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post 1636568223 04-19-2021, 09:53 AM
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Funny part is that any alien race that has developed technology to travel across a span of light years would be so far ahead of us it wouldn't even be fair. Would ravage us without a fight.
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Idk if we’ve been visited or not. If we have I lean more towards them being avatars more so than biological beings. Biological beings would be behind it somewhere though like someone else said, that’s if we aren’t in a simulation. It’s certainly interesting though. If we can’t even get along over different shades of skin color we gon die to some alien overlords.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
I doubt it. What are these centuries old materials about a topic which was unknown before the 20th century? Simulation theory is a modern invention. Within the past 20 years. In fact, it was invented in 2003 by some idiot philosophy professor in the UK. Simulations themselves didn't exist until we had computers. That concept itself can be no more than 80 years old. Moreover, to simulate a universe as massive as ours would require it to exist in a universe even larger. For each atom simulated here, you have trillions of atoms devoted to machines that exist there, to run the simulation. The notion has a scaling factor to it that is mind-bogglingly absurd.
you believe we are a simulation in a macbook pro lol

c'mon m8 its god we're talking about here think bill gates on steroids
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Originally Posted By buwbs⏩
you believe we are a simulation in a macbook pro lol

c'mon m8 its god we're talking about here think bill gates on steroids
Weird right. Just cuz we cant do something doesnt mean it'll be impossible forever.

Kelvin himself said it is impossible heavier than air machines can not fly. Didnt take long
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah because everyone assumes it’s just some Amazon drone prototype or some new Elon Musk toy or a foreign spy plane.

Idk I think it could be real and I’m afraid of aliens. I’m scared they will land in my area and invade. I’m almost certain aliens will be hostile and will experiment on us or kills us. The way we do with insects.
Absolutely not. Any creatures intelligent enough to travel here and make contact would almost certainly already have all of their resource and energy needs met from other planets and asteroids. It would be much more logical that they would try to keep their distance and be of help when possible, which is how we would behave some day if we were able to achieve the same thing.
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Originally Posted By buwbs⏩
you believe we are a simulation in a macbook pro lol

c'mon m8 its god we're talking about here think bill gates on steroids
LOL. Put down the bong.


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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
How do we treat insects? We are not exactly trying to help them right?

I don’t believe at all that our alien overlords will be benign and empathic and helpful. I hope so but I don’t think so. It’s much more likely they will destroy us or experiment on us. I don’t believe life and survival are ultimately driven by good forces of empathy. The essence of survival is much more brutal.
A better comparison would be how do civilized modern societies treat people in the amazon and other areas that are uncontacted tribes? We leave them alone and would only interfere if it was truly needed. Of course, there are pirate types of renegade groups who might try to abuse them or kill them if they interfere with logging or something, however, we have to assume an alien race advanced enough to travel here would be at least on par with our most advanced civilizations and most likely more empathetic.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
The benign theory also assumes they will be close enough to human scale to be relatable.

They might be vastly larger. So large that they don’t even observe us as individuals but as a colony or even observe only our planet on a planetary scale and not the individual life forms in it.

Like when we see water we don’t regard the individual drops or the molecules as having any separate significance. We just see the body of water. Because that is scaled to our human size and our human perception. Alien perception might be so vastly larger that they don’t even see us as individual beings.

And the concept of empathy and help might be entirely human. You don’t know if other life forms have those same concepts.
More like they are in our consciousness already
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
Too many people... gone on for too long... if they were real and we were covering it up, it would have come out by now. People talk. People on their deathbeds talk. There is no conspiracy to hide these things. If there is a conspiracy, it's to make people think black ops military experiments are actually UFOs. It's a nice cover story and allows the military to keep their secrets.

Remember the first time you learned about this? Now imagine what it must have looked like 10 years earlier when somebody caught a glimpse of it during flight trials while it was still top secret.


https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1566417575.jpg
Huh? There's hundreds and hundreds of people, former military and pilots, and dying people who have confessed to ufo and alien stories they bid their whole lives before that. Some don't even wait that long. Hard evidence is obviously missing but i mean regarding the subject that can be a bit understandable.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
The benign theory also assumes they will be close enough to human scale to be relatable.

They might be vastly larger. So large that they don’t even observe us as individuals but as a colony or even observe only our planet on a planetary scale and not the individual life forms in it.

Like when we see water we don’t regard the individual drops or the molecules as having any separate significance. We just see the body of water. Because that is scaled to our human size and our human perception. Alien perception might be so vastly larger that they don’t even see us as individual beings.

And the concept of empathy and help might be entirely human. You don’t know if other life forms have those same concepts.
Trillions of billions of alien species are out there and every single species and each individual of those species r coming to pepper u Angus without mercy all because of u bloat fly
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Originally Posted By Seamanbeast⏩
Absolutely not. Any creatures intelligent enough to travel here and make contact would almost certainly already have all of their resource and energy needs met from other planets and asteroids. It would be much more logical that they would try to keep their distance and be of help when possible, which is how we would behave some day if we were able to achieve the same thing.
LOL. Nope. The only reason to visit other planets is 1) a quest of knowledge or 2) access to their resources. No civilization with technology great enough to travel here is in need of our knowledge. We have only 4 outcomes. We end up in their zoos. We end up their slaves. We end up in their food chain. Or we end up dead and they take the full resources of the planet for themselves. The idea that they'd come all this way, in peace, just to give us stuff to make our lives better is about as believable as Cortes traveling to central America just to the Aztecs about higher mathematics. Cortes went there looking for gold. He found it. He also found a backward, bloodthirsty civilization. He tried to avoid conflict, but found it impossible. So he conquered them easily. If aliens showed up here, we'd be the Aztecs. We'd stand no chance unless our sheer numbers could overwhelm them.
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The old gym I used to go to, the owner was convinced that we were put on earth to mine gold for aliens, because aliens ate it for food - and then we got too advanced and just did our own thing.

He said that the governments were aware of aliens, so thats why kids toys /movies/pack lunchboxes were all alien themed and friendly - to get a few generations used to aliens, so when they realised it - nobody was scared and panicked haha. Crackhead..


To be fair though, if they did announce aliens - wouldnt that completely cripple religion? Or would people just be like "BUT GOD CREATED THE ALIENS TO! HE MADE EVERYTHING HE WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS"
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
LOL. Nope. The only reason to visit other planets is 1) a quest of knowledge or 2) access to their resources. No civilization with technology great enough to travel here is in need of our knowledge. We have only 4 outcomes. We end up in their zoos. We end up their slaves. We end up in their food chain. Or we end up dead and they take the full resources of the planet for themselves. The idea that they'd come all this way, in peace, just to give us stuff to make our lives better is about as believable as Cortes traveling to central America just to the Aztecs about higher mathematics. Cortes went there looking for gold. He found it. He also found a backward, bloodthirsty civilization. He tried to avoid conflict, but found it impossible. So he conquered them easily. If aliens showed up here, we'd be the Aztecs. We'd stand no chance unless our sheer numbers could overwhelm them.
You can't compare a pre-industrial civilizations actions to that of a post-atomic age one. If we were to find life on Mars in 5 years we would not try to eradicate it, eat it, or enslave it. You might have a situation where a more primitive species is destroyed because it somehow poses a threat to a more advanced species, but that would be very very unlikely.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
2003? Baudrillard guy made it famous in the 80s and long before that ancient greek philosophers have been talking about illusions etc which is an element of a simulation.

Its been talked about in ancient greece, reformation europe, indian, asian mythologies and even semitic mythology (judaism, christianity, islam) has thoughts about this. Actually what they are offering us is a type of simulation (you are in a controlled fake world and will only leave when you die so you can join us and live for an eternity)

You know Im not sure if I should post chitloads of links and treaties to show it didnt start with Keanu Reeves or just simply say "fukcing google that sh.t"


I do not believe it 100% either. But it is equally hard to disprove.
He says The Matrix was a misreading of his ideas though, but that does bring up the point that it started earlier than 2003 because clearly The Matrix was made before 2003, so on that point I was wrong. I don't remember ANY of this simulation theory nonsense before that movie though. I never heard about it in the 70's or 80's, that's for sure. I don't recall any sci-fi stories about it, nor it ever coming up in conversation or discussion in HS or college. For all intents and purposes, it was not a mainstream idea until The Matrix.
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Originally Posted By Seamanbeast⏩
You can't compare a pre-industrial civilizations actions to that of a post-atomic age one. If we were to find life on Mars in 5 years we would not try to eradicate it, eat it, or enslave it. You might have a situation where a more primitive species is destroyed because it somehow poses a threat to a more advanced species, but that would be very very unlikely.
If it stood in our way for colonizing Mars, we'd eradicate it. If it helped us survive the colonization of Mars, we'd eat it. If we needed it to do work for us we couldn't do, we'd enslave it. For sure. In case 1, imagine a fungus that was toxic to us. In case 2, imagine a moss which was nutritious and grew easily there. In case 3, imagine a beast of burden like a horse that we'd capture and use for physical labor. In all 3 cases... alien life. In all 3 cases... we'd justify our actions. Imagine an alien race so advanced that they see us as little more than beasts of burden. Not enlightened like they are. Or maybe they have no concept of right and wrong. In any event, if they'd devoted considerable resources to coming here, I think the reasons would be more likely malignant than benign.
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Kind of the plan for the government no?

We've been desensitized for like 70 years.
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
For all intents and purposes, it was not a mainstream idea until The Matrix.
Correct. The idea itself is ancient but the movie made it mainstream.

But honestly there are other movies like that too like Truman Show.

Anyways nice discussing/ arguing this with you. Most people end up insulting, resorting to racism or insulting female relatives.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
If it stood in our way for colonizing Mars, we'd eradicate it. If it helped us survive the colonization of Mars, we'd eat it. If we needed it to do work for us we couldn't do, we'd enslave it. For sure. In case 1, imagine a fungus that was toxic to us. In case 2, imagine a moss which was nutritious and grew easily there. In case 3, imagine a beast of burden like a horse that we'd capture and use for physical labor. In all 3 cases... alien life. In all 3 cases... we'd justify our actions. Imagine an alien race so advanced that they see us as little more than beasts of burden. Not enlightened like they are. Or maybe they have no concept of right and wrong. In any event, if they'd devoted considerable resources to coming here, I think the reasons would be more likely malignant than benign.
We have discovered many new species on Earth and continue to do so and yet never seek to do any of those things to them. I think we agree on the fact though that if it posed a true threat, ei; some exotic fungus that could potentially destroy humanity if it got back to Earth, we would attempt to destroy it for self preservation. Obviously there are no guarantees, but I personally think that the odds would strongly favor a neutral to positive encounter.
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Originally Posted By Seamanbeast⏩
We have discovered many new species on Earth and continue to do so and yet never seek to do any of those things to them. I think we agree on the fact though that if it posed a true threat, ei; some exotic fungus that could potentially destroy humanity if it got back to Earth, we would attempt to destroy it for self preservation. Obviously there are no guarantees, but I personally think that the odds would strongly favor a neutral to positive encounter.
If you don't think some people would try to eat any aliens we meet...

...you clearly have never met a Chinaman!
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
He says The Matrix was a misreading of his ideas though, but that does bring up the point that it started earlier than 2003 because clearly The Matrix was made before 2003, so on that point I was wrong. I don't remember ANY of this simulation theory nonsense before that movie though. I never heard about it in the 70's or 80's, that's for sure. I don't recall any sci-fi stories about it, nor it ever coming up in conversation or discussion in HS or college. For all intents and purposes, it was not a mainstream idea until The Matrix.
youtube.com/watch?v=VluQdFQPyeI

around 3:50

1977, Philip K. Dick talks about living in a simulation.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
If you don't think some people would try to eat any aliens we meet...

...you clearly have never met a Chinaman!
Lol, excellent point. It would be Martian Bat soup within a week of discovery.
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modern sim theory as codified by nick bostrom is just a hypothesis-response to the fermi paradox.

there are like 25 plus different theories

they are generally like:

aliens are hiding
there are no aliens
aliens do not explore the galaxy (all of them decide this independently)

you can think of his as a version of number 1
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
If it stood in our way for colonizing Mars, we'd eradicate it. If it helped us survive the colonization of Mars, we'd eat it. If we needed it to do work for us we couldn't do, we'd enslave it. For sure. In case 1, imagine a fungus that was toxic to us. In case 2, imagine a moss which was nutritious and grew easily there. In case 3, imagine a beast of burden like a horse that we'd capture and use for physical labor. In all 3 cases... alien life. In all 3 cases... we'd justify our actions. Imagine an alien race so advanced that they see us as little more than beasts of burden. Not enlightened like they are. Or maybe they have no concept of right and wrong. In any event, if they'd devoted considerable resources to coming here, I think the reasons would be more likely malignant than benign.
Aliens wouldn't be violent, humans ****e chemical imbalances in nutrition causes violence another reason the government doesn't correctly inform us of correct nutrition it keeps us suppressed/restless/ perfect environment for lucid dreaming
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
modern sim theory as codified by nick bostrom is just a hypothesis-response to the fermi paradox.

there are like 25 plus different theories

they are generally like:

aliens are hiding
there are no aliens
aliens do not explore the galaxy (all of them decide this independently)

you can think of his as a version of number 1
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
modern sim theory as codified by nick bostrom is just a hypothesis-response to the fermi paradox.

there are like 25 plus different theories

they are generally like:

aliens are hiding
there are no aliens
aliens do not explore the galaxy (all of them decide this independently)

you can think of his as a version of number 1
Not enough theories to alien species ratio
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
Correct. The idea itself is ancient but the movie made it mainstream.

But honestly there are other movies like that too like Truman Show.

Anyways nice discussing/ arguing this with you. Most people end up insulting, resorting to racism or insulting female relatives.
The Simpsons "sim" close enough lol
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
It’s a real UFO, an identified flying object... doesn’t mean it’s aliens though.


The scale of the universe is too damn big for there to be a even a slight chance of alien visitation.
This. UFO doesn't mean alien.

Aliens exist, but they have never visited this planet. The universe is simply too big for any alien to travel the distance to get here.
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