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post 1621231421 11-03-2020, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
and multiculturalism isnt always bad, every country has more than one culture and most of the time it works good, its integration thats the issue
When they are a mix of the same baseline culture sure, such as Germans, Italians and Nordic’s in America.
Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
for example japan has monks and they have nerds that fuk pillows, both parties know not to talk in the trains in japan
Both are still Japanese


The only truly multicultural place I can think of that “works” is Singapore and that is because it’s a tiny island city run by a totalitarian government. Even they openly don’t want anymore Indian immigrants lol
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Originally Posted By moosik85⏩
The only truly multicultural place I can think of that “works” is Singapore and that is because it’s a tiny island city run by a totalitarian government. Even they openly don’t want anymore Indian immigrants lol
Ah so racist authoritarianism is the only way to make multiculturalism work. intredasting.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
what happens when you dont integrate people into your society and culture? you get more cultures within your country aka multiculturalism

so integration is the cause of multiculturalisn

and multiculturalism isnt always bad, every country has more than one culture and most of the time it works good, its integration thats the issue

for example japan has monks and they have nerds that fuk pillows, both parties know not to talk in the trains in japan
No, the west does enough to integrate them, it's an unwillingness from the muslims most of the time. For example they hardly know the native language of the country, etc.

Integration fails most of the time because they want to keep their culture and especially with Islam it will inevitably clash with the liberal west.

The only thing that could save multiculturalism is if the native country is extremely harsh and demands certain things and gives out hard punishments. For example, if a migrant commits a crime, he and his family would get deported immediately, etc. They laugh with the law now.

But even then, multiculturalism is doomed, many studies have proven this too btw.

Btw you're talking about subcultures in Asia, sure that works because they're still all japanese and have a shared history, etc. Absolutely not the same as what's going on in the west.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Why the fuk is Turkey in NATO lol

NATO is a joke, should have been scrapped 30 years ago
The ONLY reason Turkey is in NATO is because Anatolia is a very important strategic area.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
It's not an "integeration" issue, it's a multiculturalism issue. It doesn't work and only divides the nation, probably what the ruling class wants...

Multiculturalism is a childish naive leftist utopian dream. People want to live with their own.

Belgium is a great example, Brussels is a ****hole full of ghettos the police won't come.

Anyway looks like people are waking up in your country, isn't Vlaams Belang the biggest party there?
I don't know brah

as a kid I went to school with a lot of immigrants and at my football team the majority were immigrants and I never encountered any difficulties at all

it only starts at a later age that there seems to be a sense of "us" vs "them" so this is something that is the result of indoctrination rather than rooted imo

also: Vlaams Belang isn't the biggest party at all lol, last time it was N-VA in Flanders and PS in Wallonia I believe
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There are hundreds of known radical islamists in Austria who are being watched by secret service, the main attacker was one of them. The problem in this case was clearly lack of funding of Austrians secret service. Several other terrorists have been stopped in the past before they could strike but obviously effort must still be increased. Austria has somewhat become a safe haven for djihadists to regroup between fighting abroad which is probably also why it wasn’t a main terrorist target in the past itself. I hope at least now political pressure will be high enough to change that and get rid of those people.

And a short uplifting update: the shot cop was rescued by two civilians who managed to carry him to an ambulance while the shooting in this area was still going on.

Currently a massive arrest operation is going on basically taking in all people in close contact to the shooter.
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
I don't know brah

as a kid I went to school with a lot of immigrants and at my football team the majority were immigrants and I never encountered any difficulties at all

it only starts at a later age that there seems to be a sense of "us" vs "them" so this is something that is the result of indoctrination rather than rooted imo

also: Vlaams Belang isn't the biggest party at all lol, last time it was N-VA in Flanders and PS in Wallonia I believe
I doubt it starts at a later age, I believe most understand they're different from a young age even purely ethnically speaking. Culture makes the difference even bigger and when they grow older they understand they have no deeper connection with the country they live in. It's not indoctrination, the division is an inevitable consequence of multiculturalism.

Just checked the latest polls, seems Vlaams Belang is BY FAR the biggest party with a huge margin.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
No, the west does enough to integrate them, it's an unwillingness from the muslims most of the time. For example they hardly know the native language of the country, etc.

Integration fails most of the time because they want to keep their culture and especially with Islam it will inevitably clash with the liberal west.

The only thing that could save multiculturalism is if the native country is extremely harsh and demands certain things and gives out hard punishments. For example, if a migrant commits a crime, he and his family would get deported immediately, etc. They laugh with the law now.

But even then, multiculturalism is doomed, many studies have proven this too btw.

Btw you're talking about subcultures in Asia, sure that works because they're still all japanese and have a shared history, etc. Absolutely not the same as what's going on in the west.
I agree in that the problem lies within a certain group of immigrants who's traditional non-western value systems make integration very difficult. It can only be partly the responsibility of the host nation, most work must and should be done by the immigrants. Other groups of immigrants understand that and act accordingly.
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Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
I agree in that the problem lies within a certain group of immigrants who's traditional non-western value systems make integration very difficult. It can only be partly the responsibility of the host nation, most work must and should be done by the immigrants. Other groups of immigrants understand that and act accordingly.
True, there are hardly problems with asian migrants in the west because most of them completely integrate in society or atleast don't start sh*t.

Even in this case I'm not pro multiculturalism though, they're still people who do not share the same bond with the country as the natives.

Multiculturalism is an inferior societal construction that will inevitabley end up with domestic divisions in society, be it on the grounds of race, culture, etc. Ultimately weakening the country (and benefitting those who want to rule/conquer this divided and weak country)
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
stopped reading here cuz i know for a fact that is not the case, atleast in EU countries
Genuinely interested in what you mean by that.
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Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
There are hundreds of known radical islamists in Austria who are being watched by secret service, the main attacker was one of them. The problem in this case was clearly lack of funding of Austrians secret service. Several other terrorists have been stopped in the past before they could strike but obviously effort must still be increased. Austria has somewhat become a safe haven for djihadists to regroup between fighting abroad which is probably also why it wasn’t a main terrorist target in the past itself. I hope at least now political pressure will be high enough to change that and get rid of those people.

And a short uplifting update: the shot cop was rescued by two civilians who managed to carry him to an ambulance while the shooting in this area was still going on.

Currently a massive arrest operation is going on basically taking in all people in close contact to the shooter.
The problem is being so cucked that you just wait for them to do this instead of deporting them because 'muh human rights'.
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You'd assume they'd keep a closer watch on them...

"The dead perpetrator was 20-year-old Kurtin S. who was armed with an automatic rifle, pistol, and machete. He was shot and killed at 8:09 pm local time. Kurtin was born in Vienna in 2000, grew up there. He had north Macedonian roots, was a citizen of both Austria and Macedonia, and had a criminal record relating to terrorist activity.[20] Kurtin was known to the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, as he was one of around 90 Austrian Islamists who wanted to travel to Syria.[21][22]

On the morning of the day of the attack, one perpetrator posted various pictures on Instagram, including a pledge of allegiance to the leader of ISIL Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi, and images of him with the weapons that were later used.[citation needed] On the morning of 3 November, searches of apartments linked with the perpertrator took place. Investigators are now also checking whether one or more other perpetrators are on the run.[23]"
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Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
There are hundreds of known radical islamists in Austria who are being watched by secret service, the main attacker was one of them. The problem in this case was clearly lack of funding of Austrians secret service. Several other terrorists have been stopped in the past before they could strike but obviously effort must still be increased. Austria has somewhat become a safe haven for djihadists to regroup between fighting abroad which is probably also why it wasn’t a main terrorist target in the past itself. I hope at least now political pressure will be high enough to change that and get rid of those people.

And a short uplifting update: the shot cop was rescued by two civilians who managed to carry him to an ambulance while the shooting in this area was still going on.

Currently a massive arrest operation is going on basically taking in all people in close contact to the shooter.
Yes the obvious take from this is that the government needs MORE money lmao....

Not the fact they let these people stay at all.

It’s like saying hey it’s okay to have an easily curable cancer because the doctor is monitoring it. Every week going for checkups and outsourcing your health and safety to someone else instead of simply cutting out the cancer
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
The problem is being so cucked that you just wait for them to do this instead of deporting them because 'muh human rights'.
Well it's not that easy. But I agree that laws should change to make it a lot easier to get rid of radicals. Austria is one of the countries in the EU trying for a more pragmatic and rational way of immigration and deportation laws.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
if you think "Nordics in america" are anything close to germans you are very wrong, you plebs stick out like a sore thumb
american delusions again ITT, you guys left european culture behind when you went to the USA and are nothing alike
not saying you are bad or good or anything, you just will stick out easily




stopped reading here cuz i know for a fact that is not the case, atleast in EU countries

that wasn't even my point tbh, no need to discuss this since the main point of my original post was: our politicians dont care about us and only care for their own dumb agenda, so just look out for yourself by moneymaxxing etc
Agree with the last part.

But for integation, the EU already bends over backwards for migrants giving them free money, housing and education yet it's the EU doing not enough for them to integrate? Just lol, so migrants have no responsibility at all? Lol
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
The problem is being so cucked that you just wait for them to do this instead of deporting them because 'muh human rights'.
Originally Posted By moosik85⏩
Yes the obvious take from this is that the government needs MORE money lmao....

Not the fact they let these people stay at all.
you guys really seem to be under the impression these guys crossed the border last week to carry out an attack or something
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Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
Well it's not that easy. But I agree that laws should change to make it a lot easier to get rid of radicals. Austria is one of the countries in the EU trying for a more pragmatic and rational way of immigration and deportation laws.
Yeah I don't know much at all about your political situation but Austria is quite based, all the central European countries seem to be.
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Originally Posted By moosik85⏩
Yes the obvious take from this is that the government needs MORE money lmao....

Not the fact they let these people stay at all.

It’s like saying hey it’s okay to a easily curable cancer because the doctor is monitoring it. Every week going for checkups and outsourcing your health and safety to someone else instead of simply cutting out the cancer
Both must be done. Unfortunately the cancer is not cured that easily.
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
you guys really seem to be under the impression these guys crossed the border last week to carry out an attack or something
How? If they're on watch lists for good reason they should be deported regardless of how long they've been in the country.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
The problem is being so cucked that you just wait for them to do this instead of deporting them because 'muh human rights'.
Absolutely correct all these internation treaties, etc make it impossible to have a good migration policy.

Also note that most judges are nothing more than leftists political activists.

We need strong reforms.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
How? If they're on watch lists for good reason they should be deported regardless of how long they've been in the country.
deported WHERE?

srsly, if they were born and raised in country A, where the fuk should you deport them to?
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
How? If they're on watch lists for good reason they should be deported regardless of how long they've been in the country.
It's a mistake a lot of people make. Some believe being born in a country magically makes them for example belgian.

They're "belgian" only on paper of course. Anyway, these are uncomfortable things that need to happen and be changed or it's the end for europe. But it is what it is, these things won't change so I know how the future will be.
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
deported WHERE?

srsly, if they were born and raised in country A, where the fuk should you deport them to?
Wherever their ancestors were from, or some cuck country like Canada.
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
deported WHERE?

srsly, if they were born and raised in country A, where the fuk should you deport them to?
Easy, where did their parents, ancestors come from? Probably cost some money to get them out but worth it.
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Originally Posted By TokenV⏩
deported WHERE?

srsly, if they were born and raised in country A, where the fuk should you deport them to?
Guantánamo Bay
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Wherever their ancestors were from, or some cuck country like Canada.
Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Easy, where did their parents, ancestors come from? Probably cost some money to get them out but worth it.
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Guantánamo Bay
never change Misc lmfao
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never change Misc lmfao
Why not? And if that's not possible deport them to whatever ****hole wants to take them in, pay the country some money so you can get rid of them.

Seriously it's this cuck attitude that started this mess, you do know they laugh at your laws right?

Btw are you flemish or walloon?
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Absolutely correct all these internation treaties, etc make it impossible to have a good migration policy.

Also note that most judges are nothing more than leftists political activists.

We need strong reforms.
From an ethical standpoint, no one in Austria understands why you can’t get rid of obviously dangerous people. This includes most politicians as well, even on the left side of the spectrum. The underlying laws however are not that easy to change, partly because of human rights and EU laws. But also because even if a person is decided to be deported, there is often no country you can deport them to.

At some point the EU has to step off its high horse and start to deal with these issues instead of hiding behind a huge system of ancient laws that often even contradict each other.
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Originally Posted By ****inator⏩
Why not? And if that's not possible deport them to whatever ****hole wants to take them in, pay the country some money so you can get rid of them.

Seriously it's this cuck attitude that started this mess, you do know they laugh at your laws right?

Btw are you flemish or walloon?
just to be clear: I'm not denying there is a problem here

I'm only stating that the "deport them" ship has sailed generations ago

Flemish boyo
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Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
From an ethical standpoint, no one in Austria understands why you can’t get rid of obviously dangerous people. This includes most politicians as well, even on the left side of the spectrum. The underlying laws however are not that easy to change, partly because of human rights and EU laws. But also because even if a person is decided to be deported, there is often no country you can deport them to.

At some point the EU has to step off its high horse and start to deal with these issues instead of hiding behind a huge system of ancient laws that often even contradict each other.
Indeed, these laws are self sabotaging.

But in the end the countries can say fck it, not much the EU can do anyway. Look at Poland, Hungary, Great Britain,... The EU knows if it pushes too hard, more countries will leave the EU, brexit was a disaster for the "EU project"

And like I said, you will find enough countries on this planet that will take them in if you pay them, enough ****holes.
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