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Srs how can you realistically fix the homelessness problem?
08-18-2020, 08:35 AM
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if you are homeless and fail a drug test/breathalyzer, mandatory euthanasia. if mentally ill, also euthansia. if can be rehabilitated (small portion) do something to give them a better shot.
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08-18-2020, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
You will never stop it completely, but having a market flooded with it and the ability to buy it online sure reduces the price and makes it easy to encounter.You can fit a million doses of ******** inside a shoe box and it's odorless. You'll never stop it.
I have heard the argument they are replicating their defeat in the Opium Wars and have a hard time not believing their government is behind a lot of the drugs.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
Your buddy is right.My buddy volunteered once a week at some hobo assistance thing for God knows what reason for a couple years and he said less than 5% could be even remotely helped or rehabilitated.
Libs will tell you it's a cost of living issue (while raising taxes) but that's utter nonsense.
Libs will tell you it's a cost of living issue (while raising taxes) but that's utter nonsense.
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08-18-2020, 10:05 AM
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The issue of homelessness isn’t really an issue of homelessness.. it’s an issue of drug addiction.
I don’t have the stats on hand, but here in Canada some whopppingly high % of homeless are addicted to heavy drugs such as heroin or crack and are in the situation they are in as a direct result of those drugs.
If you can find a solution to drug abuse then you will have fixed homelessness. Srs.
I don’t have the stats on hand, but here in Canada some whopppingly high % of homeless are addicted to heavy drugs such as heroin or crack and are in the situation they are in as a direct result of those drugs.
If you can find a solution to drug abuse then you will have fixed homelessness. Srs.
08-18-2020, 10:08 AM
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08-18-2020, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted By EnochsProphecy⏩
You have a point on this one. I'm totally behind having safety related building standards and not allowing stuff like heavy industry or strip clubs to locate next to family homes. But zoning goes way beyond that to essentially keep out anyone not rich enough to be considered acceptable- square footage requirements, roof pitch, exterior materials, etc.make it easier to construct new homes, instead of needing paperwork for every little detail, making it really expensive to build new homes. Sadly a lot of politicians and people in local government make their money off real-estate so this will never happen.
Sure you can find an inexpensive lot here and there. However you likely won't be allowed to build a modest '50s style ranch house on the site and will have to build a McMansion style home that hits a minimum sq. footage, has brick/stone exterior, etc.
Just dropping "single family" for something that allows 2 to 3 residences on a lot provided that all other rule are met (maximum built area, minimum setbacks, etc.) would help.
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You really think there is a way to fix it? You can't make people hate doing drugs, actually want to work or improve themselves in any way. You can lead all the horses to water but they'll just roll out for another hit of H under the bridge.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
this.The issue of homelessness isn’t really an issue of homelessness.. it’s an issue of drug addiction.
I don’t have the stats on hand, but here in Canada some whopppingly high % of homeless are addicted to heavy drugs such as heroin or crack and are in the situation they are in as a direct result of those drugs.
If you can find a solution to drug abuse then you will have fixed homelessness. Srs.
I don’t have the stats on hand, but here in Canada some whopppingly high % of homeless are addicted to heavy drugs such as heroin or crack and are in the situation they are in as a direct result of those drugs.
If you can find a solution to drug abuse then you will have fixed homelessness. Srs.
Homeless is almost the wrong word at this point in time to describe the type of mentally destitute people you see camping/ littering/ and chitting in sidewalks. These people won't even stay in an actual homeless shelter due to the rules in place.
I have zero answers. If you told them they would get the death penalty if they shot up one more time they wouldn't care or try to get clean. It's a really sad situation.
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No real solution to the problem. You cannot force people to be sober and to be a working, healthy member of society, etc. Very small percent of the long term homeless population are in their right mind and sober and are in that spot due to the cost of housing.
You can have police make and/or enforce city ordinances that drive them out of a city. Which is pretty much the strategy to keep them out of places that don't want them.
- Its illegal to loiter on side-walks and in roadways in most places.
- Its illegal to panhandle (beg) in most places.
- Its illegal to consume alcohol in public in most places.
- Its illegal to possess narcotics and paraphernalia (In most places...)
-Add to those statutes that its illegal to give money to panhandlers and start arresting/fining people that give them anything so you start hooking/fining citizens that enable them.
-Add a bunch of strict regulations to any 'shelters' or 'diners' that house or feed them.
-Anytime a homeless is arrested all of his property except the clothes on his back becomes abandoned property on the side-walk/in the street so its dumpstered. Etc.
Have the police enforce all of those ^ with 0 tolerance. On their release from jail provide them a 1 way bus ticket to the nearly liberal city that caters to homeless.
Walla you've just solved homelessness in your city. Any homeless that do wander into your fair city will soon move along down the highway when nobody gives them anything and they get fukked with non-stop for every crime they commit.
You can have police make and/or enforce city ordinances that drive them out of a city. Which is pretty much the strategy to keep them out of places that don't want them.
- Its illegal to loiter on side-walks and in roadways in most places.
- Its illegal to panhandle (beg) in most places.
- Its illegal to consume alcohol in public in most places.
- Its illegal to possess narcotics and paraphernalia (In most places...)
-Add to those statutes that its illegal to give money to panhandlers and start arresting/fining people that give them anything so you start hooking/fining citizens that enable them.
-Add a bunch of strict regulations to any 'shelters' or 'diners' that house or feed them.
-Anytime a homeless is arrested all of his property except the clothes on his back becomes abandoned property on the side-walk/in the street so its dumpstered. Etc.
Have the police enforce all of those ^ with 0 tolerance. On their release from jail provide them a 1 way bus ticket to the nearly liberal city that caters to homeless.
Walla you've just solved homelessness in your city. Any homeless that do wander into your fair city will soon move along down the highway when nobody gives them anything and they get fukked with non-stop for every crime they commit.
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There's no fix, but I think we need to take a more out of site out of mind approach. Build or designate sanctioned homeless encampments near the outskirts of town. Quickly dismantle any and all encampments, in highly populated areas especially near schools, parks and tourist destinations.
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08-18-2020, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Here's the problem though, often times especially in colder months homeless would welcome an arrest. They get a bed, shelter free food etc. For homeless in the winter commuting crime is a win win situation.No real solution to the problem. You cannot force people to be sober and to be a working, healthy member of society, etc. Very small percent of the long term homeless population are in their right mind and sober and are in that spot due to the cost of housing.
You can have police make and/or enforce city ordinances that drive them out of a city. Which is pretty much the strategy to keep them out of places that don't want them.
- Its illegal to loiter on side-walks and in roadways in most places.
- Its illegal to panhandle (beg) in most places.
- Its illegal to consume alcohol in public in most places.
- Its illegal to possess narcotics and paraphernalia (In most places...)
-Add to those statutes that its illegal to give money to panhandlers and start arresting/fining people that give them anything so you start hooking/fining citizens that enable them.
-Add a bunch of strict regulations to any 'shelters' or 'diners' that house or feed them.
-Anytime a homeless is arrested all of his property except the clothes on his back becomes abandoned property on the side-walk/in the street so its dumpstered. Etc.
Have the police enforce all of those ^ with 0 tolerance. On their release from jail provide them a 1 way bus ticket to the nearly liberal city that caters to homeless.
Walla you've just solved homelessness in your city. Any homeless that do wander into your fair city will soon move along down the highway when nobody gives them anything and they get fukked with non-stop for every crime they commit.
You can have police make and/or enforce city ordinances that drive them out of a city. Which is pretty much the strategy to keep them out of places that don't want them.
- Its illegal to loiter on side-walks and in roadways in most places.
- Its illegal to panhandle (beg) in most places.
- Its illegal to consume alcohol in public in most places.
- Its illegal to possess narcotics and paraphernalia (In most places...)
-Add to those statutes that its illegal to give money to panhandlers and start arresting/fining people that give them anything so you start hooking/fining citizens that enable them.
-Add a bunch of strict regulations to any 'shelters' or 'diners' that house or feed them.
-Anytime a homeless is arrested all of his property except the clothes on his back becomes abandoned property on the side-walk/in the street so its dumpstered. Etc.
Have the police enforce all of those ^ with 0 tolerance. On their release from jail provide them a 1 way bus ticket to the nearly liberal city that caters to homeless.
Walla you've just solved homelessness in your city. Any homeless that do wander into your fair city will soon move along down the highway when nobody gives them anything and they get fukked with non-stop for every crime they commit.
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Originally Posted By Ramoneb87⏩
1. Everything I listed are nuisance crimes. Enforce them strict enough year round and they won't stick around to wait for winter.Here's the problem though, often times especially in colder months homeless would welcome an arrest. They get a bed, shelter free food etc. For homeless in the winter commuting crime is a win win situation.
2. Homeless people don't want to abide by strict rules on a long term basis. Which is why they aren't in shelters/government housing. If every time they get caught slipping they get incarcerated (No drugs, no alcohol, no cigs). And literally everything they own gets tossed in a dumpster. They aren't going to want too many repeats of that. They do not want to just live in jail.
I grew up in a city without a homeless population and have been to a lot of places without any homeless. If nobody gives them anything and they just get fukked with constantly they will move on to a place that caters to them.
08-18-2020, 11:34 AM
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most the time the addicts have a mental illnessSeems to be addicts and mental illness including bipolar. Neither allow someone to function with society. It takes a unique individual
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Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
Well it's worse in places that have a greater % of hippie types.You really think there is a way to fix it? You can't make people hate doing drugs, actually want to work or improve themselves in any way. You can lead all the horses to water but they'll just roll out for another hit of H under the bridge.
I wonder how bad the drug problem is in countries where drug dealing = death penalty
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"The homeless problem" will mean different things to different people. Sometimes it's high housing costs, sometimes it's mental health, sometimes it's medical costs bankrupting people. I live in the Bay Area, CA, and probably as is the case for any city in America, the problem is drug addicts.
No amount of assistance, shelters, low-cost housing, financial aid/UBI, or even caring, is going to solve these people's woes. This is why I propose doing 2 things:
1. Decriminalize all drugs, and release current prisoners held for drug possession. This is going to seem to contradict what I just said, but prisons are over-crowded, and many of those people would be functional outside of prison, even if they do drugs. The drug-addicts currently out on the street are not being charged for their constant crimes because we can't afford to jail/imprison them. So step #1 will be reallocating space in our prisons to the people causing problems - that will require freeing up space as we just can't afford infinite prison space for every degenerate.
2. Start considering drug addiction a mental health problem serious enough for involuntary commitment. These people are causing harm to themselves and society if they are homeless, and should be committed. This is going to shift drug addicts from prisons to homes where they can get help. There isn't much hope for the majority of people who would be committed, but it's better than sending them to prison, and it's better than letting them wreak havoc on anyone around them.
No amount of assistance, shelters, low-cost housing, financial aid/UBI, or even caring, is going to solve these people's woes. This is why I propose doing 2 things:
1. Decriminalize all drugs, and release current prisoners held for drug possession. This is going to seem to contradict what I just said, but prisons are over-crowded, and many of those people would be functional outside of prison, even if they do drugs. The drug-addicts currently out on the street are not being charged for their constant crimes because we can't afford to jail/imprison them. So step #1 will be reallocating space in our prisons to the people causing problems - that will require freeing up space as we just can't afford infinite prison space for every degenerate.
2. Start considering drug addiction a mental health problem serious enough for involuntary commitment. These people are causing harm to themselves and society if they are homeless, and should be committed. This is going to shift drug addicts from prisons to homes where they can get help. There isn't much hope for the majority of people who would be committed, but it's better than sending them to prison, and it's better than letting them wreak havoc on anyone around them.
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Originally Posted By Sevenlionz⏩
how do you punish someone with nothing to lose and no assets?There should be harsher punishment for violent homeless, and for repeated offending homeless.
If anything, throwing them in jail would help them because you're giving them a roof over their head and scheduled square meals, and I don't think they care if other inmates are violent. They're use to that as well from other homeless and literal wild animals (not a metaphor for a violent person)
so in the end, we're paying for these people to live their lifestyle.
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Originally Posted By SAD_COW_DISEASE⏩
And where are they gonna build these homes? Half the problem is nobody wants these people around. NIMBYism kills a lot of projects or ties them up in legal battles. On top of that a lot of these drug rehab places are simply not that effective. It's an easy payday since insurance pays everything and the licensing isn't that strict. Company I used to work for would furnish a lot of these places, owner of one ODed in a parking lot."The homeless problem" will mean different things to different people. Sometimes it's high housing costs, sometimes it's mental health, sometimes it's medical costs bankrupting people. I live in the Bay Area, CA, and probably as is the case for any city in America, the problem is drug addicts.
No amount of assistance, shelters, low-cost housing, financial aid/UBI, or even caring, is going to solve these people's woes. This is why I propose doing 2 things:
1. Decriminalize all drugs, and release current prisoners held for drug possession. This is going to seem to contradict what I just said, but prisons are over-crowded, and many of those people would be functional outside of prison, even if they do drugs. The drug-addicts currently out on the street are not being charged for their constant crimes because we can't afford to jail/imprison them. So step #1 will be reallocating space in our prisons to the people causing problems - that will require freeing up space as we just can't afford infinite prison space for every degenerate.
2. Start considering drug addiction a mental health problem serious enough for involuntary commitment. These people are causing harm to themselves and society if they are homeless, and should be committed. This is going to shift drug addicts from prisons to homes where they can get help. There isn't much hope for the majority of people who would be committed, but it's better than sending them to prison, and it's better than letting them wreak havoc on anyone around them.
No amount of assistance, shelters, low-cost housing, financial aid/UBI, or even caring, is going to solve these people's woes. This is why I propose doing 2 things:
1. Decriminalize all drugs, and release current prisoners held for drug possession. This is going to seem to contradict what I just said, but prisons are over-crowded, and many of those people would be functional outside of prison, even if they do drugs. The drug-addicts currently out on the street are not being charged for their constant crimes because we can't afford to jail/imprison them. So step #1 will be reallocating space in our prisons to the people causing problems - that will require freeing up space as we just can't afford infinite prison space for every degenerate.
2. Start considering drug addiction a mental health problem serious enough for involuntary commitment. These people are causing harm to themselves and society if they are homeless, and should be committed. This is going to shift drug addicts from prisons to homes where they can get help. There isn't much hope for the majority of people who would be committed, but it's better than sending them to prison, and it's better than letting them wreak havoc on anyone around them.
Drugs/alcohol addiction are heavily tied with homelessness. I don't see how legalizing or decriminalization would help.
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You can't really help people who don't care about being homeless. You'd have to house them against their will honestly.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Can't blame people for not wanting dregs in their neighborhoods, they'd have to be moved to trailer parks in some bumfuk areaAnd where are they gonna build these homes? Half the problem is nobody wants these people around. NIMBYism kills a lot of projects or ties them up in legal battles. On top of that a lot of these drug rehab places are simply not that effective. It's an easy payday since insurance pays everything and the licensing isn't that strict. Company I used to work for would furnish a lot of these places, owner of one ODed in a parking lot.
Drugs/alcohol addiction are heavily tied with homelessness. I don't see how legalizing or decriminalization would help.
Drugs/alcohol addiction are heavily tied with homelessness. I don't see how legalizing or decriminalization would help.
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Originally Posted By 128⏩
You absolutely cannot blame people for protecting their families. If that leaves drug addicts in the cold then so be it. That does not mean we should create more addicts by bringing them in to associate in the suburbs like we do with forcing section 8 housing in.Can't blame people for not wanting dregs in their neighborhoods, they'd have to be moved to trailer parks in some bumfuk area
It's almost as if the people pushing these policies want the problems to continue....
You don't have to treat the people currently addicted for the issue to go away in a generation. In fact, separation from society is about the best thing that can happen for them and society. It's a mutual divestment. Forcing anything else is just some bizarre and misguided charity that shows how disconnected from the issue one's ideals are.
Bringing the addicts into the neighborhoods just ensures the culture propagates.
NIMBY? You're goddamn right. Get the fuk off my lawn, and fist yourself.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
If we can find places for prisons, we can find places for rehab centers/loony bins. If they aren't deemed as somewhat functional after some amount of time in the rehab center, then they don't leave. It's involuntary commitment, like we do with people who have dangerous mental problems. These people are addicted to drugs, harming themselves, and are a danger to everyone around them. That warrants commitment, similar to how prison also isn't voluntary. The question you have to ask is, where do you want to send them? Option 1: You don't send them anywhere, as we are currently doing. Option 2: you send them to prison. That's expensive and doesn't help. Option 3: you involuntarily commit them to a rehab/loony bin. It's hopefully cheaper than prison, and will help them MORE than prison will, even if there is little hope.And where are they gonna build these homes? Half the problem is nobody wants these people around. NIMBYism kills a lot of projects or ties them up in legal battles. On top of that a lot of these drug rehab places are simply not that effective. It's an easy payday since insurance pays everything and the licensing isn't that strict. Company I used to work for would furnish a lot of these places, owner of one ODed in a parking lot.
Drugs/alcohol addiction are heavily tied with homelessness. I don't see how legalizing or decriminalization would help.
Drugs/alcohol addiction are heavily tied with homelessness. I don't see how legalizing or decriminalization would help.
When an obvious drug addict is charged with a crime, they are not prosecuted because they have no where to put them. In my scenario, they would either be sent to prison, or the drug rehab center where they will be kept away from society. If they are sent to prison first to do their time, then they can be sent to the rehab center after until they show enough progress. And if they relapse (drugs and crime not trannies) then they get sent back - which is still better than not sending them anywhere in the first place. SOME of the released prisoners who were convicted of drug related crimes will live functional lives without dragging down society. This will free up space in prisons or resources for rehab centers, for those who are a detriment to society. The main point is to keep the problem drug addicts away from society.
We also need to BEG catholic churches and any other religious institution to help maintain these facilities.
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Originally Posted By 128⏩
These drug addicts are already in people's neighborhoods, just not the suburbs. You're just outsourcing your problem to the city. That's not fair, or financially smart.Can't blame people for not wanting dregs in their neighborhoods, they'd have to be moved to trailer parks in some bumfuk area
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Originally Posted By SAD_COW_DISEASE⏩
These murderers are already in people's neighborhoods, just not the suburbs. You're just outsourcing your problem to the city. That's not fair, or financially smart.These drug addicts are already in people's neighborhoods, just not the suburbs. You're just outsourcing your problem to the city. That's not fair, or financially smart.
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Mental Illness & Substance Use
Data from research conducted in the past five years indicates thatxi xii xiii:
• About 30% of people who are chronically homeless have mental health conditions.
• About 50% have co-occurring substance use problems.
According to analyses of data from the 1996 NSHAPCxiv:
• Over 60% of people who are chronically homelessness have experienced lifetime mental health problems
• Over 80% have experienced lifetime alcohol and/or drug problems
There’s your problem... 80% with drug abuse issues.
Data from research conducted in the past five years indicates thatxi xii xiii:
• About 30% of people who are chronically homeless have mental health conditions.
• About 50% have co-occurring substance use problems.
According to analyses of data from the 1996 NSHAPCxiv:
• Over 60% of people who are chronically homelessness have experienced lifetime mental health problems
• Over 80% have experienced lifetime alcohol and/or drug problems
There’s your problem... 80% with drug abuse issues.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
If you read my post above that one, it's clear I'm not for giving homes to the homeless, or even subsidizing through section 8 housing. Not in cities, or in suburbs. I'm for committing the problem drug addicts (who comprise the majority of the homeless) to rehab and mental health centers until they can function enough on their own. And if that never happens, then they don't leave.These murderers are already in people's neighborhoods, just not the suburbs. You're just outsourcing your problem to the city. That's not fair, or financially smart.
Edit: I think your and 128's response suggest you're ok with them being homeless drug addicts, wreaking havoc on their neighbors, as long as they are in the city and not the suburbs. That's expensive.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
This. Just like the catch and release program they have here in portland for antifa. If the peaceful protester gets arrested and released in the same night (and likely charges dropped) they’ll be back to throwing rocks at police the next nightThe problem shouldn't be how we eliminate homeless people (not all are bad) it should be how do we eliminate problem homeless people? The homeless people who are addicted to drugs, mentally ill (potentially violent) and out there committing crimes.
For drug addicts, we need to have harsher punishments for repeat convictions of drug use. I know this isn't popular because it goes against the whole "my body" thing, but for people running around naked in the streets high AF, they need more than one night in jail they won't remember and time served. Lets get them off the street for 6 months + at a time, increasing to years. Just like DUI, there should be the separate crime of being under the influence of drugs in public where you are causing a nuisance or endangering others.
For the mentally ill people, we need to bring back mental institutions. Simple. Especially people who have been placed on multiple WIC 5150 holds (mental evaluation holds), after say, 5, you should spend mandatory X amount of time in a mental institution.
For the criminals, we just need harsher punishments and longer jail/prison sentences. It shouldn't be about punishment per say, it should be about getting these people off of the street. My PD has arrested the same guy before twice in a day for the same crimes. They get out, and just do the same chit again that night, and then the next morning, because there's no punishments. Build more prisons. Let's fill those up.
Fixing these 3 groups will get rid of 90% ish of the problem homeless population people bitch about, leaving the "normal" functioning homeless people that don't really bother people left. The ones that are sleeping in their cars when they're not working to get back on their feet or the ones that just like the homeless lifestyle but aren't into crazy drug addictions, mentally unstable, or criminal activity.
For drug addicts, we need to have harsher punishments for repeat convictions of drug use. I know this isn't popular because it goes against the whole "my body" thing, but for people running around naked in the streets high AF, they need more than one night in jail they won't remember and time served. Lets get them off the street for 6 months + at a time, increasing to years. Just like DUI, there should be the separate crime of being under the influence of drugs in public where you are causing a nuisance or endangering others.
For the mentally ill people, we need to bring back mental institutions. Simple. Especially people who have been placed on multiple WIC 5150 holds (mental evaluation holds), after say, 5, you should spend mandatory X amount of time in a mental institution.
For the criminals, we just need harsher punishments and longer jail/prison sentences. It shouldn't be about punishment per say, it should be about getting these people off of the street. My PD has arrested the same guy before twice in a day for the same crimes. They get out, and just do the same chit again that night, and then the next morning, because there's no punishments. Build more prisons. Let's fill those up.
Fixing these 3 groups will get rid of 90% ish of the problem homeless population people bitch about, leaving the "normal" functioning homeless people that don't really bother people left. The ones that are sleeping in their cars when they're not working to get back on their feet or the ones that just like the homeless lifestyle but aren't into crazy drug addictions, mentally unstable, or criminal activity.
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