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post 1625714833 12-16-2020, 10:52 AM
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Lol'd at thinking the reason I do cardio is to stay lean. Some people have self-control when it comes to eating lmfao
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Cardio is for working out your heart... that's why it's called cardio...

People just associate it with burning calories because of stupid calorie counters on boring cardio machines.
This. I just use it for extra cals(i dont listen to the machine nor do I eat them back) and mainly heart health/conditioning for hockey.


Ill go for a 30-40min on the tread and adjust the pace accordingly. If it feels too easy, ill ramp it up a full number for a few minutes. If that becomes too hard to sustain, ill adjust the pace. I dont track it each time, save for how I feel. Some days I am more spent than others, especially on how the lifting session went the night before etc.


Its just a great additive to have in your workouts
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Cardio is for working out your heart... that's why it's called cardio...

People just associate it with burning calories because of stupid calorie counters on boring cardio machines.
Cardio is also a form of burning calories which can be calculated based on a multitude of factors including age, body weight, lean body mass, and heart rate. Having a higher lean body mass and increasing your heart rate can cause you to burn a large amount of calories.

The calories your body uses for energy also depends on your heart rate. A higher heart rate will yield more muscle glycogen, a moderate heart rate will yield a more balanced fatty acid and muscle glycogen use for energy, especially in a fasted state.

In a fasted state your blood glucose levels will be lower and the body will be more predisposed to using fatty acids for energy along with glucose as opposed to just the high levels of blood glucose you may have after a meal.


The amount of terrible information on cardio out there is astounding.
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post 1625716563 12-16-2020, 11:12 AM
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lifting weights burn like what? 50 calories?

under 100 calories....lol
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Originally Posted By jakobi⏩
lifting weights burn like what? 50 calories?

under 100 calories....lol
If you keep rests between sets at 1 min and are doing exercises such as squats, deadlifts, pullups, you can burn about 1000 cals/hr. Things like bicep curls don't burn anything significant.
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post 1625717483 12-16-2020, 11:21 AM
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This is an interesting topic.

I always found the “one hour of jogging won’t burn a candy bar worth of calories” strange.

Truth is, that is BS. You can burn an entire meal off in an hour of walking, there are ZERO studies showing that exercise burns little calories.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that exercise burns A TON of calories, hence why you are famished after a workout and hence why working out on an empty stomach first thing in the morning ANECDOTALLY burns a ton of fat
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post 1625717663 12-16-2020, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
If you keep rests between sets at 1 min and are doing exercises such as squats, deadlifts, pullups, you can burn about 1000 cals/hr. Things like bicep curls don't burn anything significant.
if you squat for 30 mins straight, you're only burning like 250-300 calories

for powerlifters, its only like 30 secs of actual squatting in 30 mins with the amount the rest they're taking lol
post 1625718113 12-16-2020, 11:28 AM
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Cardio really doesn't burn enough calories to help lose weight
OP's thinking is the reason why so many people get winded just walking up a flight of stairs.

If your diet is in check, burning 300-500 calories is huge.
Add in the benefits of having healthy heart, lungs, blood pressure, sense of well being, etc. and cardio is great.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
OP's thinking is the reason why so many people get winded just walking up a flight of stairs.

If your diet is in check, burning 300-500 calories is huge.
Add in the benefits of having healthy heart, lungs, blood pressure, sense of well being, etc. and cardio is great.
Lifting provides those same benefits especially cognitive benefits
post 1625718483 12-16-2020, 11:31 AM
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the reason why some people aren't losing weight while doing cardio is because they still eat like a pig

losing weight, calories out >>> calories in
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Originally Posted By jakobi⏩
if you squat for 30 mins straight, you're only burning like 250-300 calories

for powerlifters, its only like 30 secs of actual squatting in 30 mins with the amount the rest they're taking lol
I find I get my HR quite high when squatting, but yeah an entire workout for me is 30 minutes which ends up about 250 cals for me. I guess that's only 500 cals/hr. I find pullups raise my HR the most.
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Originally Posted By jakobi⏩
if you squat for 30 mins straight, you're only burning like 250-300 calories

for powerlifters, its only like 30 secs of actual squatting in 30 mins with the amount the rest they're taking lol
That’s because the majority of the calories we burn happen after the workout as the body rushes to transport carbs to the muscles in order to prevent catabolism.
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Originally Posted By jakobi⏩
lifting weights burn like what? 50 calories?

under 100 calories....lol
nooooo not even close

leg days for me can burn up to 1500 calories not to mention the amount of glycogen depletion AKA carbs, my body can require 500-600g carb to need to be replenished from a tough workout, so even if i did not "burn" 2000 calories my body needs an additional 2000 calories to replenish the glycogen that was depleted. This is why this calories in/calories out nonsense is meaningless to people who actually want to build muscle/lose fat.

The one thing OP had right is more muscle = more fat burning because more muscle does indeed increase calorie expenditure and increase calorie demands on the body for replenishing and recovering. This is why lifting is more conducive to fat loss than cardio.
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post 1625718683 12-16-2020, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By jakobi⏩
the reason why some people aren't losing weight while doing cardio is because they still eat like a pig

losing weight, calories out >>> calories in
So skip the cardio and just eat less then...

Cardio is literally just filling or wasting time.
post 1625718793 12-16-2020, 11:34 AM
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Bull**** last time I was lean enough to have abs was when I was in navy school having to run every morning at 5 AM, depends on your genetics though I guess I’ve never been small
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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
This. I just use it for extra cals(i dont listen to the machine nor do I eat them back) and mainly heart health/conditioning for hockey.


Ill go for a 30-40min on the tread and adjust the pace accordingly. If it feels too easy, ill ramp it up a full number for a few minutes. If that becomes too hard to sustain, ill adjust the pace. I dont track it each time, save for how I feel. Some days I am more spent than others, especially on how the lifting session went the night before etc.


Its just a great additive to have in your workouts
That's pretty much exactly what I do too. Just use mix it in there depending how I feel. Don't track anything except for maybe mile times now and then since I still gotta pass a physical test every 6 months at work.
Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Cardio is also a form of burning calories which can be calculated based on a multitude of factors including age, body weight, lean body mass, and heart rate. Having a higher lean body mass and increasing your heart rate can cause you to burn a large amount of calories.

The calories your body uses for energy also depends on your heart rate. A higher heart rate will yield more muscle glycogen, a moderate heart rate will yield a more balanced fatty acid and muscle glycogen use for energy, especially in a fasted state.

In a fasted state your blood glucose levels will be lower and the body will be more predisposed to using fatty acids for energy along with glucose as opposed to just the high levels of blood glucose you may have after a meal.


The amount of terrible information on cardio out there is astounding.
Of course cardio burns calories, just like literally everything else in the gym. Nothing you said applies specifically to cardio and doesn't apply to any of the other types of workouts you'd do in the gym.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
nooooo not even close

leg days for me can burn up to 1500 calories not to mention the amount of glycogen depletion AKA carbs, my body can require 500-600g carb to need to be replenished from a tough workout, so even if i did not "burn" 2000 calories my body needs an additional 2000 calories to replenish the glycogen that was depleted. This is why this calories in/calories out nonsense is meaningless to people who actually want to build muscle/lose fat.

The one thing OP had right is more muscle = more fat burning because more muscle does indeed increase calorie expenditure and increase calorie demands on the body for replenishing and recovering. This is why lifting is more conducive to fat loss than cardio.
Exactly. At my body weight I usually get an after burn effect that has me burning upwards of 2k calories. That’s why I go straight to Pizza Hut everyday to order 50 honey boneless BBQ wings, 1 chocolate chip cookie pie, and 1 tray of chocolate chip brownies. Sometimes if I get enough protein earlier in the day I’ll substitute the wings for a large pizza. I find this gives me sufficient protein and carbs to create super compensation of glycogen storage which would give my muscles an enhanced look, make them pop more. If I did cardio afterwards I wouldn’t get this effect and I’d just end up losing muscle
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
nooooo not even close

leg days for me can burn up to 1500 calories not to mention the amount of glycogen depletion AKA carbs, my body can require 500-600g carb to need to be replenished from a tough workout, so even if i did not "burn" 2000 calories my body needs an additional 2000 calories to replenish the glycogen that was depleted. This is why this calories in/calories out nonsense is meaningless to people who actually want to build muscle/lose fat.

The one thing OP had right is more muscle = more fat burning because more muscle does indeed increase calorie expenditure and increase calorie demands on the body for replenishing and recovering. This is why lifting is more conducive to fat loss than cardio.
Extremely doubtful.
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Guys look at most lean, shredded dudes. They don’t do much cardio. Maybe a brisk walk but that’s it. Doing a lot of cardio (more than 1hr) will result in the skinny fat runner look
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
Extremely doubtful.
Uhh tf? Yes it’s true. I myself burn about 2k calories at my body weight based on my mathematical calculations and research into the kinesiology
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Dafuq kind of cardio are you doing? I'm not a fast runner, but I do an hour and burn at least 600.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Dafuq kind of cardio are you doing? I'm not a fast runner, but I do an hour and burn at least 600.
Doubt it. And if you really do burn that much a large portion of those calories would interfere with muscle retention/protein synthesis which equates to weight and muscle loss which results in skinny fat
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
Extremely doubtful.
bruh im 6 1 275lbs lean and a very advanced lifter using advanced techniques for most of my lifts, cluster sets, rest pause, strip sets, etc.. and my leg days last 1.5-2hrs and my HR is very elevated the whole time. Trust me I burn plenty of calories when I lift.
Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Of course cardio burns calories, just like literally everything else in the gym. Nothing you said applies specifically to cardio and doesn't apply to any of the other types of workouts you'd do in the gym.
I am not denying that, but theres good reasons to do both. You can only lift so much before it becomes counterproductive and interferes with recovery and s just causing excessive muscle damage.
Cardio, especially HIIT cardio, has been shown to dramatically increase insulin sensitivity which increases fat loss and muscle gain.
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If you're actually training then it's not pointless at all for compositional purposes.
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I forgot to mention I have a masters in kinesiology from itt tech.
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Originally Posted By GeneralSerpant⏩
If you're actually training then it's not pointless at all for compositional purposes.
It will have no bearing on propensity to stay lean. Your just burning sugar off.
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Originally Posted By JustCallMeJonny⏩
Uhh tf? Yes it’s true. I myself burn about 2k calories at my body weight based on my mathematical calculations and research into the kinesiology
Don't you have a pizza slice to choke on?
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
Don't you have a pizza slice to choke on?
You have yet to make one logical argument which would dispute my point.
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Originally Posted By JustCallMeJonny⏩
It will have no bearing on propensity to stay lean. Your just burning sugar off.
It will influence your caloric needs and raise your appetite. You can dial down your calories from there just as if you are cutting after a bulking season.
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