Think I'll let the panicels/libs be the lab rats

PA isn't exactly red

That said, Cali had some issues with low rates of nurses taking the vaccine

how are some of you guys getting the vaccine already...i thought the focus for now was on elderly and frontline workers?

not in a hurry to get it, just wondering

They can & will do it..how many “conspiracy” threads are there about how a certain religious group controls the US..? Now we have this coming out of Israel..

“The issue of how to "motivate" vaccine compliance has generated increasing interest, with commentators such as Mike Cernovich writing: "Government won’t force you to take vaccine. Amazon will. Airlines will. Banks will. You won’t be able to buy, sell, or trade without the vaccine."

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/N...ws.aspx/292039

Every corporate business & restaurant that I know of require you to wear a mask to enter their premise in every state I know of other than a select few..

They can force vaccination..under medical compliance.
My career began in nursing & I worked level 1 trauma, pediatrics, medical, surgical, burns, neuro, oncology, etc. then adult medicine. I went into hospital administration, & worked my way up to the COO position. We have always billed for hospital services using what is known as DRG CODES (Diagnostic Related Grouping) but during President Obama's terms we moved to a new system of billing, ICD CODES. These codes were developed by none other than the WHO (World Health Organization) & guarantee that your Medical information is shared with various factions at the UN. In 2014 as my teams began preparations for the new IC-10 CODES, I was in class & began snooping through the various codes for ICD-9. I want you to research ICD-9 E978. This code as defined by the Affordable Care Act (AKO Obamacare) allows the execution of citizens by beheading to be coded & billed through Medicare Services. Read the entire code & be shocked.

http://www.icd9data.com/2013/Volume1.../E978/E978.htm

I wonder what the biochemistry looks like. Is the protein being made by their cells with the mRNA directions similar or identical to a protein in their platelets? That should be a simple blood test to test if your platelets have that protein.

Lol, I think you missed the point bredda...


It’s not a case of subserviently eating chit, it’s a case that they’re gonna make it compulsory, if you want to travel internationally or gain employment.

I work offshore and it’s already complicated everything. Hitches that used to be 2-4 weeks on/off, are now 6-12 weeks and they just say ‘uh yeah sorry...it’s due to Covid/quarantine’

I don’t afraid of Covid, but I do afraid of losing contracts worth £10k a month because I’m not ‘compliant’

For sure, I’m just hoping we have enough resistance and fight over here in the US to not let that happen.

The unfortunate reality is that the Supreme Court rules back in the 20’s that forcible vaccination is legal.

There’s a black market for everything, so I’m sure if someone needed certain documents they might be able to attain said documents for a price.

They will try shape it legally so it's not technically compulsory but if you don't take it then you'll basically hang yourself because of no employment, restrictions to social venues and never being able to travel for the rest of your life.

Most of the population with something to lose won't fight back in fear of detriment.

The only solution is money. It will be your only shield with everything the world has to throw at you in the next 20-30 years. You're not going to win by voting, or objection anymore. Not when everything is so tightly controlled and when anything against an agenda is severely punished.

Make as much money as you can.

Exactly, you stupid fear mongering *******. Spreading chit like this is just like all the MSM clickbait intentionally misleading headlines. Negged. ded fkn srs

Nope, not an anti-vaxxer by any means. I generally am skeptical however when the media/govt/political elites/experts vigorously push something. Not that I think they necessarily have some sinister agenda to mass murder everybody. It’s kind of funny that despite the media/govt fear-mongering everybody to death, that Canada just pledged 64 million to fight vaccine misinformation lol, as if this doesn’t make things more suspect. They can’t outright force you to take the vaccine but will take you 99.99% to the point without actually crossing that line. But they’ll have the people, the private entities and citizens do that for them.

It’s also not like “experts”, the media haven’t been completely wrong throughout this pandemic and that govts completely had this control and knew wtf they were doing and “followed the science” as they claimed. For me personally in my line of work, basically the MO is to express skepticism by default and gather enough credible/rigorous evidence so I kind of bring that to many aspects of my life. Fauci has given some contradictory advice and suggestions which are just flat out ridiculous. CDC/WHO have also been contradictory all the way through, nvm govts contradicting their advice.

We understand the virus itself a lot more, we went from there is no evidence of h2h transmission to a few days later having a pandemic on our hands, that masks don’t work, to masks do work, to we need to wear 2 masks, from 2 more weeks to 2 more years, from keeping hospital numbers down, to curbing the spread, to eradicating the virus, from we shouldn’t be worried about mutations, to mutations are weak, to vaccines should still be effective, to media hyping the chit out of it and AZ being useless against it. This long list doesn’t end.

As you said as well we don’t know the long-term effects of the vaccine and it has been fast tracked. Although 25K people have been called in for trials for these vaccines, do we really know how this will translate in the general population, short term? Long term? What about variants? Some European countries have already recalled AZ because it was useless against the SA variant and that there are some suspicious deaths in Norway possibly linked to the vaccine.

But many simpletons will dismiss people having legitimate concerns/worries as anti-vaxxers, covid deniers, anti-maskers, anti-science and conspiracy theorists. Every name under the sun because you don’t agree with their media-brainwashed point of view. Convenient labels for those who do no critical thinking of their own and question nothing. And even worse they use verbal gymnastics to label you as “criminal” because you are killing grandma with your skepticism. My parents aren’t even political at all and watch CBC, CNN, MSNBC, Global, CTV and even they are on the fence about receiving a vaccine when the time comes.

I'm not an anti vaxxer. I believe vaccines should be available for those who want them.

My position is the government should not be allowed to force any medical procedure upon a person. This especially goes for a product that carries no liability for the company. If it does mess you up, you have no recourse but to go through a vaccine court which denies the majority of claims and I believe has a limit of 250k compensation. Not nearly enough to take care of someone who cannot work for the rest of their life.

I missed this part, is the govt forcing this on anyone?I missed this part, is the vaccine making people not able to work for the rest of their life?

This.
Not anti-Vaxx as well, just had the Shingles vax, but forced vaccine, including children is completely bullchit

1)Govt won’t, businesses will
2) for these people it didhttps://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/fi...ID-19&DIED=Yes

Yea, the government can mandate

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2774712

Oh, none of the covid 19 injections have any possible side effects that could disable someone? Okay. Still shouldn't be mandated by the government.

Still waiting to hear about what % of 43 million vaccinated people have been disabled to be of any remote concern
Still waiting to hear about government mandating vaccination

I'm in favor of informed consent. Are you saying there is no possibility that the covid 19 injections could injure someone? I'll defer to you since you are the scientist.

I keep hearing of Jacobson v Massachusetts ruling that could make them potentially mandated by the government. I'm speaking of the hypothetical chance they could be government mandated.

are you sure?
there was a bill passed decades ago that created a vaccine court in the USA, relieving all vaccine manufacturers of liability and passing it to US taxpayers, in a tax funded court with a maximum compensation for injuries/death of 250k. You can sue the government and they pay you out from tax revenue.

There's no absolutes in life... But risk/reward is pretty fukkin clear, and I have yet to see you provide anything saying there is anything to be concerned about. A poster above linked a page that cited 501 deaths, out of 43 million people vaccinated... That's a .001% chance. You know what has a greater chance of happening? Contracting COVID and then dying...So again, it hasn't happened... interdasting.

Yet we have had Covid around more than a year to see the effects...
How long to see effects of vaccine..?

Most of those claims get rejected And it takes about 15 years to get through the process. Nick Catone, MMA fighter speaks of this because his son's cause of death was stated to be from the DTAP vaccine, (coroner stated this as cause of death on death cert). Happened years ago and still no resolution through the vaccine court. And the cause of death must be given as being from the vaccine, otherwise forget it. Most coroners will not state this and it isn't even listed as a possible reason, it has to be written in the death certificate. Originally the cause of death for his kid was given as "natural causes" then they had the autopsy redone.

You should take the vaccine if you want the vaccine. Everyone should have a choice. It's good the government isn't forcing vaccines at this point. Bodily autonomy is a good thing, in my opinion.

Uncertainty is inherently painful to humans. As a species, it goes against what has been essential for our survival throughout our evolution. I think that's the main factor that's causing so much frustration and worry with this entire pandemic experience. I also have my doubts. The first thing that popped into my mind was the lack of longitudinal studies and accepting a vaccine that might create long-term side effects down the road. We can't know for sure. It's this not knowing that's so problematic. I'd like to believe that our governments wouldn't recommend we take something potentially dangerous. To me, that seems to go against what we want to strive for as a species.

Once again, can't know for sure. With whatever decision you think is the best one, you're gonna have to take that plunge regardless. You also hear covid creating a diverse range of symptoms in people. Some experience mild to no symptoms, some claim to have not been able to breathe and were extremely ill. Once again, not knowing.

it's basically the best of two crappy options:

#1 do you want to risk getting covid sometime in next 5 years. perhaps give it to family member. high risk of dying.

#2 or risk geting a vaccine. Risk of bad side effects are high - esp for those who had covid. Some deaths might occur.

I'l take #2 then #1. I want to visit my family friends, etc.

medalerts is run by an antivax group (NVIC) and VAERS is a passive system that allows anyone to submit a claim; it doesn't mean any of them are true adverse reactions.
this is why I don't trust nurses - you have such a **** understanding of medicine lmfao

See my post above, but this sums it up pretty well. Both situations have an overarching element of the unknown. At this point, no absolutes, but it's like picking the option you personally perceive as the least negative.

covid has a high risk of dying huh...

not unless the person is already near death, in which case you shouldn't blame yourself over it

Clearly you did not read my entire post, or simply have the inability to comprehend what you are reading.

I luv this for you

That's LITERALLY what is happening... so why the fear mongering?

Because restrictions are already happening, travel being the first of them