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Lately i 've been thinking that human beings dont really have a choice about anything
12-28-2020, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
It's bullchit. What does it even mean for something to be nonphysical?have you ever studied consciousness? if you think the world is deterministic i urge you to.
i think you're trying to think too logically. logic is a man made construct. it doesn't mean that the universe abides by logic. we may be able to frame the universe in a way that makes sense, but that doesn't mean that's all there is
nikola tesla invented tons of stuff with electricity but didn't believe in the existence of the "electron" - a fundamental aspect of the universe that creates electricity
you could also never know how much you don't know. tesla prob thought he know a bunch of chit but little did he know there's an even smaller world than the elementary particles we originally knew
how about answering whether the universe is finite or infinite and whether we can replicate consciousness or the "hard problem of consciousness"?
get away from the quantifying and look into the "qualia" -
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/
i think you're trying to think too logically. logic is a man made construct. it doesn't mean that the universe abides by logic. we may be able to frame the universe in a way that makes sense, but that doesn't mean that's all there is
nikola tesla invented tons of stuff with electricity but didn't believe in the existence of the "electron" - a fundamental aspect of the universe that creates electricity
you could also never know how much you don't know. tesla prob thought he know a bunch of chit but little did he know there's an even smaller world than the elementary particles we originally knew
how about answering whether the universe is finite or infinite and whether we can replicate consciousness or the "hard problem of consciousness"?
get away from the quantifying and look into the "qualia" -
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/
12-28-2020, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted By rgnx⏩
I have a similar story but OP isn't wrong. In fact work on your reading comprehension.I only read the OP, but you are WRONG.
I went from homeless to making multiple 6 figures within 3 years
It took a little capital, some planning, lots of time just working.
Now, if you were to ask me if anyone else could do what i did. I would say MOST could. BUT most don't.
I believed in myself and achieved what NOBODY else thought i could, srs. Sometimes that's all it takes to take control of your own life and future.
I went from homeless to making multiple 6 figures within 3 years
It took a little capital, some planning, lots of time just working.
Now, if you were to ask me if anyone else could do what i did. I would say MOST could. BUT most don't.
I believed in myself and achieved what NOBODY else thought i could, srs. Sometimes that's all it takes to take control of your own life and future.
This isn't to say your story doesn't happen and that we should all sit back because everything's predestined anyway. It means that your genetics, upbringing, intelligence, problem solving skills, that which was bestowed upon you through birth, how you were raised, who you grew up with, how you spent your time (which are all connected), led you to succeed on that journey.
Take someone like you who lost all they had but grew up with no friends, no family, abusive mother, father who left him and the way you perceive challenges might be different.
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12-28-2020, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
All right, i did a bit of reading on the Laplace's demon. Very interesting. Still find it hard to believe that a omnisicient being with infinite IQ wouldnt be able to predict the outcome of everything, even after considering the effect of entropy on the universe, but maybe ill change my mindThat's Laplace's Demon. It's not true. Even if we exclude quantum mechanics, it's not true. That being said, our universe is still to an excellent approximation deterministic. Barring contrived situations, it is going to be effectively deterministic.
So basically pre-determinism vs determinism. You cant change what will happen but you cant predict it either.
Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
No i havent, but eventually ill stumble upon that i guess.have you ever studied consciousness? if you think the world is deterministic i urge you to.
i think you're trying to think too logically. logic is a man made construct. it doesn't mean that the universe abides by logic. we may be able to frame the universe in a way that makes sense, but that doesn't mean that's all there is
nikola tesla invented tons of stuff with electricity but didn't believe in the existence of the "electron" - a fundamental aspect of the universe that creates electricity
you could also never know how much you don't know. tesla prob thought he know a bunch of chit but little did he know there's an even smaller world than the elementary particles we originally knew
how about answering whether the universe is finite or infinite and whether we can replicate consciousness or the "hard problem of consciousness"?
get away from the quantifying and look into the "qualia" -
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/
i think you're trying to think too logically. logic is a man made construct. it doesn't mean that the universe abides by logic. we may be able to frame the universe in a way that makes sense, but that doesn't mean that's all there is
nikola tesla invented tons of stuff with electricity but didn't believe in the existence of the "electron" - a fundamental aspect of the universe that creates electricity
you could also never know how much you don't know. tesla prob thought he know a bunch of chit but little did he know there's an even smaller world than the elementary particles we originally knew
how about answering whether the universe is finite or infinite and whether we can replicate consciousness or the "hard problem of consciousness"?
get away from the quantifying and look into the "qualia" -
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/
Not gonna lie i understood only half of the **** you posted
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12-28-2020, 09:59 PM
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My alt Anachron pretty much summarized my thoughts on the first reply OP. Obviously we're not the first to have this debate. It's been raging for thousands of years, but I've given it a ton of thought and I'm firmly on the opposite side of the argument.
I have a poster on the door to my classroom that I think summarizes things perfectly:
We may not have any control of the circumstances we are dealt, but we have control over how we respond.
I recently read a book called Maus and it had me thinking about this topic. It was written by the son of Holocaust survivors who told him their story. The family detailed in the book was followed from the late 1930's in Poland all the way through World War II. The author's dad was initially drafted into the Polish army to fight Germans, then the family was sent to ghettos. They would hide from Germans and anti-Jewish Poles in frozen barns, wells, and underground bunkers. The man and his wife lost a son, their parents, siblings, and cousins during the war. Eventually, the man and his wife ended up in Auschwitz.
The thing that struck me was that the man, despite the fact that he was enslaved with a bunch of other skeletons with Typhus in a death camp, was still going about his life trying to improve his situation. He found ways to secretly send letters and food to his wife (even occasionally seeing her/speaking a few words to her). He found a way to keep himself alive and even make a little money on the side fixing shoes/boots for prisoners and Nazis.
So even under the most horrendous and genocidal of conditions, he didn't respond by giving up because of circumstances beyond his control. Could he have chosen to lay down and rot? Of course. Would anyone have blamed him? Of course not. But he and his wife did survive. They were both worse for the wear, sadly, but they made choices that kept them alive and they got to continue their lives.
*I know Misc gonna Misc and someone is going to misinterpret this post somehow to mean that I'm a Holocaust denier or something. So just to pre-empt that, I thought I'd point out that is not the case.
I have a poster on the door to my classroom that I think summarizes things perfectly:
We may not have any control of the circumstances we are dealt, but we have control over how we respond.
I recently read a book called Maus and it had me thinking about this topic. It was written by the son of Holocaust survivors who told him their story. The family detailed in the book was followed from the late 1930's in Poland all the way through World War II. The author's dad was initially drafted into the Polish army to fight Germans, then the family was sent to ghettos. They would hide from Germans and anti-Jewish Poles in frozen barns, wells, and underground bunkers. The man and his wife lost a son, their parents, siblings, and cousins during the war. Eventually, the man and his wife ended up in Auschwitz.
The thing that struck me was that the man, despite the fact that he was enslaved with a bunch of other skeletons with Typhus in a death camp, was still going about his life trying to improve his situation. He found ways to secretly send letters and food to his wife (even occasionally seeing her/speaking a few words to her). He found a way to keep himself alive and even make a little money on the side fixing shoes/boots for prisoners and Nazis.
So even under the most horrendous and genocidal of conditions, he didn't respond by giving up because of circumstances beyond his control. Could he have chosen to lay down and rot? Of course. Would anyone have blamed him? Of course not. But he and his wife did survive. They were both worse for the wear, sadly, but they made choices that kept them alive and they got to continue their lives.
*I know Misc gonna Misc and someone is going to misinterpret this post somehow to mean that I'm a Holocaust denier or something. So just to pre-empt that, I thought I'd point out that is not the case.
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12-28-2020, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
If you ever really sat back late at night and wonder why anything exists at all, and just go deeper with that thought, you'd realize eventually that predestination is absolutely real. But at the same time it's also a mix of both free will and destiny at the same time. Life is a paradox.No i havent, but eventually ill stumble upon that i guess.
Not gonna lie i understood only half of the **** you posted
Not gonna lie i understood only half of the **** you posted
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12-28-2020, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
i knew someone that spends their time trying to quantify chit would have a hard time with qualiaIt's bullchit. What does it even mean for somethong to be nonphysical?
no, it's not. i posted an article in here that also explained it. go look a few pages back. it's a long read. within that article they tried to use electronics/ microchips to replicate consciousness and had to admit they still didn't have a fundamental grasp of consciousness
you're denying you have an ability to experience what something is "like"?
im guessing similarly you didn't read the stanford website, as it poses many questions and talks about many things
12-28-2020, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Basically, even in an entirely deterministic scenario, a clever argument can be used to show that there are some things that couldn't be predicted beforehand. There is also an intimate connection between the halting problem and Laplace's Demon.All right, i did a bit of reading on the Laplace's demon. Very interesting. Still find it hard to believe that a omnisicient being with infinite IQ wouldnt be able to predict the outcome of everything, even after considering the effect of entropy on the universe, but maybe ill change my mind
So basically pre-determinism vs determinism. You cant change what will happen but you cant predict it either.
No i havent, but eventually ill stumble upon that i guess.
Not gonna lie i understood only half of the **** you posted
So basically pre-determinism vs determinism. You cant change what will happen but you cant predict it either.
No i havent, but eventually ill stumble upon that i guess.
Not gonna lie i understood only half of the **** you posted
I say we live in an effectively deterministic world because while it is usually deterministic, there exist pathological examples where randomness matters. Schrodinger's cat is an example of this.
12-28-2020, 10:03 PM
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Just wanted to come into this thread to say that I disagree with just about everything you’ve written OP.
12-28-2020, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
All the classifications used in qualia exist as real physically encoded information in your brain. They manifest real neural associations made. They aren't "unphysical". The philosophers who came up with this bullchit don't want to admit that even ideas exist as physical things in the form of neural encodings.i knew someone that spends their time trying to quantify chit would have a hard time with qualia
no, it's not. i posted an article in here that also explained it. go look a few pages back. it's a long read. within that article they tried to use electronics/ microchips to replicate consciousness and had to admit they still didn't have a fundamental grasp of consciousness
you're denying you have an ability to experience what something is "like"?
im guessing similarly you didn't read the stanford website, as it poses many questions and talks about many things
no, it's not. i posted an article in here that also explained it. go look a few pages back. it's a long read. within that article they tried to use electronics/ microchips to replicate consciousness and had to admit they still didn't have a fundamental grasp of consciousness
you're denying you have an ability to experience what something is "like"?
im guessing similarly you didn't read the stanford website, as it poses many questions and talks about many things
Everything is in fact quantifiable, and I challenge you to find me something that isn't. The very notion of a thing itself is immediately quantifiable as an identification of a signal. Humans perceive, analyze, and associate. We can count the associations and consider these to be things in themselves and build the illusion of intelligence, all while acting in a genetically predefined way.
And ofc the subjectivity of it doesn't change the physical reality. Your perception of the idea of the number 2 is different from mine. They are, however, sufficiently similar that we may have a dialogue.
12-28-2020, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
What determinism believes however, is that if that man had to live his life exactly the same to every single detail a thousand times, he would make the same exact choice of "fighting" a thousand times. The same outcome everytime.My alt Anachron pretty much summarized my thoughts on the first reply OP. Obviously we're not the first to have this debate. It's been raging for thousands of years, but I've given it a ton of thought and I'm firmly on the opposite side of the argument.
I have a poster on the door to my classroom that I think summarizes things perfectly:
We may not have any control of the circumstances we are dealt, but we have control over how we respond.
I recently read a book called Maus and it had me thinking about this topic. It was written by the son of Holocaust survivors who told him their story. The family detailed in the book was followed from the late 1930's in Poland all the way through World War II. The author's dad was initially drafted into the Polish army to fight Germans, then the family was sent to ghettos. They would hide from Germans and anti-Jewish Poles in frozen barns, wells, and underground bunkers. The man and his wife lost a son, their parents, siblings, and cousins during the war. Eventually, the man and his wife ended up in Auschwitz.
The thing that struck me was that the man, despite the fact that he was enslaved with a bunch of other skeletons with Typhus in a death camp, was still going about his life trying to improve his situation. He found ways to secretly send letters and food to his wife (even occasionally seeing her/speaking a few words to her). He found a way to keep himself alive and even make a little money on the side fixing shoes/boots for prisoners and Nazis.
So even under the most horrendous and genocidal of conditions, he didn't respond by giving up because of circumstances beyond his control. Could he have chosen to lay down and rot? Of course. Would anyone have blamed him? Of course not. But he and his wife did survive. They were both worse for the wear, sadly, but they made choices that kept them alive and they got to continue their lives.
*I know Misc gonna Misc and someone is going to misinterpret this post somehow to mean that I'm a Holocaust denier or something. So just to pre-empt that, I thought I'd point out that is not the case.
I have a poster on the door to my classroom that I think summarizes things perfectly:
We may not have any control of the circumstances we are dealt, but we have control over how we respond.
I recently read a book called Maus and it had me thinking about this topic. It was written by the son of Holocaust survivors who told him their story. The family detailed in the book was followed from the late 1930's in Poland all the way through World War II. The author's dad was initially drafted into the Polish army to fight Germans, then the family was sent to ghettos. They would hide from Germans and anti-Jewish Poles in frozen barns, wells, and underground bunkers. The man and his wife lost a son, their parents, siblings, and cousins during the war. Eventually, the man and his wife ended up in Auschwitz.
The thing that struck me was that the man, despite the fact that he was enslaved with a bunch of other skeletons with Typhus in a death camp, was still going about his life trying to improve his situation. He found ways to secretly send letters and food to his wife (even occasionally seeing her/speaking a few words to her). He found a way to keep himself alive and even make a little money on the side fixing shoes/boots for prisoners and Nazis.
So even under the most horrendous and genocidal of conditions, he didn't respond by giving up because of circumstances beyond his control. Could he have chosen to lay down and rot? Of course. Would anyone have blamed him? Of course not. But he and his wife did survive. They were both worse for the wear, sadly, but they made choices that kept them alive and they got to continue their lives.
*I know Misc gonna Misc and someone is going to misinterpret this post somehow to mean that I'm a Holocaust denier or something. So just to pre-empt that, I thought I'd point out that is not the case.
So did he really make that choice? Or it was made since the day he was born, or even before?
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
https://www.newscientist.com/article...not-be-random/Basically, even in an entirely deterministic scenario, a clever argument can be used to show that there are some things that couldn't be predicted beforehand. There is also an intimate connection between the halting problem and Laplace's Demon.
I say we live in an effectively deterministic world because while it is usually deterministic, there exist pathological examples where randomness matters. Schrodinger's cat is an example of this.
I say we live in an effectively deterministic world because while it is usually deterministic, there exist pathological examples where randomness matters. Schrodinger's cat is an example of this.
Found an interesting article regarding randomness to a quantum level but **** asks for payment in order to read the whole thing lol. Is anything truly random? Most scientists say yes, but some of them are drifting to the opposite side of it.
"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
12-28-2020, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Tomohokk⏩
But.. this is literally me. No family and not a single friend, and family only started "caring" about me after I started making 6 figures.Take someone like you who lost all they had but grew up with no friends, no family, abusive mother, father who left him and the way you perceive challenges might be different.
Before that, they literally called the cops on me to put me on the street to live in my car.
I was a 28 year old living at home, unemployed for years, no friends. Yeah, I'm still kinda surprised I made it.
The only thing special about me is I took a chance that most others would not. Period.
That was a choice I made, and it's your choices that define you life, more than "destiny or fate", sorry.
12-28-2020, 10:12 PM
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Yeah Sam Harris, a neuroscientist, has a book out about how free will is an illusion.
Also I've read about things like soul groups where before you reincarnate in this world you pick the circumstances that will likely happen to you...for example people choose to become disabled or know that there is a high chance they will get into an accident that will leave them disabled all to learn life lessons. I don't know why anyone would choose to be disabled but then again it seems pretty plausible to me...who knows
Also I've read about things like soul groups where before you reincarnate in this world you pick the circumstances that will likely happen to you...for example people choose to become disabled or know that there is a high chance they will get into an accident that will leave them disabled all to learn life lessons. I don't know why anyone would choose to be disabled but then again it seems pretty plausible to me...who knows
Das not it mayne.
12-28-2020, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Those people who say it isn't are likely wrong. There is a deterministic interpretation of QM, but it has never really been reconciled with relativity to form a QFT.What determinism believes however, is that if that man had to live his life exactly the same to every single detail a thousand times, he would make the same exact choice of "fighting" a thousand times. The same outcome everytime.
So did he really make that choice? Or it was made since the day he was born, or even before?
https://www.newscientist.com/article...not-be-random/
Found an interesting article regarding randomness to a quantum level but **** asks for payment in order to read the whole thing lol. Is anything truly random? Most scientists say yes, but some of them are drifting to the opposite side of it.
So did he really make that choice? Or it was made since the day he was born, or even before?
https://www.newscientist.com/article...not-be-random/
Found an interesting article regarding randomness to a quantum level but **** asks for payment in order to read the whole thing lol. Is anything truly random? Most scientists say yes, but some of them are drifting to the opposite side of it.
The vast majority of what you read about science from pop physics news sites is total bullchit.
12-28-2020, 10:20 PM
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Only losers from poor families care about things like racism being false or religion being false.
Of course they are, except people only spend lots of energy on this to prop up grifters trying to destabilize civilization.
Of course they are, except people only spend lots of energy on this to prop up grifters trying to destabilize civilization.
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Originally Posted By rgnx⏩
It triggered something inside of you that was destined to be awakened when you reached that breaking point. For me, it was all the decisions that led to me being in a rock bottom situation that awakened something deep inside me.But.. this is literally me. No family and not a single friend, and family only started "caring" about me after I started making 6 figures.
Before that, they literally called the cops on me to put me on the street to live in my car.
I was a 28 year old living at home, unemployed for years, no friends. Yeah, I'm still kinda surprised I made it.
The only thing special about me is I took a chance that most others would not. Period.
That was a choice I made, and it's your choices that define you life, more than "destiny or fate", sorry.
Before that, they literally called the cops on me to put me on the street to live in my car.
I was a 28 year old living at home, unemployed for years, no friends. Yeah, I'm still kinda surprised I made it.
The only thing special about me is I took a chance that most others would not. Period.
That was a choice I made, and it's your choices that define you life, more than "destiny or fate", sorry.
I was the same way too bro. Henry David Thoreau states: "What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you become by achieving your goals."
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12-28-2020, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
I legit havent understood any of the posts you have made ITT, nor found any relevance to the topic lolOnly losers from poor families care about things like racism being false or religion being false.
Of course they are, except people only spend lots of energy on this to prop up grifters trying to destabilize society.
Of course they are, except people only spend lots of energy on this to prop up grifters trying to destabilize society.
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12-28-2020, 10:21 PM
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It’s almost 2021 and people are still arguing about whether we have free will or not? I love how “academic” and “intellectual” some of the posts are ITT.
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Originally Posted By aleeboy⏩
Where do you stand on this argument? And please reply with something serious instead of just something about manlets or lowiqcels. As ive told you before sometimes you make some pretty decent well thought of posts, under all the trolling you do you can find some gems every now and then, so i do believe you could give a very interesting insight on this topic.It’s almost 2021 and people are still arguing about whether we have free will or not? I love how “academic” and “intellectual” some of the posts are ITT.
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"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
12-28-2020, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
dude come on. im getting access denied error after i posted something. luckily i copied it though. let me see if i can split it into two different postsAll the classifications used in qualia exist as real physically encoded information in your brain. They manifest real neural associations made. They aren't "unphysical". The philosophers who came up with this bullchit don't want to admit that even ideas exist as physical things in the form of neural encodings.
Everything is in fact quantifiable, and I challenge you to find me something that isn't. The very notion of a thing itself is immediately quantifiable as an identification of a signal. Humans perceive, analyze, and associate. We can count the associations and consider these to be things in themselves and build the illusion of intelligence, all while acting in a genetically predefined way.
And ofc the subjectivity of it doesn't change the physical reality. Your perception of the idea of the number 2 is different from mine. They are, however, sufficiently similar that we may have a dialogue.
Everything is in fact quantifiable, and I challenge you to find me something that isn't. The very notion of a thing itself is immediately quantifiable as an identification of a signal. Humans perceive, analyze, and associate. We can count the associations and consider these to be things in themselves and build the illusion of intelligence, all while acting in a genetically predefined way.
And ofc the subjectivity of it doesn't change the physical reality. Your perception of the idea of the number 2 is different from mine. They are, however, sufficiently similar that we may have a dialogue.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
i've provided like over 5,000 words of material that isn't. it's not my fault you're close minded so as to not look into it. and if you haven't gleaned anything from that, it's definitely a problem of yours. where you think your math extends toward avenues it doesn'tEverything is in fact quantifiable, and I challenge you to find me something that isn't.
i do believe lots of things are quantifiable, as you've stated. "material" or "physical" for something to be there there must be something
what i think is happening is you're not going beyond the quantification, but instead choosing the comfiness of the quantifiable
12-28-2020, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
I’ve given my “ok” to a single post ITT.Where do you stand on this argument? And please reply with something serious instead of just something about manlets or lowiqcels. As ive told you before sometimes you make some pretty decent well thought of posts, under all the trolling you do you can find some gems every now and then, so i do believe you could give a very interesting insight on this topic.
Anything after is an excuse to ride this off and ignore the initial “ok”.
I suggest re reading the post and exploring it more. Don’t fall into the mistake of thinking humans are individuals. Almost all (95%) are made from the same design. The remaining differ and are driven by different energies.
It’s almost 2021 and people would still be surprised that not all humans are the same.
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12-28-2020, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
I used to think about this stuff a lot and stopped abruptly when I ran out of money from some people winding me up to not pay me on time.I legit havent understood any of the posts you have made ITT, nor found any relevance to the topic lol
I'm not articulating well how essential I find some concrete stuff.
12-28-2020, 10:27 PM
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The most important question is: Does it matter? If it is as I say and the choice is an illusion, but still feels meaningful to you, does it matter? It's kind of obvious we are all slaves to the physics of the universe. We exist as physical entities. That doesn't mean we don't have an apparent identity and sense of self and choice (even if it is an illusion and an emergent behavior of the underlying physics). Ultimately, it wouldn't matter either way. We live as if we make choices whether we really do or don't.
12-28-2020, 10:27 PM
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I disagree, Ken.
I think that your upbringing and environment plays a part in what you become, but to allow it to define you is to remove yourself from personal responsibility.
At a certain point you have to recognize that you're responsible for your own decisions.
I think that your upbringing and environment plays a part in what you become, but to allow it to define you is to remove yourself from personal responsibility.
At a certain point you have to recognize that you're responsible for your own decisions.
12-28-2020, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Tomohokk⏩
I don't believe in destiny and all that personally but I feel like we have similar pasts. Are you happy now? How long have you been "successful"?It triggered something inside of you that was destined to be awakened when you reached that breaking point. For me, it was all the decisions that led to me being in a rock bottom situation that awakened something deep inside me.
I was the same way too bro. Henry David Thoreau states: "What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you become by achieving your goals."
I was the same way too bro. Henry David Thoreau states: "What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you become by achieving your goals."
Now that I am successful and run my own business everyone is so nice to me including family. My heart is still ice cold from being trash/treated like trash for 28 years though.
I feel that quote heavy bro
12-28-2020, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted By aleeboy⏩
fairly positive it's humans are 99% identical. still a lot more to that thoughI’ve given my “ok” to a single post ITT.
Anything after is an excuse to ride this off and ignore the initial “ok”.
I suggest re reading the post and exploring it more. Don’t fall into the mistake of thinking humans are individuals. Almost all (95%) are made from the same design. The remaining differ and are driven by different energies.
It’s almost 2021 and people would still be surprised that not all humans are the same.
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Anything after is an excuse to ride this off and ignore the initial “ok”.
I suggest re reading the post and exploring it more. Don’t fall into the mistake of thinking humans are individuals. Almost all (95%) are made from the same design. The remaining differ and are driven by different energies.
It’s almost 2021 and people would still be surprised that not all humans are the same.
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12-28-2020, 10:31 PM
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chit's so annoying it's def. the more important part of my post that won't
12-28-2020, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
It’s 95% are made from the same design platform. The remaining 5% are different. How different mirrors closely with the intelligence distribution at the top end. If you are smart enough, you can understand this.fairly positive it's humans are 99% identical. still a lot more to that though
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12-28-2020, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted By aleeboy⏩
It's over 99 dipchit.It’s 95% are made from the same design platform. The remaining 5% are different. How different mirrors closely with the intelligence distribution at the top end. If you are smart enough, you can understand this.
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12-28-2020, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
You are a 95%’erIt's over 99 dipchit.
You aren’t of the different design. I can tell with high certainty.
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"The manlet is a savage beast that knows no moral bound. After falling in disgrace to a manmore, a ravaged manlet would not hesitate to come from behind and land a sucker punch/ swing with a rock to the back of a manmore's head. They are ruthless and you need to spend some more time in the gutter to even begin trying to comprehend what goes on in their minds."
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
It matters because I think an existentialist is going to be a lot less bitter and miserable than a nihilist or “determinist.”The most important question is: Does it matter? If it is as I say and the choice is an illusion, but still feels meaningful to you, does it matter? It's kind of obvious we are all slaves to the physics of the universe. We exist as physical entities. That doesn't mean we don't have an apparent identity and sense of self and choice (even if it is an illusion and an emergent behavior of the underlying physics). Ultimately, it wouldn't matter either way. We live as if we make choices whether we really do or don't.
Ken-O would be an exception to this rule as he does not come across as bitter and miserable.
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