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post 1613161821 08-10-2020, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
I was surprised to see so many parents of older teens and young adults in attendance, and delightfully surprised to see so many men (note: full attendance was hidden to prevent doxxing, so I only saw who chose to use an avi in the Discord chat). One mother and activist, Lynn Meagher, spoke at length about losing both her son and daughter to what she perceives to be a cult.

Several speakers had me completely on board with what they were saying, but I'm still noodling on the idea that euphemistic phrases like "trans identifying males" or "trans women" shouldn't even be entertained. One particular speaker believed that adopting these terms deliberately obfuscates and confuses, and argued that women in particular should rely on their own perception and not be coerced into using this fake language. She referenced Andrea Dworkin's work aroundthe "male power of naming," and that very time we say "trans women" or even "trans identifying" we are supporting every bit of bullchit and harm being done to us and others. Instead, she advocated for "men who demand I recognize them as women." Not so sure that I agree TBH. Thots?

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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
I didn't hear anything about violent phallic forms. I did hear about men reacting to women's words with violence, though. That's a real thing that happens and I'm glad it was talked about.
huh I wonder why.

You've been attacking masculinity while not taking responsibility for this identity rhetoric and you're here now with a straight face acting like it has nothing to do with third wave feminism.

Was feminism hijacked? sure, but acting like it wasn't just puts you in the same boat as them.

Every worthy cause in this country has been trojan horsed in our country by special interests that do not serve their stated purpose.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
huh I wonder why.

You've been attacking masculinity while not taking responsibility for this identity rhetoric and you're here now with a straight face acting like it has nothing to do with third wave feminism.

Was feminism hijacked? sure, but acting like it wasn't just puts you in the same boat as them.

Every worthy cause in this country has been trojan horsed in our country by special interests that do not serve their stated purpose.
I've mentioned how misguided liberal feminists are. I didn't act like it wasn't. I'm equally confused how you feel I've been attacking masculinity. If you're talking about men reacting violently towards women's words, that is the truth. Men attack lesbians at dyke marches. Men wear shirts that say "Punch TERFS." It's also true that the men who do these things are men who are pretending to be women, but they are still men. Saying so is not an attack on masculinity.

I think you misunderstand what I mean (or what Dworkin meant) about the male power of naming. Men are demanding that we change words for their feelings. Those words have meaning. Men knew what women meant when women were not allowed to vote. Men knew that giving words like chinamen and savages had meaning. There is power in naming, and narcissistic men know that.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
The pediatric endocrinologist discussed a lot of myths about suicide rates and brain development. I tried to furiously take notes, here's what I got out of it:

There is no test to determine what their gender is. It's always perceived, astate of mind. Anatomical reasons for gender are failures. Comparing brain structure to average female versus trans woman is futile, thee is no female brain in a male body and vice versa because gender is not a biologic state.

Denying affirmation leads to increased suicide = myth.

There is brain plasticity. Our brains get molded by our experiences which are inevitably gendered experiences. Human brain plasticity is really overlooked, it's something that makes humans unique from other mammals because it's possible throughout our lives and actually causes physical changes... So even comparisons to other animals re:gender are in a sense false comparisons due to brain plasticity, and responding to society/culture. Brain scans can't account for the social aspect.

The other endocrinologist mostly spoke about his experience detransitioning. Also, it was after 10pm by that point, I was barely hanging on.
Cool thanks. I haven't seen it mentioned so I'll point out that there is a real problem with with survival bias. A population of transpersons with varied but static suicide risks would show the same numbers given that it is more likely that you have transitioned the older you are and also that the older you are, the more likely is it that your suicide risk was lower to begin with.

The question that should be at the center of this discussion: "Does transitioning cause better psychological wellbeing and fewer years lost to suicide"I still don't know. To me a perfectly reasonable question, but how come we are still stuck with very low quality evidence?

and JFL at the reading comprehension of some of you.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Honestly, I struggle with that. There is a place for empathy and compassion, but there is also a certain point where this feels like....I don't know, gaslighting? Like, you're a man. I look at you with my eyeballs and know that you are a man. No amount of affirmation is going to change that.


Imagine for a second attending 350 hours of seminars on something that doesn't really affect your life. Spending countless hours on a bodybuilding forum debating this issue. Planning your potential future interactions with random mentally ill people as if it is some moral obligation and going to have an impact on the world. Oh wait you don't have to imagine that at all... This is literally what you're doing with your life. Literally.

You are just as mentally ill as the trans people with whom you've become obsessed. I think it's time for you to take stock of your own life and really assess what's wrong that you feel the need to do these things, and fix that chit... Cause this ain't it buddy boyo lady.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
I've mentioned how misguided liberal feminists are. I didn't act like it wasn't. I'm equally confused how you feel I've been attacking masculinity. If you're talking about men reacting violently towards women's words, that is the truth. Men attack lesbians at dyke marches. Men wear shirts that say "Punch TERFS." It's also true that the men who do these things are men who are pretending to be women, but they are still men. Saying so is not an attack on masculinity.

I think you misunderstand what I mean (or what Dworkin meant) about the male power of naming. Men are demanding that we change words for their feelings. Those words have meaning. Men knew what women meant when women were not allowed to vote. Men knew that giving words like chinamen and savages had meaning. There is power in naming, and narcissistic men know that.
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I don't think there's a real need for gender expression outside of potentially transgenderism. The fact that gender identity exists beyond transgenderism with a plethora of arbitrary choices and labels is enough to tell me that it isn't really about gender identity. It's about something else. What that something else is is variable and is up for discussion. But I don't think there's a valid need to identify as one of the 64+ genders. Trying to rationalize it would just be pure mental gymnastics.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Imagine for a second attending 350 hours of seminars on something that doesn't really affect your life. Spending countless hours on a bodybuilding forum debating this issue. Planning your potential future interactions with random mentally ill people as if it is some moral obligation and going to have an impact on the world. Oh wait you don't have to imagine that at all... This is literally what you're doing with your life. Literally.

You are just as mentally ill as the trans people with whom you've become obsessed. I think it's time for you to take stock of your own life and really assess what's wrong that you feel the need to do these things, and fix that chit... Cause this ain't it buddy boyo lady.
fukn lol.

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what is a terf
trans exclusionary radical feminist.

jk rowling would be a high profile example and google for lols.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Imagine for a second attending 350 hours of seminars on something that doesn't really affect your life. Spending countless hours on a bodybuilding forum debating this issue. Planning your potential future interactions with random mentally ill people as if it is some moral obligation and going to have an impact on the world. Oh wait you don't have to imagine that at all... This is literally what you're doing with your life. Literally.

You are just as mentally ill as the trans people with whom you've become obsessed. I think it's time for you to take stock of your own life and really assess what's wrong that you feel the need to do these things, and fix that chit... Cause this ain't it buddy boyo lady.
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Only question I need to ask is why did you actually do it?

You had to have gotten paid a substantial amount to listen to the mentally handicapped talk about their reasons as to why they're so fuked up in the head
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i was against all this trans chit until i found that feminazis aka terfs like the OP are scared of tranny rights taking away from theirs and drowning out their voice


anything that threatens radical feminism is alright with me, as they have proven to be the most destructive force to our civilization in the very short time since their inception

and 0.5% trannies don't really affect anybody, as long as we don't allow kids to transition, trannies and all the other abc people that threaten radical feminists have my full support
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Originally Posted By chaddam⏩
i was against all this trans chit until i found that feminazis aka terfs like the OP are scared of tranny rights taking away from theirs and drowning out their voice


anything that threatens radical feminism is alright with me, as they have proven to be the most destructive force to our civilization in the very short time since their inceptiont
Look at the surnames of the speakers at the conference... that explains it all.

Trying to do damage control on their satanic social experiment but only on the part that affects their them and their daughters.

“I love the alphabet people. But please don’t creep me out in the washroom or threaten my daughter’s scholarship!!!”

Scheming *******s.

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Show me a father of a teenage daughter who would be okay with a grown man who is mid transition enter a women's dressing room, stripping naked and showering. Until this situation happens I don't care what someone does with their life, just don't flaunt it in my face 24/7.
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Originally Posted By 3basic5me⏩
Look at the surnames of the speakers at the conference... that explains it all.

Trying to do damage control on their satanic social experiment but only on the part that affects their them and their daughters.

“I love the alphabet people. But please don’t creep me out in the washroom or threaten my daughter’s scholarship!!!”

Scheming *******s.
most of them look disgusting and unphuckable, talking about feminazis / terfs
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Originally Posted By ChangeOfStyle⏩
Only question I need to ask is why did you actually do it?

You had to have gotten paid a substantial amount to listen to the mentally handicapped talk about their reasons as to why they're so fuked up in the head
I'm guessing you didnt' read? or do you actually think that physicians discussing the dangers of transitioning children is fuked up in the head
Originally Posted By chaddam⏩
most of them look disgusting and unphuckable, it must drive them phucking crazy that ugly incels manage to look more feminine than them after slapping on a wig jfl
you gay as fuk cuz
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Originally Posted By chaddam⏩
most of them look disgusting and unphuckable, it must drive them phucking crazy that ugly incels manage to look more feminine than them after slapping on a wig jfl
so you're a ******* huh
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nah, i am not even into trannies but if you wanna stick your dick in this




than you're worse than a *******
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Originally Posted By Bcl2⏩
I'm guessing you didnt' read? or do you actually think that physicians discussing the dangers of transitioning children is fuked up in the head
Honestly at this point it wouldn't even matter because the whole debate would not even reach a conclusion because it's human instinct to always be correct
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Originally Posted By ChangeOfStyle⏩
Honestly at this point it wouldn't even matter because the whole debate would not even reach a conclusion because it's human instinct to always be correct
It does when the majority of medical experts bend to the trans lobby because they'e scared of being cancelled. Physicians are telling parents that transitioning their kids is the right thing to do to prevent suicidal outcome which isn't evidence based. I get what you're saying about human instinct and you're not wrong but loud fringe activists have strongarmed common sense. You're thinking too simply if you don't think it's worth discussing
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Originally Posted By Bcl2⏩
It does when the majority of medical experts bend to the trans lobby because they'e scared of being cancelled. Physicians are telling parents that transitioning their kids is the right thing to do to prevent suicidal outcome which isn't evidence based. I get what you're saying about human instinct and you're not wrong but loud fringe activists have strongarmed common sense. You're thinking too simply if you don't think it's worth discussing
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornel...gender-people/

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That vagina surgery is stll fuked though.
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Originally Posted By hockeyman1⏩
That vagina surgery is stll fuked though.
like someone stuck an M80 in a club sandwich...
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Spot on.

I do feel like now women are waking up and fighting back. It’s truly heartening the incredible influx of new younger members, riveting debate and passion that has been ignited in the feminist sect with the dismantling of everything our foremothers fought for.
I think so too! I was pleasantly surprised with how young the demographics of the audience seemed to be, although that statement has a tech bias. I'm also really glad to see so many men getting involved, it's so refreshing! Men can be such amazing people and allies, I will never understand how people think anything we talk about is anti-male or whatever.
You are an inspiring lady Red. You can be much kinder than I can be. We are all gunna make it.
Well that's nice to hear, and right back atcha!I'm not sure how nice I am though, still deciding if I'm more astonished by men pretending that sex-based rights aren't needed, or by the hordes of illiterate miscers. I've been trying to keep the snark to a bare minimum but good Lord is it hard.
Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Imagine for a second attending 350 hours of seminars on something that doesn't really affect your life. Spending countless hours on a bodybuilding forum debating this issue. Planning your potential future interactions with random mentally ill people as if it is some moral obligation and going to have an impact on the world. Oh wait you don't have to imagine that at all... This is literally what you're doing with your life. Literally.

You are just as mentally ill as the trans people with whom you've become obsessed. I think it's time for you to take stock of your own life and really assess what's wrong that you feel the need to do these things, and fix that chit... Cause this ain't it buddy boyo lady.
You know, I used to think similarly, that anyone leaning into one particular issue was probably just letting the frenzied barking dogs get to them, and I do agree that sometimes people hyperfocus when they are not thriving. This is an issue that has affected my life and people I care about. Maybe you feel that way because I haven't given specific examples of how it has, but those examples are so specific that I worry disclosing is risky, which is kind of telling in itself. It isn't "potential future interactions," though I wish it were! Women are not mentally ill for discussing topics that impact us.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
what is a terf
The TERF thing is explained here:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1613026741
Originally Posted By thunderykoala⏩
I don't think there's a real need for gender expression outside of potentially transgenderism. The fact that gender identity exists beyond transgenderism with a plethora of arbitrary choices and labels is enough to tell me that it isn't really about gender identity. It's about something else. What that something else is is variable and is up for discussion. But I don't think there's a valid need to identify as one of the 64+ genders. Trying to rationalize it would just be pure mental gymnastics.
I think that leads to a deeper discussion about what gender expression actually is. The couple of times someone has taken the time to try and explain it to me, it all just sounded like a whole bunch of regressive gender mumbo jumbo.
Originally Posted By ChangeOfStyle⏩
Only question I need to ask is why did you actually do it?

You had to have gotten paid a substantial amount to listen to the mentally handicapped talk about their reasons as to why they're so fuked up in the head
I think it's important to hear from doctors how dangerous transitioning kids is, the legal impacts of redefining sex, how women's and girl's sports are being systematically eliminated, the medical ethics around self diagnosing, to hear from parents who have lost their children to a cult, etc. There really aren't any other spaces or platforms to hear these people speak besides the occasional podcast. Not much is worse than an uninformed person with strong opinions, so I went to learn

I listened to maybe 3/4 of it, admittedly most of it while multitasking, but I don't think any person was mentally handicapped or fuked up in the head. Would you like to share more about why you believe this was the case?
Originally Posted By chaddam⏩
i was against all this trans chit until i found that feminazis aka terfs like the OP are scared of tranny rights taking away from theirs and drowning out their voice


anything that threatens radical feminism is alright with me, as they have proven to be the most destructive force to our civilization in the very short time since their inception

and 0.5% trannies don't really affect anybody, as long as we don't allow kids to transition, trannies and all the other abc people that threaten radical feminists have my full support
You're not alone, that sentiment has been shared many times by men here and I respect anyone who comes out and admits it instead of ridiculous obfuscating concern trolling. Women need to realize that many men despise them, and they'll only get it through their thick skulls when they see it written in front of them.
Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
Show me a father of a teenage daughter who would be okay with a grown man who is mid transition enter a women's dressing room, stripping naked and showering. Until this situation happens I don't care what someone does with their life, just don't flaunt it in my face 24/7.
Oh, it does happen. Maybe not in your neck of the woods yet, but it does happen.

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That vagina surgery is stll fuked though.
It's a little weird, but mostly irrelevant to me. Adults can do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on others. I guess one could make the argument that it's taking resources away from already underfunded healthcare programs, probably in the UK, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to hold an opinion.
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Cristan Williams: You spoke about the surgical intervention many trans people undergo as a “very brave transformation.” Can you talk about that?

Judith Butler: It is always brave to insist on undergoing transformations that feel necessary and right even when there are so many obstructions to doing so, including people and institutions whos seek to pathologize or criminalize such important acts of self-definition. I know that for some feels less brave than necessary, but we all have to defend those necessities that allow us to live and breathe in the way that feels right to us. Surgical intervention can be precisely what a trans person needs – it is also not always what a trans person needs. Either way, one should be free to determine the course of one’s gendered life.



CW: I think it’s safe to say that many gender theorists are controversial in one way or another. Some have lumped your work together with the work of gender theorists such as Sheila Jeffreys, who wrote:

[Transsexual surgery] could be likened to political psychiatry in the Soviet Union. I suggest that transsexualism should best be seen in this light, as directly political, medical abuse of human rights. The mutilation of healthy bodies and the subjection of such bodies to dangerous and life-threatening continuing treatment violates such people’s rights to live with dignity in the body into which they were born, what Janice Raymond refers to as their “native” bodies. It represents an attack on the body to rectify a political condition, “gender” dissatisfaction in a male supremacist society based upon a false and politically constructed notion of gender difference… Recent literature on transsexualism in the lesbian community draws connections with the practices of sadomasochism.

Can you talk about the ways in which your views might differ?

JB: I have never agreed with Sheila Jeffreys or Janice Raymond, and for many years have been on quite the contrasting side of feminist debates. She appoints herself to the position of judge, and she offers a kind of feminist policing of trans lives and trans choices. I oppose this kind of prescriptivism, which seems me to aspire to a kind of feminist tyranny.
If she makes use of social construction as a theory to support her view, she very badly misunderstands its terms. In her view, a trans person is “constructed” by a medical discourse and therefore is the victim of a social construct. But this idea of social constructs does not acknowledge that all of us, as bodies, are in the active position of figuring out how to live with and against the constructions – or norms – that help to form us. We form ourselves within the vocabularies that we did not choose, and sometimes we have to reject those vocabularies, or actively develop new ones. For instance, gender assignment is a “construction” and yet many genderqueer and trans people refuse those assignments in part or in full. That refusal opens the way for a more radical form of self-determination, one that happens in solidarity with others who are undergoing a similar struggle.

One problem with that view of social construction is that it suggests that what trans people feel about what their gender is, and should be, is itself “constructed” and, therefore, not real.And then the feminist police comes along to expose the construction and dispute a trans person’s sense of their lived reality. I oppose this use of social construction absolutely, and consider it to be a false, misleading, and oppressive use of the theory.

CW: Recently, Gloria Steinem wrote:

So now I want to be unequivocal in my words: I believe that transgender people, including those who have transitioned, are living out real, authentic lives. Those lives should be celebrated, not questioned. Their health care decisions should be theirs and theirs alone to make. And what I wrote decades ago does not reflect what we know today as we move away from only the binary boxes of “masculine” or “feminine” and begin to live along the full human continuum of identity and expression.

Would you comment on Steinem’s statement?

JB: I agree completely that nothing is more important for transgender people than to have access to excellent health care in trans-affirmative environments,to have the legal and institutional freedom to pursue their own lives as they wish, and to have their freedom and desire affirmed by the rest of the world.This will happen only when transphobia is overcome at the level of individual attitudes and prejudices and in larger institutions of education, law, health care, and kinship.
cliffs: no step on snake, call people whatever u want and deal with what happens next.


as a white phuckin male i dont mind what i see as infighting among the oppressed. i wait and see what wins out and superficially align myself thusly.
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
in which judith butler ethers redraider and cheshire cat:



cliffs: no step on snake, call people whatever u want and deal with what happens next.


as a white phuckin male i dont mind what i see as infighting among the oppressed. i wait and see what wins out and superficially align myself thusly.
It honestly is pretty funny, you'd have to be a humorless nitwit to not look at this mess and laugh.

What the actual fuk is lived reality. As opposed to what, exactly? Cracks me up anytime I hear "lived experiences" or "lived reality." Last I checked, we're all living here. I don't police trans lives or choices, because I'm not a raging narc. Adults can do whatever they'd like to do with their bodies. That does not change their sex.

Naomi Wolf recently said that she actually, totally, for realisies, wrote The Beauty Myth for men.



I swear to God, the vast majority of these self-proclaimed feminists are absolute morons. Third wave bullchit.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Imagine for a second attending 350 hours of seminars on something that doesn't really affect your life. Spending countless hours on a bodybuilding forum debating this issue. Planning your potential future interactions with random mentally ill people as if it is some moral obligation and going to have an impact on the world. Oh wait you don't have to imagine that at all... This is literally what you're doing with your life. Literally.

You are just as mentally ill as the trans people with whom you've become obsessed. I think it's time for you to take stock of your own life and really assess what's wrong that you feel the need to do these things, and fix that chit... Cause this ain't it buddy boyo lady.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
It honestly is pretty funny, you'd have to have zero sense of humor to not look at this mess and laugh.

What the actual fuk is lived reality. As opposed to what, exactly? Cracks me up anytime I hear "lived experiences" or "lived reality." Last I checked, we're all living here. I don't police trans lives or choices, because I'm not a raging narc. Adults can do whatever they'd like to do with their bodies. That does not change their sex.

Naomi Wolfe recently said that she actually, totally, for realisies, wrote The Beauty Myth for men.



I swear to God, the vast majority of these self-proclaimed feminists are absolute morons. Third wave bullchit.
butler isnt third wave, and you probably sound like men who said "honest to god this is second wave bullchit"

my intuition is to agree w you, but i feel like some of these feminists can see the writing on the wall, that dying on this hill is the path to #cancelled. if these institutions are as endemic as you imagine then combating then by saying women have ovaries as opposedsubsumingseems like a waste of energy

sometimes you seem to say, one one hand, everyone should stop whining, while on the other hand this is a mans world- this seems inconsistent
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
butler isnt third wave, and you probably sound like men who said "honest to god this is second wave bullchit"

my intuition is to agree w you, but i feel like some of these feminists can see the writing on the wall, that dying on this hill is the path to #cancelled. if these institutions are as endemic as you imagine then combating then by saying women have ovaries as opposedsubsumingseems like a waste of energy

sometimes you seem to say, one one hand, everyone should stop whining, while on the other hand this is a mans world- this seems inconsistent
That's your intuition because it's sane and reasonable, normal people agree with me. I don't necessarily believe it's a man's world, in fact I'd argue that I'm successful because I do not believe that. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for anyone who sits back does nothing and then complains, I guess I can see how some of this appears whiney but to me it's more like....here's what's going on, here's what I learned, and if people want to respond I'm happy to converse with them. You and I have gone back and forth a bit with the bait and I think we'd both agree that's all in good fun.

It is the path to being cancelled, see these fun screenshots I was PM'd by a multi this morning lol

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ok i have a more deeper intuition (im a moron) that everything is comodified, which is to say everything is a product to be sold. trannies have their dicks cut off, theres a product. tranny flags, theres a product. you know how don draper is like "this one's TOASTED" and buddy says they are all toasted and don says it doesnt matter. thats whats happening with all these cancellations. THAT company is transphobic and we arent.

so if there's such a thing as a "return to ""normative"" values" then there has to be a market for it. it seems like theres probably a huge market for it, but that has to be the approach. "that company is fukking insane"

the abstraction layer of capitalism is far more fundamental than any social movement, thats what im tryna say
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
ok i have a more deeper intuition (im a moron) that everything is comodified, which is to say everything is a product to be sold. trannies have their dicks cut off, theres a product. tranny flags, theres a product. you know how don draper is like "this one's TOASTED" and buddy says they are all toasted and don says it doesnt matter. thats whats happening with all these cancellations. THAT company is transphobic and we arent.

so if there's such a thing as a "return to ""normative"" values" then there has to be a market for it. it seems like theres probably a huge market for it, but that has to be the approach. "that company is fukking insane"

the abstraction layer of capitalism is far more fundamental than any social movement, thats what im tryna say
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I actually have read people who think that way, beyond the liberals / women's bodies comment above. I think it was Melissa Farley but I could be wrong about that. Just looked her up, dead ringer for Merry Berry!
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
It honestly is pretty funny, you'd have to be a humorless nitwit to not look at this mess and laugh.

What the actual fuk is lived reality. As opposed to what, exactly? Cracks me up anytime I hear "lived experiences" or "lived reality." Last I checked, we're all living here. I don't police trans lives or choices, because I'm not a raging narc. Adults can do whatever they'd like to do with their bodies. That does not change their sex.

Naomi Wolf recently said that she actually, totally, for realisies, wrote The Beauty Myth for men.



I swear to God, the vast majority of these self-proclaimed feminists are absolute morons. Third wave bullchit.
Women's rights and spaces should be protected, but are neutral bathrooms and the right to get reassignment surgery in extreme cases where the person is suicidal really that awful? Sure once in a while we see those "did u just call me sir" types, but there are a lot of others who aren't like that.

I also dispute this notion that there is no difference between a male and a female brain. I've seen studies that showed levels of various proteins were different. And ofc male brains are generally much larger due to head size alone. If a machine learning algorithm can cluster brains into male or female with 90% accuracy, then clearly there are differences. There are strong theoretical reasons why there ought to be a difference between a male and a female brain. There is simply no way these differences are merely plastic responses.

For example, the behavior of baby boys and girls generally differs substantially. I know this is a hotly contested issue in science central to whether trans really exist. More research needs to come out to really show a smoking gun difference but there is good reason to believe it is there. You can find doctors who disagree and doctors who agree.
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