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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I was mistaken about the 2nd person. I thought the boyfriend was killed by return fire.I caught that. Who was the second person? Am I having a brain fart or am missing something?
If I get you the info can you get the report for that *******?
There were 2 911 calls 911 should have recorded the entire event.
I assume if a team kicks a door in and makes an armed entry they must generate a report right?
Even after 4 or 5 years you should be able to get a hold of one?
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09-23-2020, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
good grief you're dumb. learn to read before beaking off with your sh*t opinionsI was mistaken about the 2nd person. I thought the boyfriend was killed by return fire.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You're doing it again. Do you realize you make vague statements followed up by ambiguous and impertinent questions?Unless someone has been convicted in the past and like this woman is unarmed then yes she is innocent.
The American justice system says innocent till proven guilty correct?
The American justice system says innocent till proven guilty correct?
You lay inference that she was purposely killed as if there was an execution. There was no execution. Being innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with probable cause to issue a search warrant and the following shooting of the police officer and Taylor on the returning of fire.
You make nonsensical statements. (Just an fyi)
You literally use the same marxist strategy to shut down debate. Problem is that no one is biting.
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09-23-2020, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
I'm out of town. How can I go find archived police reports if I can't go down there?Leo: want to make a bet!?
Poster: yes
Leo: well I can’t now!
Poster: yes
Leo: well I can’t now!
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09-23-2020, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
I only exercise LE powers for lawful reasons. Arguing with someone on the internet is not cause to access LE records.I was mistaken about the 2nd person. I thought the boyfriend was killed by return fire.
If I get you the info can you get the report for that *******?
There were 2 911 calls 911 should have recorded the entire event.
I assume if a team kicks a door in and makes an armed entry they must generate a report right?
Even after 4 or 5 years you should be able to get a hold of one?
If I get you the info can you get the report for that *******?
There were 2 911 calls 911 should have recorded the entire event.
I assume if a team kicks a door in and makes an armed entry they must generate a report right?
Even after 4 or 5 years you should be able to get a hold of one?
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09-23-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
So if I go murder someone (with plenty of evidence) and a cop shoots me during a search warrant before I get arrested and convicted, I am innocent and that cop should go to jail for murdering an innocent person?Unless someone has been convicted in the past and like this woman is unarmed then yes she is innocent.
The American justice system says innocent till proven guilty correct?
The American justice system says innocent till proven guilty correct?
I can play the fuking retard game too.
Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Must have just been hearing about this story at the start of the thread.I was mistaken about the 2nd person. I thought the boyfriend was killed by return fire.
09-23-2020, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I made that statement in response to a poster saying she was a drug dealer she wasn't innocent so it's no big deal she was killed.You're doing it again. Do you realize you make vague statements followed up by ambiguous and impertinent questions?
You lay inference that she was purposely killed as if there was an execution. There was no execution. Being innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with probable cause to issue a search warrant and the following shooting of the police officer and Taylor on the returning of fire.
You make nonsensical statements. (Just an fyi)
You literally use the same marxist strategy to shut down debate. Problem is that no one is biting.
You lay inference that she was purposely killed as if there was an execution. There was no execution. Being innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with probable cause to issue a search warrant and the following shooting of the police officer and Taylor on the returning of fire.
You make nonsensical statements. (Just an fyi)
You literally use the same marxist strategy to shut down debate. Problem is that no one is biting.
Look I absolutely believe in Law Enforcement being able to defend themselves. I don't call this an execution.
I do call plenty of other events an execution.
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09-23-2020, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
No you weren't, because I never once said that.I made that statement in response to a poster saying she was a drug dealer she wasn't innocentso it's no big deal she was killed.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
Pablo Escobar’s attempted arrest and killing was during the daytime you idiot.What I don't understand is why the cops didn't just come to search the house during the daytime with a warrant, it's not like they were trying to arrest Pablo Escobar.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Lmao you're frustrating and squirmyI made that statement in response to a poster saying she was a drug dealer she wasn't innocent so it's no big deal she was killed.
Look I absolutely believe in Law Enforcement being able to defend themselves. I don't call this an execution.
I do call plenty of other events an execution.
Look I absolutely believe in Law Enforcement being able to defend themselves. I don't call this an execution.
I do call plenty of other events an execution.
I'm not used to debating emotional people. All your **** is emotional.
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09-23-2020, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Yeah unless you're a cop who kills a black person, then you're demonized on social media and if the verdict is anything less than a death sentence people are pissed.The American justice system says innocent till proven guilty correct?
Also cops are not judges, they don't determine the law, they enforce it to the best of their ability
09-23-2020, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
a phony blowhard like you with an extreme hatred of the police force would have surely filed suit and made a public spectacle of the situation if this supposed event actually occurred and you, of all people, would definitely have loads of stored up evidence at the ready to prove it......but you don't because it never happened. the truth is that you are an extremely delusional and ignorant fatcel with a narrow point of view and a severe case of cognitive dissonanceI'm out of town. How can I go find archived police reports if I can't go down there?
Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
he's not playing though. he really is that ignorantI can play the fuking retard game too.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
I made that statement in response to a poster saying she was a drug dealer she wasn't innocent so it's no big deal she was killed.
Look I absolutely believe in Law Enforcement being able to defend themselves. I don't call this an execution.
I do call plenty of other events an execution.
Look I absolutely believe in Law Enforcement being able to defend themselves. I don't call this an execution.
I do call plenty of other events an execution.

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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
It's not about race. I've never thought the cops are racist.Yeah unless you're a cop who kills a black person, then you're demonized on social media and if the verdict is anything less than a death sentence people are pissed.
Also cops are not judges, they don't determine the law, they enforce it to the best of their ability
Also cops are not judges, they don't determine the law, they enforce it to the best of their ability
It's about right and wrong.
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Originally Posted By howimliving⏩
Why would I file suit?a phony blowhard like you with an extreme hatred of the police force would have surely filed suit and made a public spectacle of the situation if this supposed event actually occurred and you, of all people, would definitely have loads of stored up evidence at the ready to prove it......but you don't because it never happened. the truth is that you are an extremely delusional and ignorant fatcel with a narrow point of view and a severe case of cognitive dissonance
he's not playing though. he really is that ignorant
he's not playing though. he really is that ignorant
I already said they operated flawlessly and really it should be taught to cops across the country.
You have reading comprehension problems.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You have been anti police for as long as I can remember.You are flat out wrong.
If cops do something exceptional I'll give them credit.
If a cop does his job correctly I'm not going to celebrate.
Doing it right is what's expected.
If cops do something exceptional I'll give them credit.
If a cop does his job correctly I'm not going to celebrate.
Doing it right is what's expected.
And you have never given police credit for anything.
You are as cultish a kool aid anti police drinker as any ANTIFA or BLM person.
You are also a complete tool and at least 5% autism.
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Originally Posted By JIA⏩
I read the article like most it really confuscates the facts not sure why its so hard to do a simple cliffs'd versionAll the details are here:
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...me/5593502002/
https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...me/5593502002/
So they are saying they watched the target guy go in and out of the house multiple times but this was months before the raid?
In the recorded calls they referred to taylors place as "the trap"
Article also mentions the fraudulent claims about him receiving mail at the address and the post official going on record saying that was never confirmed through them and was false
Was hoping someone could just point out the factors that led to the no knock warrant didnt think it would be that hard
Obviously the cops executing it are not responsible
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
you haven't mentioned anything ITT about cops operating flawlessly. what you did post was that 9 cops mistakenly thought you were a fugitive felon in the process of murdering someone. if any of that was true, you would go ape sh*t about it and file charges no matter how the event unfolded. gotta get some money to get you out of that trailer brahWhy would I file suit?
I already said they operated flawlessly and really it should be taught to cops across the country.
I already said they operated flawlessly and really it should be taught to cops across the country.
You have reading comprehension problems.
-repeatedly posts two people were killed in this situation before realizing that statement is incorrect-accuses other poster of reading comprehension and stupidity
pick one troglodyte
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Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
Nah. Sneak attack is more safe.No Knock Warrants in a country where most civilians have guns for home protection seems like a terrible idea
More cops die as well as civilians with the capping of the no knock.
Plus it has nothing to do with this case.
Keep up
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
LOL yes that really happened. My god you are a crazy person. 9 guns. Woman. Kidnap situation. Rightttttttttttttttt.9 pistols on the other side of a bathroom door and I am armed and they mistakenly think I'm a wanted felon and fugitive?
They also think I'm in the process of killing a woman.
Lol if you don't think that's close.
They also think I'm in the process of killing a woman.
Lol if you don't think that's close.
That was in your autism mind.
What really happened was the cops thought you were going to off yourself and were trying to save your life.
Don't you have some furniture to move or a 180 pound scuffed 49 year old white woman to pretend fawk and claim she is a 25 year old 9/10?
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
See aboveYou have been anti police for as long as I can remember.
And you have never given police credit for anything.
You are as cultish a kool aid anti police drinker as any ANTIFA or BLM person.
You are also a complete tool and at least 5% autism.
And you have never given police credit for anything.
You are as cultish a kool aid anti police drinker as any ANTIFA or BLM person.
You are also a complete tool and at least 5% autism.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
don't forget his 12% body fatLOL yes that really happened. My god you are a crazy person. 9 guns. Woman. Kidnap situation. Rightttttttttttttttt.
That was in your autism mind.
What really happened was the cops thought you were going to off yourself and were trying to save your life.
Don't you have some furniture to move or a 180 pound scuffed 49 year old white woman to pretend fawk and claim she is a 25 year old 9/10?
That was in your autism mind.
What really happened was the cops thought you were going to off yourself and were trying to save your life.
Don't you have some furniture to move or a 180 pound scuffed 49 year old white woman to pretend fawk and claim she is a 25 year old 9/10?
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Originally Posted By SF49ers⏩
He isn't a troll.Stop baiting this try hard ******* damn. You guys that acknowledge him keep him around...let this get troll take it to another forum.
He is just pure autism.
As for the Louisville incident?
Let's see. A girl is dating a guy who is a known drug dealer. Police find a rented car in her name WITH A DEAD BODY IN IT.
She lives in an apt, in her name, that is a known drug house.
Cops arrive. Knock. Her bf starts shooting.
Cops shoot back. Of course they would. Anyone would.
They do not know who or what they are shooting at other than they need to take out the danger TO THEIR LIVES.
No one purposely shot Taylor. It was unfortunate that it happened, but to say she was murdered in cold blood like autism leo is saying is just pure lies.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Nah. Sneak attack is more safe.
More cops die as well as civilians with the capping of the no knock.
Plus it has nothing to do with this case.
Keep up
More cops die as well as civilians with the capping of the no knock.
Plus it has nothing to do with this case.
Keep up
- In 1999, Ismael Mena was shot and killed by SWAT team officers in Denver, Colorado, who were performing a no-knock raid that was approved by a judge acting on false information contained in a search warrant. The police believed there to be drugs in the house, but no drugs were found on the premises, and it was later revealed that the address given to the SWAT team by officer Joseph Bini was the wrong one. Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas investigated the matter and cleared the officers involved with the raid on the grounds that Mena had pointed a gun and fired it at SWAT officers, although who fired first remains in dispute. However, many have objected to the investigation's findings due to inconsistencies in the various officers' account of what happened. The American Civil Liberties Union and others have objected to the Denver Police Department's request for a no-knock raid and the judge's decision to allow such a raid, on the grounds that they failed to meet the criteria necessary for such an operation.[11]
- Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring from 1999 to 2001 which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street.[12][13]
- Kathryn Johnston was a 92-year-old Atlanta, Georgia, woman killed by three undercover police officers during a no-knock raid on November 21, 2006. Assuming her home was being invaded, Johnston fired one shot through the front door which went over the officers' heads. Police fired 39 shots in response, five of which hit Johnston and some of which also hit the officers in an incident of friendly fire. One officer was later convicted for planting three bags of marijuana in the home; officers were also convicted on charges of manslaughter, making false statements, and conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death.[14][15]
- Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas in January 2008. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police removed him from intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.[16][17]
- In 2008 a SWAT team from Prince George's County, Maryland, conducted a raid at the home of Berwyn Heights resident Cheye Calvo after a package of marijuana was mailed to his house. Both of his dogs were shot during the raid and it was later determined that he had no involvement with the package that was sent. Police learned after entering the home and killing the dogs that Calvo was the mayor of Berwyn Heights, Maryland.[18]
- Hempstead, New York, settled claims by Iyanna Davis for $650,000 after police in May 2010 shot her in the breast during their accidental execution of a no-knock warrant on the wrong address. Officer Michael Capobianco explained that he had unintentionally shot the 22-year-old woman after he tripped. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[2]
- In 2013, Tucson, Arizona, agreed to settle claims by the family of Jose Guerena for $3.4 million after SWAT officers fired 71 shots in the seven seconds after their unannounced entry. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooters.[2]
- A Burleson County, Texas, grand jury refused to indict Hank Magee for capital murder after he shot and killed a deputy sheriff inside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on December 19, 2013.[19]
- In Killeen, Texas, a grand jury indicted Marvin Louis Guy for capital murder after he shot and killed a police detective outside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on May 9, 2014.[19]
- A Georgia SWAT team shot and killed an armed homeowner, David Hooks, during a September 2014 drug raid sparked by the word of a self-confessed methamphetamine addict and burglar who had robbed the property the previous day. David Hooks' wife, Teresa, looked outside and saw people with hoods on the evening of the raid and woke up her husband. Fearing the burglar or burglars who had struck two nights earlier had returned, Hooks armed himself. Despite the fact that the search warrant did not have a 'no knock' clause, the Drug Task Force and Special Response Team members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered, firing in excess of 16 shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon, nor was there any evidence he was involved in drugs. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation conducted an intensive 44-hour search of the property and came up with no contraband items.[20]
- In 2016, Framingham, Massachusetts, agreed to settle claims by the family of Eurie Stamps for $3.75 million after SWAT officers shot the 68-year-old in the back while he was compliant and lying on his stomach. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[2]
- In December 2016, a jury in Corpus Christi, Texas acquitted Ray Rosas of attempted capital murder because it concluded that he was unaware the three home intruders he shot were SWAT officers. Prior to his acquittal, Rosas had spent 664 days in jail.[2]
- On January 28, 2019, in the Pecan Park, Houston area of Houston, Texas, Houston Police Department officers initiated a no-knock raid on a house, killing the two homeowners Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas. Multiple officers were indicted for falsifying documents, including to obtain the no-knock warrant and to obstruct the ensuing investigation. One of these, the shooter, was charged with murder, and admitted to planting false evidence at the crime scene.[21]
- On February 6, 2019, Milwaukee Police Department officer Matthew Rittner was shot and killed while conducting a no-knock raid. The shooter, Jordan P. Fricke, was charged with first-degree intentional homicide.[22]
- On March 12, 2020, Duncan Socrates Lemp was fatally shot at his home in Potomac, Maryland, during a no-knock police raid by the Montgomery County Police Department's SWAT team.
- On March 13, 2020, Louisville Metro Police Department officers shot and killed Breonna Taylor in her apartment after being fired upon by Kenneth Taylor, Breonna Taylor's boyfriend, while executing a knock and announce warrant. Kenneth Walker fired the first shot; Walker said he fired his gun due to not knowing the intruders were police.[23] Walker was charged with attempted murder of a police officer but the charge was dismissed in May 2020.[23] On September 23, 2020, a grand jury found the officers actions were justified in their use of force that resulted in the death of Breonna Taylor. [24]
- Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring from 1999 to 2001 which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street.[12][13]
- Kathryn Johnston was a 92-year-old Atlanta, Georgia, woman killed by three undercover police officers during a no-knock raid on November 21, 2006. Assuming her home was being invaded, Johnston fired one shot through the front door which went over the officers' heads. Police fired 39 shots in response, five of which hit Johnston and some of which also hit the officers in an incident of friendly fire. One officer was later convicted for planting three bags of marijuana in the home; officers were also convicted on charges of manslaughter, making false statements, and conspiracy to violate civil rights resulting in death.[14][15]
- Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas in January 2008. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police removed him from intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.[16][17]
- In 2008 a SWAT team from Prince George's County, Maryland, conducted a raid at the home of Berwyn Heights resident Cheye Calvo after a package of marijuana was mailed to his house. Both of his dogs were shot during the raid and it was later determined that he had no involvement with the package that was sent. Police learned after entering the home and killing the dogs that Calvo was the mayor of Berwyn Heights, Maryland.[18]
- Hempstead, New York, settled claims by Iyanna Davis for $650,000 after police in May 2010 shot her in the breast during their accidental execution of a no-knock warrant on the wrong address. Officer Michael Capobianco explained that he had unintentionally shot the 22-year-old woman after he tripped. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[2]
- In 2013, Tucson, Arizona, agreed to settle claims by the family of Jose Guerena for $3.4 million after SWAT officers fired 71 shots in the seven seconds after their unannounced entry. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooters.[2]
- A Burleson County, Texas, grand jury refused to indict Hank Magee for capital murder after he shot and killed a deputy sheriff inside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on December 19, 2013.[19]
- In Killeen, Texas, a grand jury indicted Marvin Louis Guy for capital murder after he shot and killed a police detective outside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on May 9, 2014.[19]
- A Georgia SWAT team shot and killed an armed homeowner, David Hooks, during a September 2014 drug raid sparked by the word of a self-confessed methamphetamine addict and burglar who had robbed the property the previous day. David Hooks' wife, Teresa, looked outside and saw people with hoods on the evening of the raid and woke up her husband. Fearing the burglar or burglars who had struck two nights earlier had returned, Hooks armed himself. Despite the fact that the search warrant did not have a 'no knock' clause, the Drug Task Force and Special Response Team members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered, firing in excess of 16 shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon, nor was there any evidence he was involved in drugs. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation conducted an intensive 44-hour search of the property and came up with no contraband items.[20]
- In 2016, Framingham, Massachusetts, agreed to settle claims by the family of Eurie Stamps for $3.75 million after SWAT officers shot the 68-year-old in the back while he was compliant and lying on his stomach. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[2]
- In December 2016, a jury in Corpus Christi, Texas acquitted Ray Rosas of attempted capital murder because it concluded that he was unaware the three home intruders he shot were SWAT officers. Prior to his acquittal, Rosas had spent 664 days in jail.[2]
- On January 28, 2019, in the Pecan Park, Houston area of Houston, Texas, Houston Police Department officers initiated a no-knock raid on a house, killing the two homeowners Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas. Multiple officers were indicted for falsifying documents, including to obtain the no-knock warrant and to obstruct the ensuing investigation. One of these, the shooter, was charged with murder, and admitted to planting false evidence at the crime scene.[21]
- On February 6, 2019, Milwaukee Police Department officer Matthew Rittner was shot and killed while conducting a no-knock raid. The shooter, Jordan P. Fricke, was charged with first-degree intentional homicide.[22]
- On March 12, 2020, Duncan Socrates Lemp was fatally shot at his home in Potomac, Maryland, during a no-knock police raid by the Montgomery County Police Department's SWAT team.
- On March 13, 2020, Louisville Metro Police Department officers shot and killed Breonna Taylor in her apartment after being fired upon by Kenneth Taylor, Breonna Taylor's boyfriend, while executing a knock and announce warrant. Kenneth Walker fired the first shot; Walker said he fired his gun due to not knowing the intruders were police.[23] Walker was charged with attempted murder of a police officer but the charge was dismissed in May 2020.[23] On September 23, 2020, a grand jury found the officers actions were justified in their use of force that resulted in the death of Breonna Taylor. [24]
From 2010 through 2016, at least 81 civilians and 13 officers died during SWAT raids, including 31 civilians and eight officers during execution of no-knock warrants
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Originally Posted By ByAssociation⏩
Replying to my own post to clarify that them talking about her and her place and calling it the trap was all the evidence from the calls rightI read the article like most it really confuscates the facts not sure why its so hard to do a simple cliffs'd version
So they are saying they watched the target guy go in and out of the house multiple times but this was months before the raid?
In the recorded calls they referred to taylors place as "the trap"
Article also mentions the fraudulent claims about him receiving mail at the address and the post official going on record saying that was never confirmed through them and was false
Was hoping someone could just point out the factors that led to the no knock warrant didnt think it would be that hard
Obviously the cops executing it are not responsible
So they are saying they watched the target guy go in and out of the house multiple times but this was months before the raid?
In the recorded calls they referred to taylors place as "the trap"
Article also mentions the fraudulent claims about him receiving mail at the address and the post official going on record saying that was never confirmed through them and was false
Was hoping someone could just point out the factors that led to the no knock warrant didnt think it would be that hard
Obviously the cops executing it are not responsible
Good read from a site thats usually a rag these days
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...r-was-illegal/
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