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post 1635807923 04-09-2021, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Both doctors said yesterday that the behaviors are different when you die from a drug overdose. George did not do, based on video evidence, what drug overdose death people do in their last stages of life.


Cliffs: when you die from drug intoxication the dying body does certain things which George did not do. He died form lack of O2 to his brain after 5 min and was dead for the other 3 min 30 sec.
didn't he have a cocktail of 5+ drugs in his system?
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
It's one part of what is a very reasonable assessment of the factors leading to Floyd's death. Their arguments from that same article:



It's possible Floyd may have lived if he wasn't involved in a struggle and restrained, but then whose fault is it for the escalation? The video makes that very clear it's his fault. We need to return to the age of agency and responsibility. His serum levels of ******** were 11 ng/ml.

https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publica...was%20involved.


Floyd had multiple drugs in his system. The current argument from the prosecution's toxicologist-witness is that the measured levels were "nor********" which apparently is a metabolized form of the drug, that indicates recent and since-processed use of ********. So that's what I'm curious about.
He definitely would have lived if he didn't put himself this situation. He also would have lived if Chauvin would have got off of him.

There's definitely not a murder charge here, I think there's absolutely a manslaughter one though.
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
If he is found innocent cities across the US will burn to the ground. Billions in property damage, hundreds of assaults and dozens of murders will happen.
And this is the kind of thinking that has put blacks where they're at in the US. Facts don't matter, the truth doesn't matter, feelings are what matter. And people wonder why blacks are looked down upon by every other race.
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Originally Posted By BigBoyPants⏩
didn't he have a cocktail of 5+ drugs in his system?
They showed the levels on court tv, but they didn't reach the levels to create symptoms that would cause death. I forget the exact number, I am sure it is online somewhere.
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This is just one expert called by the Prosecution. Undoubtedly the Defense will call an expert which will say the opposite. Overall it'll probably be a wash on this issue.
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Originally Posted By Chadster01⏩
You literally hit every alt right talking point and phrase on the check list. You are actually the reactionary , you don't even know what the term means. lul.

The top charge is 2nd degree unintentional murder, and the criteria for that is killing someone while committing an assault. Now only an idiot would deny that choking someone with a knee for 10 minutes while they are handcuffed, including 3 minutes while unconscious, including after you were told they had no pulse, is NOT assault, especially when it violates police policy.

Then third degree murder = "by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life". Again only a psycho path would deny his actions did not meet that standard. Any other questions?
Just a heads up as a lawyer you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. There are reasonable arguments to be made on both side, but you're not making them.

As starting points, define the elements of assault, and define the elements of 3rd degree murder. Now walk us through how the facts of this case fulfill each of those elements given that: 1) intent is required for the former and Chauvin likely reasonably believed he was following police policy (and arguably was), and; 2) causation of death is required by the latter, and Floyd had 3x the lethal dose of ******** in his system and was complaining about not being able to breath before he was restrained.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
They showed the levels on court tv, but they didn't reach the levels to create symptoms that would cause death. I forget the exact number, I am sure it is online somewhere.
I'm pretty sure his ******** levels were multiple times what would be a morbid level.

Google seems to be censoring information on this though. This is the world you ****s have created. Stick up for what's right, justice and freedom.
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Originally Posted By cjr169⏩
He definitely would have lived if he didn't put himself this situation. He also would have lived if Chauvin would have got off of him.

There's definitely not a murder charge here, I think there's absolutely a manslaughter one though.
Yeah maybe, the problem is how does Chauvin know that he ingested lethal amounts of a powerful drug? I'm sure he suspected he was on something based by his behavior, but I'd guess in nearly all situations, those restraints are not deadly. The psycho activists in media just can't admit that both sides fukt up.

It's just typical tribalism garbage. The irony being that I know about more fukt up instances of legit police brutality than most of these civil rights activists. Cases they will never advocate for.
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Originally Posted By BigBoyPants⏩
I'm pretty sure his ******** levels were multiple times what would be a morbid level.

Google seems to be censoring information on this though. This is the world you ****s have created. Stick up for what's right, justice and freedom.
The chart showed a bar graph, where his level was on the low end of the 3 graphs.
If he would have died from that, F, his behavior would have been calm and sleepy, not struggling to breath twisting and contorting his body. That is what I surmised.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Both doctors said yesterday that the behaviors are different when you die from a drug overdose. George did not do, based on video evidence, what drug overdose death people do in their last stages of life.


Cliffs: when you die from drug intoxication the dying body does certain things which George did not do. He died form lack of O2 to his brain after 5 min and was dead for the other 3 min 30 sec.
Yeh, looks like he wasn't high as a kite at all...fuking muppet! Watch from 0:27 dancing like a chicken. Most news channels have edited this part out as it shows he is quite clearly off his fuking rocker! But keep up your mental gymnastics, and keep defending a druggie criminal you soy filled betas

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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Say it with me brother..

"We the jury, find Derek Chauvin GUILTY on all charges. Please sentence him to 350 years in PMITA prison, judge."
I don't think he can be found guilty on all charges... lol

And I don't care if he is found guilty or not. He won't become some Martyr for me, he's some guy far away from me doing a career I would never consider dealing with crackheads all day which I would never subject myself to. I don't relate to the guy at all.

He's still innocent though, at least of murder.
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
How hard is it not to kill people?
Yes, seriously... how ****ing hard is it?...

When will black people stop ****ing murdering everyone
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Are liberals really this stupid and easily mislead?

It's called expert shopping, where both sides find experts to support their version of events. It's very prevalent in medical malpractice lawsuits.
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Originally Posted By JIA⏩
Are liberals really this stupid and easily mislead?

It's called expert shopping, where both sides find experts to support their version of events. It's very prevalent in medical malpractice lawsuits.
I've done some expert witness work in my field - civil engineering - unfortunately there are plenty of people who will go along with whatever side hires them for a fat paycheck.
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
When the justice system fails to provide justice there will be consequences. Maybe stop murdering blacks with impunity if you don't want civil unrest. How hard is it not to kill people?

But then again as long as the perpetrator is white miscers will use all kinds of mental gymnastics to defend them.
How hard is it for any person - black, white, yellow, purple, whatever... to follow police instructions and not resist arrest? Seriously how flipping stupid do you have to be to resist arrest, or resist being put in a squad car? THAT is the reason that the situation escalated and eventually led to unnecessary loss of life.

I am looking forward to your ridiculous reply/excuse.
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******** killed him, he died of respiratory depression via opiates.
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Originally Posted By LOOKATTHATSHINE⏩
How hard is it for any person - black, white, yellow, purple, whatever... to follow police instructions and not resist arrest? Seriously how flipping stupid do you have to be to resist arrest, or resist being put in a squad car? THAT is the reason that the situation escalated and eventually led to unnecessary loss of life.

I am looking forward to your ridiculous reply/excuse.
He can't even comprehend what you are saying, LMAO at getting a response
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
If an innocent man is found innocent, terrorists will tear the country apart.

The absolute state of America at this point.
There is literally video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck while he was pleading that he couldn't breathe. Miscers literally think it is okay to kill people as long as the victims are minorities.

Look at whenever a mass shooting happens targeting black churches, asian salons, etc. Miscers come out of the woodwork to make excuses and defend the murderers.

Even saying that the shooter must have had a bad day. Lmao. Whites show more empathy to murders than innocent victims because of skin color.
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
There is literally video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck while he was pleading that he couldn't breathe. Miscers literally think it is okay to kill people as long as the victims are minorities.

Look at whenever a mass shooting happens targeting black churches, asian salons, etc. Miscers come out of the woodwork to make excuses and defend the murderers.

Even saying that the shooter must have had a bad day. Lmao. Whites show more empathy to murders than innocent victims because of skin color.
Link to miscers defending Dylan Roof? Or other black church massacres I am not aware of?? Cause I would gladly flip the electrocution switch on that piece of chit myself and sleep well that night, and think most would agree with me.
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Alright brahs. What's the plan if/when the guilty verdict comes in?

We already know the plan on the left for a not guilty verdict (billions of $$$, death, destruction), but how are we going to make the country pay?
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
There is literally video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck while he was pleading that he couldn't breathe. Miscers literally think it is okay to kill people as long as the victims are minorities.

Look at whenever a mass shooting happens targeting black churches, asian salons, etc. Miscers come out of the woodwork to make excuses and defend the murderers.

Even saying that the shooter must have had a bad day. Lmao. Whites show more empathy to murders than innocent victims because of skin color.
And there is LITERALLY a video of Floyd pleading that he couldn't breathe before anyone laid hands on him
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
There is literally video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck while he was pleading that he couldn't breathe. Miscers literally think it is okay to kill people as long as the victims are minorities.

Look at whenever a mass shooting happens targeting black churches, asian salons, etc. Miscers come out of the woodwork to make excuses and defend the murderers.

Even saying that the shooter must have had a bad day. Lmao. Whites show more empathy to murders than innocent victims because of skin color.
Now you're just plain making things up you cuck
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
There is literally video evidence of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck while he was pleading that he couldn't breathe. Miscers literally think it is okay to kill people as long as the victims are minorities.

Look at whenever a mass shooting happens targeting black churches, asian salons, etc. Miscers come out of the woodwork to make excuses and defend the murderers.

Even saying that the shooter must have had a bad day. Lmao. Whites show more empathy to murders than innocent victims because of skin color.
As chitty as the misc is at times, ive literally never seen them defend a mass murderer
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Originally Posted By shoelaces⏩
How would you feel if it was your family member that had a knee on their neck while pleading that they couldn't breathe? He was already subdued face down on the ground and held down by multiple people.

Maybe show a little empathy for a person who lost their life.
Nobody in my family is a drug using criminal who once robbed a pregnant woman at gun point.


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When homie doesn’t get the sentence BLM wants, I hope they go to the criminal sympathizers houses such as yourself first.
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Originally Posted By demfeelsbro⏩
Here you go you fukin low IQ cuck. Only this was for 13 minutes, and they were laughing about it...is that good enough?



Have you even heard of this case??? remember the riots for him???

fukin clown world
translation: "We white americans are boot licking cucks and dont care if a white guy gets murdered by the police, how dare black people care and riot if a black guy gets killed by the police"

You demonize and demean black people rioting, and yet you want them to riot on your behalf so you can sit at home and call them animals while they do it?

Fkn lmao at you, you slimy little cockroach.
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Didn't realize that main misc was talking about this as well. Dr Tobin was great for the prosecution yesterday, and the ME today was....... I don't think he was really "bad" for either side. The defense still can use certain things to fit their angle the same as the prosecution can.

Manslaughter is the charge I still think is gonna happen unless something crazy happens, but I wouldn't be altogether shocked if Murder 3 he is found guilty of also. He won't be guilty of murder 2 there's just no way, but I still think the door is slightly open for 3
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It seems irrelevant to me.

They did not invent a new wrestling move by some real-time moral judgement. They followed the procedure directed from their department for this situation.

I do not think the force makes sense. I do not think the officers know this is dangerous. They just performed the arrest as instructed and probably assumed it is safe.

Sue the government for approving the method.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Alright brahs. What's the plan if/when the guilty verdict comes in?

We already know the plan on the left for a not guilty verdict (billions of $$$, death, destruction), but how are we going to make the country pay?


The modern right wing American is an absolute vile coward (srs). A champion of mental gymnastics, hypocrisy and double standards. Anything to cope so that they can continue to wage slave and stuff their mouths with fast food and soda as they live out their bleak existence.
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Originally Posted By randombrah102⏩
translation: "We white americans are boot licking cucks and dont care if a white guy gets murdered by the police, how dare black people care and riot if a black guy gets killed by the police"

You demonize and demean black people rioting,and yet you want them to riot on your behalfso you can sit at home and call them animals while they do it?

Fkn lmao at you, you slimy little cockroach.
Uhh...where did you get that moronic idea?
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