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Originally Posted By safcpaul⏩
You are so retarded you have just totally missed the pointBRB going to go have 10000 calories of coconut fat because it's healthy so I won't put on weight lol
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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩
The problem with the food industries is theyre too set in their ways. Its far easier for them to lobby and try to brainwash the public into thinking their products are good for the consumer instead changing their product to something thats ACTUALLY healthy.The reason obesity occurs is because people stuff themselves with chit food, too much food and no exercise.
It's not rocket science. It doesn't matter what the rest of the population does.
It's already discovered how to get in shape, how to lose weight, how to get a desired body etc.
Just because the majority of people decide to do the opposite of what they should do, doesn't mean that therefore the way to do it right suddenly became invalid.
If everyone followed a strict diet and exercised and miraculously still got fat, then you have a valid concern. That however, is not the case.
It's not rocket science. It doesn't matter what the rest of the population does.
It's already discovered how to get in shape, how to lose weight, how to get a desired body etc.
Just because the majority of people decide to do the opposite of what they should do, doesn't mean that therefore the way to do it right suddenly became invalid.
If everyone followed a strict diet and exercised and miraculously still got fat, then you have a valid concern. That however, is not the case.
of course, this doesnt absolve the public from doing the right things i.e. eating the right diet and exercising but it certainly makes seeking a healthier lifestyle hard mode. Most the foods you see on store shelves are chit and chit for you. Learning how to find the healthy items takes time and effort. Japan is a good example of mass produced foods and snacks that arent trash and i'd like to see food producers switch to a model similar to this.
In the meantime, yes, people will need to take the time to research quality foods and proper exercise or just pay someone to tell them what to do but considering how lazy americans are i wont hold my breath
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10-22-2020, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Just because people count calories, doesn't mean they are doing everything else right. If you're drawing a conclusion from that, then that's an incredibly dumb conclusion to make.,besides I know plenty of people who count and make basically no gains
Anyone can count calories and still eat chit diet. Anyone can count calories and hardly put effort in the gym.
Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
You call counting calories autistic. That alone should speak volume. Since when it counting calories autistic?I'm not about to get her to precisely measure everything she serves to me because I'm not autistic,
Does counting your reps also fall into the autistic category? How about keeping track of how much weight you lift?
Yeah it's really difficult to put 100 grams of pasta on a food scale and then cook it... And then spending 10 seconds to log it on myfitness pal. Such autism!
You refuse to spend 2 minutes a day counting calories. The fact that you're so adamant on not counting calories is a joke.
If you are too lazy for it, or don't care about your gains. So be it. But don't bash it.
You've never counted calories before. You have no idea what difference it makes. Otherwise you would've been a lot more shredded and your physique would've looked a lot better.
But whatever. People like you will always exist. People who are too dense and stuck in their own way. Then do you. It's your body.
People who want to stuff themselves and blame bad fats? Go for it.
In the end, i couldn't care less who gets fat. Or who gets mediocre gym results.
Do what makes you happy. Idiots will always exist.
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10-22-2020, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Who is “us all” I’ve been fit my entire life and it wasn’t that hardActually refined vegetable oils in general.
It's a theory I heard before and maybe you have too. I came across the pro-Paleo blog (Mark's Daily Apple) way back which went big on PUFAs and the Omega 3/Omega 6 imbalance in the Standard American Diet.
Then I caught a JRE interview over the weekend with a pro-carnivore diet guy. I'm not a "one true path" kind of gal, nor do I buy into whatever the latest fad is, mainly because BTDT.
His info on vegetable oils seems strong though. He shared graphics re:consumption rates of vegetable oils in relation to rising obesity rates. Pointed out that other dietary components have remained flat (eggs, dairy, red meat, grains) or trended downward (sugars) while vegetable oil consumption has continued upward.
Soybean Oil- they charge for a labeled graph:
Canola Oil- same, $$:
Obesity trend:
Why does it matter which particular food is making people fatter? Dr. Saladino claims that vegetable oil cause fat cells to become larger vs. multiply until these bloated fat cells break open and this creates inflammation in the body (aka Metabolic Syndrome).
Metabolic Syndrome prevalence in the US is estimated at about 33% and is correlated with increased mortality.
https://www.hcplive.com/view/metabol...s-young-adults
Caveats: correlation|causation, multifactorial condition, epidemiology, etc.
It's a theory I heard before and maybe you have too. I came across the pro-Paleo blog (Mark's Daily Apple) way back which went big on PUFAs and the Omega 3/Omega 6 imbalance in the Standard American Diet.
Then I caught a JRE interview over the weekend with a pro-carnivore diet guy. I'm not a "one true path" kind of gal, nor do I buy into whatever the latest fad is, mainly because BTDT.
His info on vegetable oils seems strong though. He shared graphics re:consumption rates of vegetable oils in relation to rising obesity rates. Pointed out that other dietary components have remained flat (eggs, dairy, red meat, grains) or trended downward (sugars) while vegetable oil consumption has continued upward.
Soybean Oil- they charge for a labeled graph:
Canola Oil- same, $$:
Obesity trend:
Why does it matter which particular food is making people fatter? Dr. Saladino claims that vegetable oil cause fat cells to become larger vs. multiply until these bloated fat cells break open and this creates inflammation in the body (aka Metabolic Syndrome).
Metabolic Syndrome prevalence in the US is estimated at about 33% and is correlated with increased mortality.
https://www.hcplive.com/view/metabol...s-young-adults
Caveats: correlation|causation, multifactorial condition, epidemiology, etc.
10-22-2020, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩
I could write the exact same thing in response, and tell you you won't listen and will continue to eat subpar quality food which is compromising your gains. You've never only eaten the best quality organic pastured meat and dairy and cut out all PUFAs, so you don't know what difference it makes.Just because peppe count calories, doesn't mean they are doing everything else right. If you're drawing a conclusion from that, then that's an incredibly dumb conclusion to make.
Anyone can count calories and still eat chit diet. Anyone can count calories and hardly put effort in the gym.
You call counting calories autistic. That alone should speak volume. Since when it counting calories autistic?
Does counting your reps also fall into the autistic categorie? How about keeping track of how much weight you lift?
Yeah it's really difficult to put 100 grams of pasta on a food scale and then cook it...
You refuse to spend 2 minutes a day counting calories. The fact that you're so adamant on not counting calories is a joke.
If you are too lazy for it, or don't care about your gains. So be it. But don't bash it.
You've never counted calories before. You have no idea what difference it makes. Otherwise you would've been a lot more shredded and your physique would've looked a lot better.
But whatever. People like you will always exist. People who are too dense and stuck in their own way. Then do you. It's your body.
People who want to stuff themselves and blame bad fats? Go for it.
In the end, i couldn't care less who gets fat. Or who gets mediocre gym results.
Do what makes you happy. Idiots will always exist.
Anyone can count calories and still eat chit diet. Anyone can count calories and hardly put effort in the gym.
You call counting calories autistic. That alone should speak volume. Since when it counting calories autistic?
Does counting your reps also fall into the autistic categorie? How about keeping track of how much weight you lift?
Yeah it's really difficult to put 100 grams of pasta on a food scale and then cook it...
You refuse to spend 2 minutes a day counting calories. The fact that you're so adamant on not counting calories is a joke.
If you are too lazy for it, or don't care about your gains. So be it. But don't bash it.
You've never counted calories before. You have no idea what difference it makes. Otherwise you would've been a lot more shredded and your physique would've looked a lot better.
But whatever. People like you will always exist. People who are too dense and stuck in their own way. Then do you. It's your body.
People who want to stuff themselves and blame bad fats? Go for it.
In the end, i couldn't care less who gets fat. Or who gets mediocre gym results.
Do what makes you happy. Idiots will always exist.
10-22-2020, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Haha can you not have a discussion without throwing insults. You definitely have an issue. Maybe you are overcompensating for a small penis or something?You are so retarded you have just totally missed the point
And you just made your disgusting skinnyfat gallery photos private in the last 45 minutes LMAAOOO
And you just made your disgusting skinnyfat gallery photos private in the last 45 minutes LMAAOOO
10-22-2020, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
No chit i haven't eaten the best quality food. That cost money. Same reason why i haven't been eating in 3 star michelin restaurants.I could write the exact same thing in response, and tell you you won't listen and will continue to eat subpar quality food which is compromising your gains. You've never only eaten the best quality organic pastured meat and dairy and cut out all PUFAs, so you don't know what difference it makes.
What i can tell you is that i cook all my own food.
And when i cooked my own food and simply guessed the amount i was eating like you're doing, i saw mediocre results.
When i started being strict and counted calories, the differences were insane. People started asking if i was on juice in the gym.
Got a six pack, shredded body, daily compliments.
So what does that tell you? It tells you that when someone has the exact same diet. Whether that includes PUFA's or not.
That counting calories works. But you wouldn't know anything about that because herp derp counting calories is austistic and i'll never do it.
Whatever.
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10-22-2020, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
In this context the general public of the US, though some other countries have also been catching up.Who is “us all” I’ve been fit my entire life and it wasn’t that hard
Originally Posted By Realityy⏩
And I think this seems very likely.The culprit is excess calories at the end of the day but the “bad fats” are contributing factors to metabolic disease and inflammation which in turn promotes a ****ty metabolism and fat gain.You can have a cheat meal here and there sure, but most people are eating these things daily. the damage adds up over time and then people start blaming their slow metabolism when in reality it’s all the junk food that has wrecked their metabolic health and hormones.
Originally Posted By AkshullyizDaren⏩
Yes, most people aren't going to make a consistent effort to count calories or even watch portions.The problem with the food industries is theyre too set in their ways. Its far easier for them to lobby and try to brainwash the public into thinking their products are good for the consumer instead changing their product to something thats ACTUALLY healthy.
of course, this doesnt absolve the public from doing the right things i.e. eating the right diet and exercising but it certainly makes seeking a healthier lifestyle hard mode.Most the foods you see on store shelves are chit and chit for you. Learning how to find the healthy items takes time and effort. Japan is a good example of mass produced foods and snacks that arent trash and i'd like to see food producers switch to a model similar to this.
In the meantime, yes, people will need to take the time to research quality foods and proper exercise or just pay someone to tell them what to do but considering how lazy americans are i wont hold my breath
of course, this doesnt absolve the public from doing the right things i.e. eating the right diet and exercising but it certainly makes seeking a healthier lifestyle hard mode.Most the foods you see on store shelves are chit and chit for you. Learning how to find the healthy items takes time and effort. Japan is a good example of mass produced foods and snacks that arent trash and i'd like to see food producers switch to a model similar to this.
In the meantime, yes, people will need to take the time to research quality foods and proper exercise or just pay someone to tell them what to do but considering how lazy americans are i wont hold my breath
I think having calorie counts at chain restaurants is a good start. Overall simpler food labeling would be great. What percentage of the US population can easily understand grams of sugar or fat? Tsp and maybe pats of butter could work better- like a little spoon shape symbol with6on the front of the package instead of a teeny24 gon the back.
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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩
This is one of those things that although theoretically possible but is pretty much never a reality. I personally don't know any fat people who became that way by eating too much chicken and broccoli.People can still gain weight on healthy food without bad fats.
When you look a fat person's diet they're pretty much always gorging on sweets, soda and fast food in large quantities.
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Ok, explain to me on a biological level how the human body stores fat. Do that without using the word, "insulin". I'll wait.Wot. Fats have more calories than carbs and protein per gram by more than double. You have to look at every angle, you can’t just leave one out.
I'm not a anti-CICO zealot, I do recognize the importance of calories when it comes to fat loss or gain, but CICO by itself is trash and just wrong, provenly so, these eat-less-move-more diets have a long term failure rate something like 95-97%.
Hormones and the foods you eat are at the least as important as overall calories, but it's in a sense of whether a gun is more important than bullets, it's a system where both mater significantly.
Let's pretend CICO is the be all end all.
Explain this, prior to puberty - boys and girls are roughly the same body type. Roughly same size, body composition is not that diverse. Suddenly, boys and girls hit puberty. Boys gain muscle mass and overall much more body mass. Girls gain fat all over their bodies in very specific areas. Darn those calories! Why do girls just start eating more during puberty and stop working out where boys all eat more and all begin a intense muscle-building workout program! CICO is the ONLY answer, so that is what happens. EVERY boy eats more calories while working out and gains muscle, all those lazy girls pig out and don't work out and get fat.
Right? No other reason why that happens?
Meanwhile, these hormones that do absolutely nothing flood both boys and girls during this period. I honestly don't even know why these pointless things even exist as they do nothing.
... just like all those pointless hormones that do nothing in adult bodies. CICO is the ONLY factor.
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10-23-2020, 09:17 AM
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No, I don't think it's just one thing that made people obese, but a combo of things.
Terrible processed foods combined with a convenience lifestyle afforded to us by evolving technology meant people didn't have to work as hard to eat. Or eat well.
No, I don't think it's just one thing that made people obese, but a combo of things.
Terrible processed foods combined with a convenience lifestyle afforded to us by evolving technology meant people didn't have to work as hard to eat. Or eat well.
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Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
While monsanto are cucks said soy is mostly used to feed animals and livestock.Correct.
It's Monsanto Soy to be precise, it is also driving the epidemic of soy males aka Liberal males.
It's Monsanto Soy to be precise, it is also driving the epidemic of soy males aka Liberal males.
The really bad part is since you need lots of soy to feed livestock as opposed to humans you need HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE amounts of land to cultivate said toxic monsanto soy. IT's also an intensive thirsty monocrop so you get all sorts of massive soil degradation and environmental issues when planting soy. It's one of the kuntiest crops to grow.
The whole myth of the "soy" and the liberal twinks is just a myth. Soy milk tastes like chit and I doubt the average soycuck even eats soy the percentage of said cucks that eat soylent is really tiny
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
What are you talking about? I didn’t mention insulin anywhere, If you eat an excess of calories you will gain weight for your personal calorific maintenance. Fat contains double the calories per gram than carbs and protein, so you have to take that into account when thinking about how to lose weight/stay at your optimal weight. If you replaced all your carbs with fats gram for gram then you would gain weight quickly. That’s not to say fat is bad, but you have to take into account the fact it is higher calorie per gram.Ok, explain to me on a biological level how the human body stores fat. Do that without using the word, "insulin". I'll wait.
I'm not a anti-CICO zealot, I do recognize the importance of calories when it comes to fat loss or gain, but CICO by itself is trash and just wrong, provenly so, these eat-less-move-more diets have a long term failure rate something like 95-97%.
Hormones and the foods you eat are at the least as important as overall calories, but it's in a sense of whether a gun is more important than bullets, it's a system where both mater significantly.
Let's pretend CICO is the be all end all.
Explain this, prior to puberty - boys and girls are roughly the same body type. Roughly same size, body composition is not that diverse. Suddenly, boys and girls hit puberty. Boys gain muscle mass and overall much more body mass. Girls gain fat all over their bodies in very specific areas. Darn those calories! Why do girls just start eating more during puberty and stop working out where boys all eat more and all begin a intense muscle-building workout program! CICO is the ONLY answer, so that is what happens. EVERY boy eats more calories while working out and gains muscle, all those lazy girls pig out and don't work out and get fat.
Right? No other reason why that happens?
Meanwhile, these hormones that do absolutely nothing flood both boys and girls during this period. I honestly don't even know why these pointless things even exist as they do nothing.
... just like all those pointless hormones that do nothing in adult bodies. CICO is the ONLY factor.
I'm not a anti-CICO zealot, I do recognize the importance of calories when it comes to fat loss or gain, but CICO by itself is trash and just wrong, provenly so, these eat-less-move-more diets have a long term failure rate something like 95-97%.
Hormones and the foods you eat are at the least as important as overall calories, but it's in a sense of whether a gun is more important than bullets, it's a system where both mater significantly.
Let's pretend CICO is the be all end all.
Explain this, prior to puberty - boys and girls are roughly the same body type. Roughly same size, body composition is not that diverse. Suddenly, boys and girls hit puberty. Boys gain muscle mass and overall much more body mass. Girls gain fat all over their bodies in very specific areas. Darn those calories! Why do girls just start eating more during puberty and stop working out where boys all eat more and all begin a intense muscle-building workout program! CICO is the ONLY answer, so that is what happens. EVERY boy eats more calories while working out and gains muscle, all those lazy girls pig out and don't work out and get fat.
Right? No other reason why that happens?
Meanwhile, these hormones that do absolutely nothing flood both boys and girls during this period. I honestly don't even know why these pointless things even exist as they do nothing.
... just like all those pointless hormones that do nothing in adult bodies. CICO is the ONLY factor.
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10-30-2020, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Yes, I asked how. What happens in the human body that causes these calories to get stored as energy in the form of adipose tissue. Is it mystic in nature? Do tiny fairies who live inside our stomachs perform a magical dance that turns the calories into goblins that they then engage in combat with and defeat and then send them to Goblin purgatory, which is them stored as fat? Is that how it works... OR is there another way in which humans store fat?What are you talking about? I didn’t mention insulin anywhere, If you eat an excess of calories you will gain weight for your personal calorific maintenance.
Fat contains double the calories per gram than carbs and protein, so you have to take that into account when thinking about how to lose weight/stay at your optimal weight. If you replaced all your carbs with fats gram for gram then you would gain weight quickly. That’s not to say fat is bad, but you have to take into account the fact it is higher calorie per gram.
Hey, tell me what happens when a Type 1 diabetic stops eating carbs and replaces those with fat?You said they would gain weight quickly. Is that how it works?
Here, throughout history and before insulin was discovered in the 1920s, people just wasted away and died very close to 100% of the time (and, we assume that fraction who had diabetes who do not die from it got kicked by a mule or had a piano fall on them first). Wish you'd been around to tell them to just eat more. Think of the lives that would be saved. In fact, even here in 2020, all these Type 1 diabetics are stupidly injecting themselves with Insulin when all they need to do is listen to this CICO is *Everything-Be-All-End-All-ONLY-factor* advice and eat more. Instead these morons apparently all stop eating and waste away and die. Why are they all so stupid? Why do they stop all eating and die?
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I think these people are literally too stupid to understand...
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Fast food, processed foods, etc are making us fat. Basically food that was "created" in a lab/factory.
10-30-2020, 10:37 AM
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Eating too much and exercising too little.
Being fit is a life long endeavor. You can't just do it for 5 years, 10, or more then stop; it has to be constant. This requires effort and discipline so naturally most people are ditch pigs looking for a scientific scapegoat.
It really is simple for 95% of the world, just don't be fat. Stop fatting.
Being fit is a life long endeavor. You can't just do it for 5 years, 10, or more then stop; it has to be constant. This requires effort and discipline so naturally most people are ditch pigs looking for a scientific scapegoat.
It really is simple for 95% of the world, just don't be fat. Stop fatting.
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Originally Posted By homers54321⏩
THISFast food, processed foods, etc are making us fat. Basically food that was "created" in a lab/factory.
Night and day of a difference when eating real organic food vs overprocessed crap
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
You’re literally spouting a ton of ****. I didn’t once say that I would tell diabetics to just eat more, infact I didn’t mention diabetics at all. all I’ve done is stated a couple of very basic facts. Iam well aware of the power of keto/carnivore for losing weight, but if you eat too many calories on either diet you will still gain weight, it’s that simple.Yes, I asked how. What happens in the human body that causes these calories to get stored as energy in the form of adipose tissue. Is it mystic in nature? Do tiny fairies who live inside our stomachs perform a magical dance that turns the calories into goblins that they then engage in combat with and defeat and then send them to Goblin purgatory, which is them stored as fat? Is that how it works... OR is there another way in which humans store fat?
Hey, tell me what happens when a Type 1 diabetic stops eating carbs and replaces those with fat?
You said they would gain weight quickly. Is that how it works?
Here, throughout history and before insulin was discovered in the 1920s, people just wasted away and died very close to 100% of the time (and, we assume that fraction who had diabetes who do not die from it got kicked by a mule or had a piano fall on them first). Wish you'd been around to tell them to just eat more. Think of the lives that would be saved. In fact, even here in 2020, all these Type 1 diabetics are stupidly injecting themselves with Insulin when all they need to do is listen to this CICO is *Everything-Be-All-End-All-ONLY-factor* advice and eat more. Instead these morons apparently all stop eating and waste away and die. Why are they all so stupid? Why do they stop all eating and die?
Hey, tell me what happens when a Type 1 diabetic stops eating carbs and replaces those with fat?
You said they would gain weight quickly. Is that how it works?
Here, throughout history and before insulin was discovered in the 1920s, people just wasted away and died very close to 100% of the time (and, we assume that fraction who had diabetes who do not die from it got kicked by a mule or had a piano fall on them first). Wish you'd been around to tell them to just eat more. Think of the lives that would be saved. In fact, even here in 2020, all these Type 1 diabetics are stupidly injecting themselves with Insulin when all they need to do is listen to this CICO is *Everything-Be-All-End-All-ONLY-factor* advice and eat more. Instead these morons apparently all stop eating and waste away and die. Why are they all so stupid? Why do they stop all eating and die?
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
I'm asking you questions you have no fuking clue what they are and instead of just saying, "yo bro I dont know man, I always just heard calories in, calories out bro, you know bro, bro" and maybe opening your head to this idea you need to Learn new things, instead of that you just keep saying, "uhhh calories bro, I don't know about these 'hermoons' and 'eensuloon' you keep talking about bro, but i know calories bro. they're all that matters bro"You’re literally spouting a ton of ****. I didn’t once say that I would tell diabetics to just eat more, infact I didn’t mention diabetics at all. all I’ve done is stated a couple of very basic facts. Iam well aware of the power of keto/carnivore for losing weight, but if you eat too many calories on either diet you will still gain weight, it’s that simple.
Let me ask like I would a child: How does an excess calorie get turned into fat by the body? How does that work? What happens inside your body that takes those excess calories and then stores that energy as fat?
(And: for the record I am not a proponent of a Keto diet or a carnivore diet; they're just there. Some people might like them. Completely unnecessary at least in terms of losing fat; if a carnivore advocate wants to tell me it helps them with food allergies or something, I won't dispute it as that's way beyond my wheelhouse)
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Yes vegetable oils do have a negative effect and are something we can actually point to being poisonous to our health. Look it up. I think even Stan Efferding talked about this.
All these restaurants use them too. They get the cheapest oils they can in bulk. I only cook with pure extra virgin olive oil (from a company that has been tested to actually use real olive oil and not fillers falsely advertised). I have sometimes used coconut oil too.
It's just one of many little things that have continuously added up over time to create a fat society. It's never really just one thing. You can't put the blame on just this.
Vegetable oils, over-consumption, synthetic food, high sodium food, not exercising, etc. It all adds up.
This is why we should all really start to look to cooking our own food a majority of the time. Also start growing our own food. Get things as raw and untouched as possible.
I'm going to make a thread next week on some stuff I've been doing that a lot of people can do in terms of this.
All these restaurants use them too. They get the cheapest oils they can in bulk. I only cook with pure extra virgin olive oil (from a company that has been tested to actually use real olive oil and not fillers falsely advertised). I have sometimes used coconut oil too.
It's just one of many little things that have continuously added up over time to create a fat society. It's never really just one thing. You can't put the blame on just this.
Vegetable oils, over-consumption, synthetic food, high sodium food, not exercising, etc. It all adds up.
This is why we should all really start to look to cooking our own food a majority of the time. Also start growing our own food. Get things as raw and untouched as possible.
I'm going to make a thread next week on some stuff I've been doing that a lot of people can do in terms of this.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
The mistake you’re making (other than acting like a moronic teenage girl and putting lots of annoying words in my mouth) is that I want to sit here and explain something Scientific which you or I could quickly google and find the answer for. Iam not doing any of that, I’m not speaking about insulin, diabetes, or anything of that type. Iam simply stating that an excess of calories will lead to gaining weight. If you still can’t understand that after the third time of me saying it then you should spend some time working on your own intelligence and personality to a point where you’re able to function in the world.I'm asking you questions you have no fuking clue what they are and instead of just saying, "yo bro I dont know man, I always just heard calories in, calories out bro, you know bro, bro" and maybe opening your head to this idea you need to Learn new things, instead of that you just keep saying, "uhhh calories bro, I don't know about these 'hermoons' and 'eensuloon' you keep talking about bro, but i know calories bro. they're all that matters bro"
Let me ask like I would a child: How does an excess calorie get turned into fat by the body? How does that work? What happens inside your body that takes those excess calories and then stores that energy as fat?
(And: for the record I am not a proponent of a Keto diet or a carnivore diet; they're just there. Some people might like them. Completely unnecessary at least in terms of losing fat; if a carnivore advocate wants to tell me it helps them with food allergies or something, I won't dispute it as that's way beyond my wheelhouse)
Let me ask like I would a child: How does an excess calorie get turned into fat by the body? How does that work? What happens inside your body that takes those excess calories and then stores that energy as fat?
(And: for the record I am not a proponent of a Keto diet or a carnivore diet; they're just there. Some people might like them. Completely unnecessary at least in terms of losing fat; if a carnivore advocate wants to tell me it helps them with food allergies or something, I won't dispute it as that's way beyond my wheelhouse)
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Google it. Do whatever you want. Just tell us all HOW excess calories are stored as fat, you ignorant fuk.The mistake you’re making (other than acting like a moronic teenage girl and putting lots of annoying words in my mouth) is that I want to sit here and explain something Scientific which you or I could quickly google and find the answer for. Iam not doing any of that, I’m not speaking about insulin, diabetes, or anything of that type. Iam simply stating that an excess of calories will lead to gaining weight. If you still can’t understand that after the third time of me saying it then you should spend some time working on your own intelligence and personality to a point where you’re able to function in the world.
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You CICO zealots really are the worst.
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11-01-2020, 10:36 AM
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Former Carnivore gone full Vegetarian/Low Sodium due to GI/Acid Reflux issues for the time being.
I've never felt better or been better shape. Still having GI problems but almost 80% less than when I was eating meat. It was a hard switch but most of my protein is soy/plant protein. Tofu, beans, plant based protein shakes. 1 liter of water a day minimum with electrolyte powder thrown in.
Rice/bread is a killer. I noticed I gained fat on, I use Quinoa instead. Braggs Aminos Acid Soy sauce with tofu and no-salt-spices with quinoa is my every day dinner. Apples and fruits for snacks or munchie foods. Organic Raw fruits/Vegetables.
Sodium is also a big issue and can store a lot of water weight.
Also life insurance underwriter checking CICO is great when you're younger but I noticed that a lot of my clients who do that naturally (ex: two burgers/Chicken fried steak or just small portioned cabs all day and a snack here and there 5'10 160-170lb male 50s) are diabetic or pre-diabetic.
I've never felt better or been better shape. Still having GI problems but almost 80% less than when I was eating meat. It was a hard switch but most of my protein is soy/plant protein. Tofu, beans, plant based protein shakes. 1 liter of water a day minimum with electrolyte powder thrown in.
Rice/bread is a killer. I noticed I gained fat on, I use Quinoa instead. Braggs Aminos Acid Soy sauce with tofu and no-salt-spices with quinoa is my every day dinner. Apples and fruits for snacks or munchie foods. Organic Raw fruits/Vegetables.
Sodium is also a big issue and can store a lot of water weight.
Also life insurance underwriter checking CICO is great when you're younger but I noticed that a lot of my clients who do that naturally (ex: two burgers/Chicken fried steak or just small portioned cabs all day and a snack here and there 5'10 160-170lb male 50s) are diabetic or pre-diabetic.
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If anyone is wondering wtf I've been talking back and forth about with immune18, this is a 10 minute very basic discussion of it from a respected source, Dr. Jason Fung.
Originally Posted By jiujitsubro⏩
Interesting point and I see where you're coming from and why it makes sense.Former Carnivore gone full Vegetarian/Low Sodium due to GI/Acid Reflux issues for the time being.
I've never felt better or been better shape.
Sodium is also a big issue and can store a lot of water weight.
Also life insurance underwriter checking CICO is great when you're younger but I noticed that a lot of my clients who do that naturally (ex: two burgers/Chicken fried steak or just small portioned cabs all day and a snack here and there 5'10 160-170lb male 50s) are diabetic or pre-diabetic.
I've never felt better or been better shape.
Sodium is also a big issue and can store a lot of water weight.
Also life insurance underwriter checking CICO is great when you're younger but I noticed that a lot of my clients who do that naturally (ex: two burgers/Chicken fried steak or just small portioned cabs all day and a snack here and there 5'10 160-170lb male 50s) are diabetic or pre-diabetic.
Everyone is different when it comes to foods. I recently took a food allergy test, grains and corn were on the list, but also odd things like turkey and brussel sprouts. What works for one person isn't necessarily going to work for another.
On that last point, absolutely, and this points out a whole lot. I love seeing some fit kid in his 20s talking about how all it takes is CICO, just calories -- as if that means fuk all to some middle aged guy in his 40s with metabolic damage and a broken metabolism. Then you ask them a simple question, like what Insulin is, and they spurge out and attack you, suggest you googled it 10 minutes earlier, etc -- rather than just admit they aren't familiar with it.
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