Yes due to being less active which is still calories in calories out

Miscers think they're so clever for stating the first law of thermodynamics as if the issue isn't more complicated than that.

The oils: I'm speaking of corn oil, sunflower oil, and safflower oil, particularly when heated.

HFCS is particularly awful in that the human body deals with fructose differently than it does glucose. Every single human cell can utilize glucose for energy.

Eat an apple? Ok, you got some fructose there, it's also nutrient dense, lots of fiber to slow things down and give you time to process it, not a big deal. Drink that 20 liter pure HFCS and chemical soda that has x8 the fructose of that apple and no fiber to slow things down? Now your liver struggles, especially if you're downing a high-calorie fat burger alongside that soda. Fat is immediately stored, often right to your internal organs like the liver, welcome to pre-diabetes.

Want to drop weight? Stop eating constantly. Eat less when you do. Don't eat if you're not hungry. Cut out the chit from your diet.

Americans/Western-diet is wrong because we eat too much, we eat too often and we eat the wrong foods. Our calories are too fuking high, sure, but we're also constantly feeding, from the 3+ meals a day, constant snacks, drinking HFCS drinks throughout the day -- our bodies are constantly in fat storing mode, from the hormones, we're constantly eating because we're always hungry, from the hormones, and we eat and eat and eat and get fatter as a result.

This big IF craze, one reason it tends to work for many people -- you give your body a chance to actually access it's fat stores. You skip breakfast, sometimes lunch, you're not snacking, you're not drinking bullchit sodas throughout the day. Insulin levels drop, your body breaks down the fat stored throughout it for the energy it needs as it was intended.

Your post above: Fat people are constantly grazing. Yes, they are. They do because of the bad habits they've built and because they eat garbage that does not induce satiety. Weeks, months or years of bad eating has created hormone imbalances, they are actually resistant to the hormone LEPTIN which causes satiety. They eat, they don't feel full, they eat more and more and over time they get more and more fuked on a hormonal level and this is why people tend to only go in one direction with weight gain.

Sometimes they take steps to undo this but if they don't address the underlying hormonal problems with insulin, ghrelin, leptin and such - there is a big reason why so many diets FAIL in the long term. They drop weight but the underlying problems persist and about 95% of the time end up regaining the weight with their CICO diets that don't address hormones.

Ask a CICO zealot why there is NEVER a Biggest Loser Reunion. Nope. Not once. In fact, pretty much all of the contestants and in several caseseven the trainersend up back being big fat people. Why is that, hmm? I thought it's all about calories? I guess all these people who we fuking watch go through inhuman levels of mental endurance are ALL fuking weak willed *******s all of a sudden??

Weight and inactivity won't do your knees any favors, but another factor is that those garbage oils are terrible about causing inflammation, which has a host of non-good sides associated with it.

Some of that is how they're used. I often eat a nice fatty salad that I drizzle with some olive oil. I don't cook with olive oil, though. Heating it up, for that oil, is the issue. I generally cook/fry with avocado or coconut oil if I'm having eggs or something.

Oh ok I misunderstood, I thought you'd come around but you're still arguing what you eat has no direct physiological affect on TDEE or body composition like a tard

This is literally more retarded than IIFYM, it's just IIFYC

The first law of thermodynamics is not the be all end all of nutrition. Recognising that 1000 cals/day of vegetable oil plus normal diet will make you fatter than 1000 cals/day of coconut oil plus normal diet is a start. It also doesn't absolve people of responsibility for their obesity.

I have been wondering recently if it is just corn in general. The use of corn byproducts - oil and syrup - definitely coincides with obesity - which all goes back to the government subsidizing farmers for corn production.

But then you have to consider that they do use corn to fatten livestock before slaughter even in it's natural state it might not be the best for us

Corn is a big part of the Omega 6 overload theory. Not just because we eat corn directly, but because it is also used for livestock and changes the Omega 3:6 ratio of the animals that we eat.

Then there is the whole drenched in glyphosate thing too which we were told doesn't directly affect humans, but does affect our gut bacteria.



https://www.gmoscience.org/glyphosat...imate-pathway/

It was also recently labeled a likely carcinogen:



https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...te-aka-roundup

I can see you're really being sucked into the science of it all. You can analyze all you want but it's already been figured out-- eat less, exercise more. It's that simple. Most people eat more and exercise less, hence increasing fatness.

That being said yes glyphosate is a terrible thing to consume and you can't really wash it off so definitely stick to organic foods for your health but carcinogens have nothing to do with fatness.

Excess calories make you fat and that's a fact and I'm saying no more. You must seriously be lacking something in your life when you've resorted to calling me 3 different names on an online forum because you have a different opinion. I hope you resolve whatever issues it is that causes you to go on like that

The amount of oil you'd use to cook dinner is so small if used in normal quantities,
that it's really pointless to stress about a teaspoon of olive oil vs a teaspoon of coconut oil.
You do not need to micro manage diet to such absurd extents.

Calorie in vs calorie out works wonders. Count your calories, eat a balanced diet and that's all there is to it.

Even on a 1600 calorie diet, i still had mcdonalds once every 2 weeks, or some chocolate etc.
Still i got absolutely shredded below 10% bodyfat.
No one will diet 100% strict unless they want to be super miserable.
And anyone blaming their weight gain on the type of oil they use are completely clueless, unless entire daily calorie consumption consists of 90% oil.

Most people don't cook dinner from scratch, and the average American consumes a huge amount of PUFAs.

Counting calories is more micromanaging than avoiding bad fats, which actually is not micromanaging at all. I have no PUFAs in my cupboards, I don't weigh or measure the amount of fat I use in cooking, and I try to avoid prepackaged food or fried food when eating out if possible. I have never and will never count calories.

People like to use exuses to validate their chit behavior.
Brb let me gorge on food every day, eat way more calories than my daily needs, or than my diet requires if i wanted to lose weight. So let me find something to blame.

Can't believe people are so dense. it's already proven if you eat a calorie deficit (plus optional exercise), that you'll lose weight.
But nah can't have it that simple can we? Gotta find a boogeyman.

No one is denying thermodynamics, we are just saying that there is far more to it than that. No one is trying to absolve fat people of responsibility, I detest fat people, they are disgusting and weak willed, but mostly they are stupid and need help. Yes people need to eat less and move more, they also need to eat different foods. You IIFYC guys are the ones being dense.

But can you show how much difference a teaspoon of olive oil makes, vs a teaspoon of coconut oil?
You keep talking about these bad fats. Sure it exists, but how much of a difference does it really make?

like i said before, unless the majority of your calories come from these bad fats, it's really not going to matter much.
The main culprit is still eating more calories than you need.
That's why people get fat.

Why worry about a mosquito when there's an elephant in your living room? People itt are talking about these bad fats like they're the devil, meanwhile they're stuffing their face with food.
And even with bad fats, mcdonalds, and junk food, you can still lose weight and get below 10% bodyfat if you simply stick to a calorie deficit.
So it's obvious that the main focus point should not be bad fats. and that these bad fats are not the reason why people are overweight.

All this talk about something so insignificant just seems dumb to me. But everyone is free to do what they want.
Want to blame oil/fats for being fat while you eat 5000 calories a day? whatever makes you sleep better in the end.

I cook all my own meals. And when i started counting my calories, my results changed drastically like day and night.
If you actually counted your calories, weighed your food etc, you'd look a lot better physique wise.

People can still gain weight on healthy food without bad fats. It's called eating more calories than they need. That's why calorie counting is important.
And it hardly takes time with sites like myfitnesspal. But if you don't want optimal results, then you shouldn't count them. To each their own.

I can see you're really being sucked into the science of it all. You can analyze all you want but it's already been figured out-- eat less, exercise more. It's that simple. Most people eat more and exercise less, hence increasing fatness.

That being said yes glyphosate is a terrible thing to consume and you can't really wash it off so definitely stick to organic foods for your health but carcinogens have nothing to do with fatness.

I disagree, because it is impossible to calculate TDEE with any great accuracy, so any calorie target you aim for is basically arbitrary. I always know if I'm eating enough to gain or lose weight so counting precisely would be no different, it would just involve unnecessary work.

Yes it's impossible to calculate TDEE accurately but it's not impossible to calculate how many calories you consume, how much protein etc.

If you're not counting calories, you really have no idea what you're consuming. I used to be the same and thought i could guess it. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Again, you have never counted calories. You don't know the difference it makes when you become super strict and keep track of your daily calories/protein etc.

Not too useful though when contemplating the cause of a population wide increase in obesity.

The reason obesity occurs is because people stuff themselves with chit food, too much food and no exercise.
It's not rocket science. It doesn't matter what the rest of the population does.
It's already discovered how to get in shape, how to lose weight, how to get a desired body etc.

Just because the majority of people decide to do the opposite of what they should do, doesn't mean that therefore the way to do it right suddenly became invalid.
If everyone followed a strict diet and exercised and miraculously still got fat, then you have a valid concern. That however, is not the case.

But can you show how much difference a teaspoon of olive oil makes, vs a teaspoon of coconut oil?
You keep talking about these bad fats. Sure it exists, but how much of a difference does it really make?

like i said before, unless the majority of your calories come from these bad fats, it's really not going to matter much.
The main culprit is still eating more calories than you need.
That's why people get fat.

Why worry about a mosquito when there's an elephant in your living room? People itt are talking about these bad fats like they're the devil, meanwhile they're stuffing their face with food.
And even with bad fats, mcdonalds, and junk food, you can still lose weight and get below 10% bodyfat if you simply stick to a calorie deficit.
So it's obvious that the main focus point should not be bad fats. and that these bad fats are not the reason why people are overweight.

All this talk about something so insignificant just seems dumb to me. But everyone is free to do what they want.
Want to blame oil/fats for being fat while you eat 5000 calories a day? whatever makes you sleep better in the end.

Can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Yes it's impossible to calculate TDEE accurately but it's not impossible to calculate how many calories you consume, how much protein etc.
If you're not counting calories, you really have no fukking idea what you're consuming.

Again, you have never counted calories. You don't know the difference it makes when you become super strict and keep track of your daily calories/protein etc.
But if you did, you'd know the difference it actually makes. There's no point of me trying to convince you though because you already stated you never will count them.
And that's fine with me. Just know you're missing out on great results.
And personally i'm a believer that if you pursue something, you should pursue it a 100%. Nothing half assed.
Since diet makes up like 60% of your total gains/phsyique. It's an abomination to give it your all in the gym and then just assume you're eating the right amount without spending 2 minutes a day counting your calories by logging the foods on myfitnesspal.

But again, you should do you.

I just think it's an absolute joke people are focussing about bad fats, when the main culprit are calories.
Brb let me worry bout the few raindrops that ends on my floor through an open window, while the bathtub is overflowing with water and putting everything under water that i'll just ignore. That seems like an optimal strategy /s.