said, anything that takes ammo away from the employer in this stupid fukkin game is a net positive IMO.
If you actually are wanted badly/have extremely desired skills, YOU have all the cards and dictate the negotiations.
post 1612599461 08-04-2020, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩
As someone who does a lot of hiring, I can tell you that every bit of information I can get about you will help determine what you are going to get for a salary offer. If I know what your salary history is, you have zero leverage in a negotiation. I wouldn't ask, but I would ask what your salary expectations are.
Not true at all - you have leverage if you are willing to walk away and the company wants you.

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Example.

OP makes 100k at a software firm.

Interview at new company - they REALLY like OP, think he is perfect for the role, his skillset is relevant, and they are having trouble finding people at his caliber

Offer him 120k

He says no - I only will work for you for over 200k

"well thats a more than 100% increase on your salary......"

"Ok fine, you can try and find someone else then, my offer is firm". OP will legit walk away because he has other companies also wanting to hire him badly.

Company realizes they will have to waste another 3 months interviewing new candidates

Company gets CFO to approve a 225-250k pay band (at end of day 100k extra is nothing to most companies).

Matches OPs offer and OP accepts
post 1612599831 08-04-2020, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By climberbrah⏩
If you actually are wanted badly/have extremely desired skills, YOU have all the cards and dictate the negotiations.
That is really the only thing that matters to OPs thread. If you have skills that are in demand you run the negotiations and the employer knows that. If you don't, the employer runs the negotiations.

I guess the answer here is to get in demand skills.
post 1612600141 08-04-2020, 06:42 PM
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In CA employers are required to tell you the salary range for the position as well.
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post 1612600261 08-04-2020, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
That is really the only thing that matters to OPs thread. If you have skills that are in demand you run the negotiations and the employer knows that. If you don't, the employer runs the negotiations.

I guess the answer here is to get in demand skills.
Exactly. Also, if there are people with similar skills and equally wanted by the company willing to go for less - then you lose the leverage. But if you are truly wanted by the company, you control them.


People would be better off developing wanted SKILLS than studying negotiating tactics. Most people that complain about salary questions/histories don't have truly desired skills yet.
post 1612600771 08-04-2020, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
The reason they're doing this is to try to correct the gender wage gap. Which the real reason for is because women in the past took time off to raise kids. Although it was fun to go out drinking with coworkers and such, I'm really glad I don't work in a company anymore. My salary is strictly a product of my own negotiations.
gender wage gap is a myth. if it was real, then all of the men that are earning women salaries have been mis-gendered
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post 1612600911 08-04-2020, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
It's especially fun when you have multiple offers and can play them against each other.

Most people don't like negotiating but the offer stage is the strongest bargaining position you'll ever be at your job so load up on requirements imo
Exactly, how do you think someone like Gerrit Cole was able to get the Yankees to pay him so much. He had a desired skill.....there was NO ONE available at his level of skills. Other parties wanted him.....PERFECT STORM to bend backwards a team to pay him way more than they wanted.
post 1612601131 08-04-2020, 06:52 PM
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i asked an applicant today what he made at his last job and he dodged the question lol

it's kind of a bullchit question, but i wanted to see if what we were offering would be plausibly accepted
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post 1612604091 08-04-2020, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i asked an applicant today what he made at his last job and he dodged the question lol

it's kind of a bullchit question, but i wanted to see if what we were offering would be plausibly accepted
Lol what would you have done if he only worked for 30K and your position offfering was around $60K would you lower? I felt like my one old supervisor would be getting a bonus if he lowballed that's why people with more experience than me were getting paid less.
post 1612604381 08-04-2020, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Lol what would you have done if he only worked for 30K and your position offfering was around $60K would you lower? I felt like my one old supervisor would be getting a bonus if he lowballed that's why people with more experience than me were getting paid less.
nah, i'd pay the same no matter what.

i told him the pay structure, so as a sales guy it would be up to him to decide his pay, gnome saiyan
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post 1612604461 08-04-2020, 07:28 PM
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I don't see a reason why we need a law for this since we have vast information about job titles and salaries in the internet. It would have made more sense 20 years ago
post 1612609981 08-04-2020, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
The only time I wasn't asked was when I was desperate and using Robert Half. But that's because they do it all behind the scenes without the applicant.

Every job I have always been asked and at these two "veteran owned" businesses I was asked over the phone and the initial email about what's my salary history.

U wot m8
Exactly as I said earlier, and by other people. That's 'wot'.

I mean, if you (since you mention Big 4) want to go to one of the hiring "summits", all they are going to do there is try to low-ball people to come in and do those 80+ hours for pittance pay. Probably burn you out after a few years. Then they rinse and repeat.

As someone who sits on interview panels - we know what our range is, and we have looked at peoples' CVs. If someone is "overqualified", the person isn't invited for an interview. If the person is "underqualified" - the same. Never have we said after the fact "the guy was working at a video store part time during his undergrad so instead of 65K starting let's offer him 40K since for sure it's a step up". That isn't how it works.
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This law has been in effect in CA since 2017 or 2018
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post 1612610271 08-04-2020, 08:29 PM
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I have no problems with states enacting laws that prohibit companies for asking for salary history. What a person made at their previous position has no bearing on the position they’re applying for.

Next up, they need to make it so salaries are adjusted yearly for inflation.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i asked an applicant today what he made at his last job and he dodged the question lol

it's kind of a bullchit question, but i wanted to see if what we were offering would be plausibly accepted
Why not ask him what his compensation expectations are?
post 1612615121 08-04-2020, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
Why not ask him what his compensation expectations are?
Many places make the excuse that they can't gauge whether the applicant would be a good fit for the position that way.

That was the whole of the ban, to force employers to ask what their expectations are.
post 1612615291 08-04-2020, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted By AtomicVeggie⏩
This law has been in effect in CA since 2017 or 2018
I am asking about it now. I asked about 2 years ago and basically everyone said that we are all babies dependent on the gubmint. I guess the misc back in the day liked it when businesses were dependent on the government, but not employees like me. Go figure
post 1612615621 08-04-2020, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted By IronProdigy⏩
I don't see a reason why we need a law for this since we have vast information about job titles and salaries in the internet. It would have made more sense 20 years ago
Honestly people should use the BLS website. But I remember using that as a point of reference being younger and inexperienced and that didn't work lol

I know some companies hire a consultant firm that puts their salary info into a database and everyone who wants this info also.hsd their info put into the database. It's probably only ****ty companies that use it because I got lowballed when companies use that.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Many places make the excuse that they can't gauge whether the applicant would be a good fit for the position that way.

That was the whole of the ban, to force employers to ask what their expectations are.
The company’s that say that are being shady. It’s simply illogical to gauge a person’s ability to do a job based on the compensation that he is receiving at his current/previous job as there are a myriad of reasons why that person is working at that compensation.
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Good ban. Im never providing my ex tobe salary to future employers- I negotiate to be accepted with my skillset and salary reqs for any future position.
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
The company’s that say that are being shady. It’s simply illogical to gauge a person’s ability to do a job based on the compensation that he is receiving at his current/previous job as there are a myriad of reasons why that person is working at that compensation.
Anything HR or people doing the hiring say is shady. It's like when I was told a 3% raise is really good lol Unless they flat out give your what you want I don't trust anything they say about money.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Anything HR or people doing the hiring say is shady. It's like when I was told a 3% raise is really good lol Unless they flat out give your what you want I don't trust anything they say about money.
Especially if you think about it, a 3% merit increase is really only a 1.19% increase since the 2019 inflation rate was 1.81%.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Regarding #1 they can avoid candidates who cost more than expected by just stating the salary in the job ad

$50k-70k

That solves everything

Unlike staff accountant: Wage: Competitive
However, it negates #2 and lets their competition know where they are.
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
Exactly as I said earlier, and by other people. That's 'wot'.

I mean, if you (since you mention Big 4) want to go to one of the hiring "summits", all they are going to do there is try to low-ball people to come in and do those 80+ hours for pittance pay. Probably burn you out after a few years. Then they rinse and repeat.

As someone who sits on interview panels - we know what our range is, and we have looked at peoples' CVs. If someone is "overqualified", the person isn't invited for an interview. If the person is "underqualified" - the same. Never have we said after the fact "the guy was working at a video store part time during his undergrad so instead of 65K starting let's offer him 40K since for sure it's a step up". That isn't how it works.
Damn dude you negged me for what, exactly? I agree with your first part. And good on your for the 2nd part. How am I supposed to respond to this?
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