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post 1631899223 02-20-2021, 12:55 PM
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Ontario Lawyer brahs. How much power do the authorities have to enforce the mask rule

Just curious. Now that my gym is reopened we're all supposed to be wearing masks, my gym put up a poster saying we can be subject to an $880 fine from the ontario public health unit.

So theoretically say if I'm not wearing my mask, gym manager gets mad, calls the cops, I put mask on, cops show up, never see me not wearing a mask, they start questioning me

In a situation like this do I need to present ID if asked? I was under the impression you don't have to unless a cop cites a specific law you are breaking or has reasonable cause

Basically what are my rights in this situation?
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post 1631899333 02-20-2021, 12:56 PM
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Here I dont need to give medical proof that allows me not to wear a mask
post 1631899673 02-20-2021, 01:02 PM
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Just wear a mask manlet
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post 1631899883 02-20-2021, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Just wear a mask manlet
you talk big for a guy with low rep power
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post 1631900173 02-20-2021, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
you talk big for a guy with low rep power
Why are you so proud of your height? 6 foot? lmao, midget
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post 1631900233 02-20-2021, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Why are you so proud of your height? 6 foot? lmao, midget
who said I was proud. Merely stating the facts
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post 1631900303 02-20-2021, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
who said I was proud. Merely stating the facts
Here's another fact, you're a dwarf
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Just wear a mask manlet
Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Why are you so proud of your height? 6 foot? lmao, midget
Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Here's another fact, you're a dwarf
Spoiler!
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post 1631900733 02-20-2021, 01:19 PM
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reps for legit answers
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Yes, if they tell you that they are investigating an offence you are required to identify yourself. If not, you'll be charged criminally with obstruction (Section 129 of the Criminal Code)... a lot worse than a mask fine.

And the manager can give a statement, they don't need to see you breaking the law. The manager is protecting himself, the fines are much higher for business owners, risk of being shutdown, etc.
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Surely he wouldn't be smart enough to film you not wearing it before calling the cops on you so it just becomes your word against his.

Edit - Not to mention the probably dozen or so security cameras in the place
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Originally Posted By Home_Slice⏩
And the manager can give a statement, they don't need to see you breaking the law.
So if someone tells them I am drunk in the public they can attempt to charge me with public intoxication?
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post 1631901163 02-20-2021, 01:26 PM
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its not your property so respect the rules *******.
post 1631901483 02-20-2021, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Surely he wouldn't be smart enough to film you not wearing it before calling the cops on you so it just becomes your word against his.
well thats just the thing, the staff isn't following the rules half the time so I doubt they would snitch but just want to know what info I have to provide to police. I never carry my wallet on me at the gym
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
So if someone tells them I am drunk in the public they can attempt to charge me with public intoxication?
Being drunk in public is a summary offence in Canada so you can only be arrested if you are found committing. The police would be doing their due diligence and not just take a complainants word for it (ie. physically looking at you to see if you're actually drunk before arresting you). Believe me, the police are way too busy to care about that. They are not going to find you after the fact and give you a ticket The mask thing, given current political climate may be different, but they are not responding to a guy in a gym not wearing a mask if they have other calls...and most reasonably sized police forces in this province are literally call to call all day.
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Canada opened concentration camps this week.

I don’t think personal civil rights are a thing in Canada anymore.

It’s clear that they can bend laws to suit whatever narrative they presently push. So even if someone can find a law for which you could shelter under I doubt the government would allow you to use it in your defence.


Your options are limited:
Flee the country
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
well thats just the thing, the staff isn't following the rules half the time so I doubt they would snitch but just want to know what info I have to provide to police. I never carry my wallet on me at the gym
You're not driving a car...there is no expectation to have physical identification on you (although having something with a picture certainly makes the experience easier). You HAVE to provide full name and date of birth, no exceptions. Unless they don't believe you, that is usually satisfactory. If not, they have the right to ask follow up questions so that they can confirm the information (like address on your DL, whether you have a criminal record, etc.)
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Originally Posted By Home_Slice⏩
The mask thing, given current political climate may be different, but they are not responding to a guy in a gym not wearing a mask if they have other calls...and most reasonably sized police forces in this province are literally call to call all day.
But suppose they do show up and I am wearing a mask and they never see it off my face. What can they do? Warn me at best?
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
But suppose they do show up and I am wearing a mask and they never see it off my face. What can they do? Warn me at best?
It's tough to give an answer to a hypothetical situation. A warning is certainly possible. But an insistent manager and a statement (and probably video surveillance) coupled with the current political climate (ie. the officers have been given direction from management that if they have reasonable grounds that no warnings are to be issued) it is not out of the realm of getting a ticket. Doesn't matter if you think you did anything wrong or not...are you prepared to sit in a courthouse for a days worth of your time trying to convince a judge you didn't do it?

I don't support what you're trying to pull here. I've answered the question, wear a mask.
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Originally Posted By Home_Slice⏩
I don't support what you're trying to pull here. I've answered the question, wear a mask.
I've asked to politely have my membership cancelled but they are not willing to work with me so I'm not being compliant anymore
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
I've asked to politely have my membership cancelled but they are not willing to work with me so I'm not being compliant anymore
What's their reason for not canceling your membership? Did you sign a contract for a predetermined length of time?
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honestly don't think so brah

i think most of these BS charges will be thrown out eventually esp. if you lawyer up

i believe ontario also states that if you're unable to wear a mask due to a medical condition, they cant question you/ask for proof, or force you to wear one

its pretty comical how people freak out about people not wearing masks, yet feel safe when people wear cloth masks which are penetrated by 97% of particles coming out of your mouth

i am not a lawyer or a scientist
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Just wear a mask
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man im loving texas today i walked in with zero mask. checked in. Almost no one wearing mask. No one cares
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Originally Posted By jasticus⏩
man im loving texas today i walked in with zero mask. checked in. Almost no one wearing mask. No one cares
mirin

is it still cold af?
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Originally Posted By BigBoiRoy⏩
mirin

is it still cold af?
na starting to be nice snow almost gone
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Your gym can kick you out for any reason. It's their property. Don't be a ******* and try to break their rules. If it was your business you'd feel the same way. Every man is king in his own castle.

As to what the cops can do to you on public or your house, that's a different story. But we live in a far from fair or just society at this point, and the answer to what the legal system can do to you is: whatever the **** it wants. Lol at you if you think a judge is going to go "hey that's not fair what was done to that guy" in 2021.
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Lol at people wearing masks while training, have fun with penumonia bruh
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Originally Posted By jasticus⏩
man im loving texas today i walked in with zero mask. checked in. Almost no one wearing mask. No one cares
Where in Texas?
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