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Thread: Misc Firearms Crew LXXVII: Locked (Down) and Loaded

post 1618639941 10-06-2020, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
possibly, obviously i dont support this kind of thing at all, but it would be better if they only banned one specific firearm and left braces as a whole alone.

i have a strong suspicion that wont happen though
Well, they may leave braces in general alone, but if a particular brace is essentially a stock (due to design) then I could see them considering it a stock. There has to be a line. If there is no line, then there are no pistols, only SBR's. I can also see them cracking down on a specific braced pistol if it is advertised as essentially an SBR, which is what it appears they are doing.
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Originally Posted By pUniCepts⏩
Well, they may leave braces in general alone, but if a particular brace is essentially a stock (due to design) then I could see them considering it a stock. There has to be a line. If there is no line, then there are no pistols, only SBR's. I can also see them cracking down on a specific braced pistol if it is advertised as essentially an SBR, which is what it appears they are doing.
agree. i would think that after the fiasco with shouldering pistol braces it would be incredibly unwise for a company to actually market a braced pistol as being intended to be shouldered.
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
Select fire is a little bit harder, just full auto is a 3-D printed “bottle opener” away.

Lower shelf receiver, drill the hole, install auto sear isn’t that hard either I guess. Never tried it and wouldn’t feel comfortable getting the auto sear shipped to my house even though it’s legal to buy.

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It's actually a pretty aids process for full auto conversion with all the lower parts you need to obtain which can also be a felony for "constructive intent". Could post an instructional .png foreducational and legal conversion purposesbut idk if mods will freak out or not
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post 1618640281 10-06-2020, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Keep everything legal, if SHTF than you can easily and quickly do what you need to your firearms to configure them to be best for survival.

I keep Maglocks on all my ARs for that reason, completely CA legal like that, and if it ever came down to an extreme crisis it's a 2 minutes swap to a mag release.
But... why maglocked?

Featureless is even easier. It's literally one hex screw to remove and replace a Sparrow grip or whatever brand you prefer. Sure, you need to use a brake instead of a hider and pin the stock wherever you prefer... but who cares?
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
It's actually a pretty aids process for full auto conversion with all the lower parts you need to obtain which can also be a felony for "constructive intent". Could post an instructional .png foreducational and legal conversion purposesbut idk if mods will freak out or not
im not sure how the mods would feel about it, but swat would come disrespect your house

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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
But... why maglocked?

Featureless is even easier. It's literally one hex screw to remove and replace a Sparrow grip or whatever brand you prefer. Sure, you need to use a brake instead of a hider and pin the stock wherever you prefer... but who cares?
god i hate CA and all their ridiculous laws.

i much prefer AW configuration

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Originally Posted By pUniCepts⏩
Well, they may leave braces in general alone, but if a particular brace is essentially a stock (due to design) then I could see them considering it a stock. There has to be a line. If there is no line, then there are no pistols, only SBR's. I can also see them cracking down on a specific braced pistol if it is advertised as essentially an SBR, which is what it appears they are doing.
Seems like some companies got a little too cute . . . or downright flagrant in playing in the grey areas.

The early "braces" were designed like they were meant to be reasonably optimized for someone to actually use them as a brace for one-armed, pistol firing (wink, wink). Fairly flexible "wings", rounded design, not remarkably stable "if" you happened to use it like a stock but it could work, etc. As things progressed, some companies either blurred or shattered the line and it became more akin to "it's more like a stock that could be worn as a brace and less like a brace that might be kind of used like a stock." A brace made with thicker, more rigid material that doesn't lend itself to being strapped around your forearm as much as it lends itself to being used like a stock started to be a bridge a bit too far (or a bridge too Farley). Doesn't help when you have hundreds of videos with dudes exclusively shouldering them and never using them like a pistol.

There's a great line in Blue Thunder: "If you're walking on eggs . . . don't hop."
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
im not sure how the mods would feel about it, but swat would come disrespect your house

srs
Knowledge isn't illegal. Is my house going to get red flagged because my brain knows how to build a ghost gun?
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
But... why maglocked?

Featureless is even easier. It's literally one hex screw to remove and replace a Sparrow grip or whatever brand you prefer. Sure, you need to use a brake instead of a hider and pin the stock wherever you prefer... but who cares?
Because the ergonomics are gay and will get you killed in a gunfight since you wouldn't have practiced for it
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
Because the ergonomics are gay and will get you killed in a gunfight since you wouldn't have practiced for it
Fin grips blow. The better compliant grips are actually not even bad.




Is it stupid? Yes. But functionally I don't really prefer one to the other- EXCEPT in a scenario where I need to retain the weapon with one hand. Then the Sparrow grip requires more strength. But hopefully you're running a sling anyway.
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post 1618642231 10-06-2020, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
But... why maglocked?

Featureless is even easier. It's literally one hex screw to remove and replace a Sparrow grip or whatever brand you prefer. Sure, you need to use a brake instead of a hider and pin the stock wherever you prefer... but who cares?
Takes me 1 minute to switch and I can keep all my nice features: vertical foregrip, pistol grip, adjustable stock (folding on my Arak). All of that is a lot harder to put on and take off to make it featureless.

Also flash hider.
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[QUOTE=LinuxJon post_id=1618641641]Fin grips blow. The better compliant grips are actually not even bad.

[URL=https://ibb.co/WDTSyjy][img]https://i.ibb.co/6vd6PLP/9-E7-DEAEF-C402-4-D8-C-BF10-569-A6-C7-EA033.jpg[/][/URL]
[URL=https://ibb.co/zn7vsZX][img]https://i.ibb.co/5MnHTLr/ECEC026-A-22-D6-4-B29-9664-7-F4-DB602-F334.jpg[/][/URL]

Is it stupid? Yes. But functionally I don't really prefer one to the other- EXCEPT in a scenario where I need to retain the weapon with one hand. Then the Sparrow grip requires more strength. But hopefully you're running a sling anyway.[/QUOTE]Compliant grips are equally as aids. The physics behind a pistol grip allows you way more leverage from the shooting hand when reloading, or just keeping the long gun shouldered with one hand for whatever reason, such as opening a door with your support hand. Due to the limited mobility of a human wrist, the tradition rifle grip (and compliant grips) make it more difficult to compress the rifle/shotgun or manipulate in extreme low/high ready positions for cqb shooting when in tight spaces
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
It's actually a pretty aids process for full auto conversion with all the lower parts you need to obtain which can also be a felony for "constructive intent". Could post an instructional .png foreducational and legal conversion purposesbut idk if mods will freak out or not
I wouldn't post it.
Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Seems like some companies got a little too cute . . . or downright flagrant in playing in the grey areas.

The early "braces" were designed like they were meant to be reasonably optimized for someone to actually use them as a brace for one-armed, pistol firing (wink, wink). Fairly flexible "wings", rounded design, not remarkably stable "if" you happened to use it like a stock but it could work, etc. As things progressed, some companies either blurred or shattered the line and it became more akin to "it's more like a stock that could be worn as a brace and less like a brace that might be kind of used like a stock." A brace made with thicker, more rigid material that doesn't lend itself to being strapped around your forearm as much as it lends itself to being used like a stock started to be a bridge a bit too far (or a bridge too Farley). Doesn't help when you have hundreds of videos with dudes exclusively shouldering them and never using them like a pistol.

There's a great line in Blue Thunder: "If you're walking on eggs . . . don't hop."
So putting a strap around a stock doesn't make it a brace???
People/companies will always push the limits. Sadly, it's way more likely to end with no more pistol braces (for able-bodied persons) than it is to allow SBR's without a stamp.
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post 1618644341 10-07-2020, 12:06 AM
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@Meatie

What magazines and rounds are you carrying for your G26? Flush fit 10 rd, 10 rd with Pearce extensions, factory 12rd, magpul 12rd?


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[QUOTE=criminal_manne post_id=1618631941]No. Mass non compliant unregistered short barrel rifles.

If the ATF is reading this..... fuk yourself.


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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
Compliant grips are equally as aids. The physics behind a pistol grip allows you way more leverage from the shooting hand when reloading, or just keeping the long gun shouldered with one hand for whatever reason, such as opening a door with your support hand. Due to the limited mobility of a human wrist, the tradition rifle grip (and compliant grips) make it more difficult to compress the rifle/shotgun or manipulate in extreme low/high ready positions for cqb shooting when in tight spaces
I fully agree on the practical reasons why, all things equal, a pistol grip is better. However, I would say in the vast, vast majority of situations, there isn't a major disadvantage to a good compliant grip. Most people will never reload a 30-round mag under duress or encounter the other scenarios where the advantages would be meaningful.

The whole law is silly, I agree. I can't wait to leave CA and swap the chit out. I'm just saying the idea people are gonna get killed because it makes the platform so foreign is... meh.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I fully agree on the practical reasons why, all things equal, a pistol grip is better. However, I would say in the vast, vast majority of situations, there isn't a major disadvantage to a good compliant grip. Most people will never reload a 30-round mag under duress or encounter the other scenarios where the advantages would be meaningful.

The whole law is silly, I agree. I can't wait to leave CA and swap the chit out. I'm just saying the idea people are gonna get killed because it makes the platform so foreign is... meh.
For what it's worth I have my Mini for full compliance without any modifications to it, so making my ARs featureless wouldn't benefit me much.
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You should only run flush mags with a g26. If you are going extended it’s as long as a g19. And the extended mags are proven to possibly cause malfunctions when you are gripping the gun properly. So don’t know why you wouldn’t just carry a g19 if you aren’t using flush.
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Originally Posted By pUniCepts⏩
Well, they may leave braces in general alone, but if a particular brace is essentially a stock (due to design) then I could see them considering it a stock.There has to be a line.If there is no line, then there are no pistols, only SBR's. I can also see them cracking down on a specific braced pistol if it is advertised as essentially an SBR, which is what it appears they are doing.
Agreed. And, at a minimum, that line should be striking straight through the lines that make SBRs "illegal" in the first place.
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
You should only run flush mags with a g26. If you are going extended it’s as long as a g19. And the extended mags are proven to possibly cause malfunctions when you are gripping the gun properly. So don’t know why you wouldn’t just carry a g19 if you aren’t using flush.
Agree with this. Anything bigger than a G43 you might as well just carry a G19. 43x is stupid, just get a 19
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
Agree with this. Anything bigger than a G43 you might as well just carry a G19. 43x is stupid, just get a 19
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
You should only run flush mags with a g26. If you are going extended it’s as long as a g19. And the extended mags are proven to possibly cause malfunctions when you are gripping the gun properly. So don’t know why you wouldn’t just carry a g19 if you aren’t using flush.
I got the flush 10+1 in it at all times

then offhand I gots either a G19 mag or a Peirece +2 mag in a NSR TACTICAL POCKET MAG CARRIER.

then in truck I gibs me two of dem 32 round high capacnty assault clips

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lol derek chauvin out on bond.

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Holy hell this is rad.

https://kalashnikov-usa.com/product/...lashnikov-usa/
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What is the best semi auto 12 ga, preferably one then holds 8+ shells?
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Figured it was something we could argue about for several pages, guess not. Happy birthday, hon.
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What is the best semi auto 12 ga, preferably one then holds 8+ shells?
Probably Beretta 1301 or Benelli m2 or Benelli m4
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
Holy hell this is rad.

https://kalashnikov-usa.com/product/...lashnikov-usa/
Looks cool!!!

Aside from the pistol mag. Always thought those looked goofy on a larger firearm, like this. Otherwise, definitely a head turner
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
I don’t wear my seatbelt sometimes and often drive over the speed limit.

I didn’t fill out my census
That's good. Wouldn't want to go to federal prison for years because you didn't wear your seatbelt
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
I hear you and I don’t really know how to make a machine gun though. Or rather don’t have the parts.

If it’s that easy to convert that’s just more evidence of how dumb and useless the law is. If everyone just takes it nothing will change.

Or how about ATF doesn’t take a year to approve a stamp ?

Not the slightest bit worried about posting anything here btw, tons of people are posting way worse in other places I Lurk. Like merely suggesting not following the law on the misc is gonna get me jail time lol
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
Our founding fathers said we have a duty to disobey unconstitutional laws. Can’t believe how cowardly some gun owners are.
I can't believe how full of **** you are posting all of this hot air when you aren't doing, and aren't going to do, jack sht
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I can't believe how full of **** you are posting all of this hot air when you aren't doing, and aren't going to do, jack sht
Let’s boog bro. I need a boog buddy
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