As always, I think the right answer in all of this is somewhere in the middle. I do agree with the misc that there's way too many people majoring in stupid ****, taking on unintelligent debt, and then crying about how "the system is rigged" when they made some really poor choices. That said, I also don't think the misc always realizes that it's not easy to make "smart" decisions when quite literally everyone around you who you trust (i.e. parents, family friends, teachers, etc.) are giving you outdated advice based on their own experiences.

In our parents' times, I think it's absolutely true that if you got pretty much any degree from a university, you were almost guaranteed a middle class life at minimum. That's not true anymore, but the fact that these myths still prevail is where we're really setting people up for failure and why they think the "system is rigged". I'm very lucky I was born to immigrant parents who understood and instilled in me the values of hard work, education, and studying a select few fields to specialize in that pretty much guarantee a solid lifestyle still, despite being harder. I can't help but think, however, that I wouldn't be singing the same tune if I were born to deadbeat parents who either gave me no guidance or taught me to spend my entire childhood dicking around without setting myself up for the future.

I mean yes..... idk what that has to do with this subject

It's not a mentally capacity issue, it's an issue with young people in general. Social media has made it so we are able to see "grass is greener" nearly every 5 sec compared to our parents generation. That has had an issue on our young people view their stance in life and potential. Ignorance is bliss

Propaganda to get people to accept socialism/communism.

If by mental capacity you mean that they aren't fully developed yet as people then yes I agree with you. If you are trying to say they are mentally handicapped then no, what you're saying makes close to zero sense

Just lol if no one ever tought you it's not what you know, it's who you know.

Jeeez. Hou could you or your parents not convince her to do this chit? Holee molee. OFC no one is going to pay for that chit. It's worthless.HilariousWith those tattoos, most likely yes.Broke college students have the newest iPhone always. I never understood this. I always told my kids, "you're a college student, you don't need an iPhone, you need a cheap prepaid midrange android phone" They never understood this, and now they're crying cause life is "too hard." fking LOLHarsh but true.

Its not only about working hard or "doing the right thing/what I been told", its apart of the equation but its not the whole thing. Working smart is just as important and so is managing expectations. I grew up Poor(ish), I can see what the poor mentality can do to you. Its low effort, high expectation, and when they fall short they get all worked up about it and use it as an excuse on how the system is rigged. From 14 to 25 I worked some pretty awful jobs, subway, warehouses, boat yards. Each job taught me different skills and lessons, and each opened up different doors for me.


It was working at the boat yard that got me my engineering job that I am currently at, I did good work for my boss and when he moved to a different field he took me along with him. Why does he like me? Because I do what he asks me to and I dont complain about it, nothing is beneath me and I will do what it takes to get it done. I show up to work with a smile and dont complain, I try to be as enjoyable as possible to be around. Most people I interview at the entry level are completely backwards in their expectation (especially gen z/millennials). They think that they are going to be leading a team and spending millions of dollars in an entry level position. When in reality, they will be analyzing some data, supporting senior engineers, and dealing with day to day stuff. You need to put your dues in and the average 18-30 y/o doesnt want to do that. You can legit see the starlight in their eyes disappear when you tell them that they arent going to be a boss and that they are going to need to shovel **** for the first year at a pleb rate.

Nursing is a big profession, what you just said is kind of like saying "business is a 2 year degree from community college" uhhh yeah sure you can get an associates in something in 2 years but being an LPN is WILDLY different than earning a Bachelors of Science in Nursing

I'm surprised she can't get funds to finish Nursing school, but not familiar with how that works. It's never come up as an issue for the nursing students I've talked to.

In the past I used to think "tough chit, should've been more financially responsible" but now I realize just how overpriced education is, and how much burden it puts on those in the lower/middle class to pay it back. Something needs to be done about tuition in this country.

But.....never put it past randoms on the internet to post a sob story for money. Just sayin.

Holy fuk this pisses me off so much. Still can't believe it's the norm now to finance a phone whilst already living paycheck to paycheck.

brb can't afford to insure my car but at least I have a new phone.

I feel for anyone in that position, but a combination of not understanding basic economics and making bad decisions is largely driving this. Obviously, coming from a wealthy background offers more advantages than not, but it doesn't explain everything. Things like legislating a $15 minimum wage, pushing private unionization or stronger public sector unions, talking about forgiving college debt or making college free, and pushing massive subsides for various industries all have economic consequences that get hand waved away because people feel good about the policy, but in reality have made the labor market insular, inflexible, and put a premium on experience.

Obviously, the labor market isn't great right now, but as of 2019 and parts of 2020 there was 1.7 million gap between available jobs and workers looking for jobs. This trend is largely seen as increasing as the need for highly skilled labor increases and the workforce doesn't accommodate. Unfortunately people make a myriad of bad choices that impact job availability such as:

- People expect to be making bank immediately upon entering the workforce and ignore the idea of working up a given company or field. The same people who deride low wage jobs are also destroying the ability for anyone looking to get into the labor market when they have no work experience or are young and are purely looking to build their resume.

- People largely don't move to where the jobs are (this one is huge). Fresh college grads want to keep living in NYC, LA, SF, or any other big cities and are shocked that they can't make ends meet without a six figure job. The thing is, a lot of people want to living in those cities and they are making six figures effectively pricing new workers out of the market. People often stay in cities where the labor market is incredibly tight and complain about not being able to find a job. Meanwhile, the labor market and cost of living is much more favorable in other places throughout the country and Jobs are available, but a lot of people don't want to move to North Dakota or Nebraska. They'd rather stay in some of th most desirable places to live (by interest) and thus stay locked out of the market.

- People don't realize that college degrees are meaningless in and of themselves and rather it is the skill set that is aquired from said degree that gives them value. If everyone has a random liberal arts degree, then the value of having said degree is reduced because they are a dime a dozen. Pushing for things like free college will only make this worse for people choosing worthless degrees.

- People support teacher's unions and other public sector unions not realizing that it limits competition and mobility into a profession and makes the field one of seniority. For the lady in the comments section of that page who has a teaching degree but can't find a job, this is why.

- Pushing for a higher minimum wage or pushing for national mandates on maternity leave, sick pay, etc. only serves to price the low skilled/experienced people out of the labor market. If companies need to provide higher salaries and major benefits to everyone, then they will unsurprisingly narrow their field of candidates down to those who provide the best value in terms of experience and value to their company. This is where the 4+ years in industry experience for entry level jobs requirements comes in.

- People fight against flexible contractor work like Uber and Lyft while failing to realize that it allows millions to make ends meet, save up more money, or work while getting an education. People break into jobs and careers by starting as contractors that are cheap and don't have the same overhead costs but allow people to gain in industry experience, but people have pushed to force companies to provide costly benefits that close off these opportunities.

We are living in a time of limitless opportunity for selling services or gaining skills thanks to services like Etsy, Wyzant, Uber, AirBnB, Khan Academy, Udacity, Twitch and countless others. People also have more physical mobility than ever before and can easily move to new places where they can find work. Unfortunately, bad policies and disillusioned views have chocked off a lot of potential opportunity for swaths of the country.

She's right about one thing. The system DOES want her to be poor. The system does not = the United States though. It's been overrun with certain types of ((people))

If you listen she said "i have a bachelors degree but I'm still poor."

Exactly the point. To take out a big loan on a stupid degree that (they) peddle as triumphant in the media (commercials, tv, movies, etc), but the reality your degree holds no value and you still take money from ((their)) pockets, (credit cards, student loans, parents taking second mortgage.. the list goes on and on) accumulating huge interests while you try to figure out what you did wrong. These people have been sold the idea of bachelor's degree = success. Yeah, isn't that funny lmao


Yeah, the attack on the US is within. Look who runs the banks, the media. Look who's splitting the country on so many levels. Look at the heads of every leader under the new administration.

This is another one people my age do that I don't fking understand. Wtf is up with people and wanting to live in SF/LA/NYC so badly? If you were raised in SoCal or NYC and want to be there for family reasons, that's one thing. I work a 6 figure job with decent upward mobility (finance/accounting) and I still actively avoid those places because my QOL as a whole is so much worse there.

I get that places like Denver, Austin, Atlanta, etc. aren't dirt cheap anymore either, but $1800 in rent there gets you a large, luxury 1BDR in a solid neighborhood while $2300 gets me a 600 sq ft, old, shoebox w/ minimal amenities in Jersey City out in the NYC area. How many bars/clubs/restaurants do you need to go to every month to pay that insane premium to live there? Plus there's **** beyond nightlife and eating that these cities offer that NYC can't, namely nature, good weather, etc.

I think the difference here is, I know exactly what im talking about and you do not.

Wife is a nurse, friends have done the two year path and provide the same care my wife, an RN, does.

NJ you have to get your BSN in 10 years, so you can do your two year degree, make $85K+ and go back to school which is usually subsidized by the employer.

Again. No. A 2 year degree is an ADN. That 85k associates degree you are imagining does not exist.

$53,523 a year

As of Feb 3, 2021, the average annual pay for the ADN jobs category in New Jersey is $53,523 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $25.73 an hour