Thread: Lying to Employer About Vaccine
04-27-2021, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
Because you are too fukking stupid to figure this out on you're own, I will help you out... A HIPAA violation would be if a health care provider divulged information without the patient's consent. Your employer requiring YOU to show proof is NOT a HIPAA violation.You literally have to provide consent for your provider to give your employer your medical history. Which, pretty easily, implies you are under no obligation to share it with them. Really not sure where you're getting this self-righteous indignation from, because you could not be more wrong.
Originally Posted By SiIverBack⏩
And what a ******* you are. See above.What a total cookie cutter you are, he was saying that you do not need to show proof of any medical record you have because of HIPAA or HIPPA like he said. Thats why he brought up to ask when their last HIV test was, its not their business.
Divulging health care information improperly = HIPAA violation
Requesting/seeking health care information FROM THE INDIVIDUAL =/= HIPAA violation
Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
If you're not saying it's a HIPAA violation, why would you even bring it up?BINGO!
At least one guy got it. I never even said it was a HIPAA violation, he just made the strawman argument. My point was simply that they don't have the right to know and you don't have to answer. Other laws protect you from reciprocity. Equal Employment Opportunity or Department of Labor might save, OP... but as someone else said, it would probably make for a completely toxic environment anyway and you'd probably just be better off leaving.
At least one guy got it. I never even said it was a HIPAA violation, he just made the strawman argument. My point was simply that they don't have the right to know and you don't have to answer. Other laws protect you from reciprocity. Equal Employment Opportunity or Department of Labor might save, OP... but as someone else said, it would probably make for a completely toxic environment anyway and you'd probably just be better off leaving.
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Can y’all stay on topic about my question instead of talking about HIPPO
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
Yes, that's pretty much it. The card was blank and they filled it out when I gave my ID, then handed me the filled out card to bring with me to get the shot. I got the card right in the front of the store, and the shots were in the back near the pharmacy. Nothing would prevent you from heading toward the line and then walking out the door with your card. I don't think they would even notice.So you walk in and say hi I’m here for the shot and they give you a card with everything filled out and say here’s the line you need to wait in? Seems too easy
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04-27-2021, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩
I’m going to give this a try. Inb4 tackled my security walking outYes, that's pretty much it. The card was blank and they filled it out when I gave my ID, then handed me the filled out card to bring with me to get the shot. I got the card right in the front of the store, and the shots were in the back near the pharmacy. Nothing would prevent you from heading toward the line and then walking out the door with your card. I don't think they would even notice.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
lol at security in a CVS.I’m going to give this a try. Inb4 tackled my security walking out
Good luck brah.
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Is it any surprise that OP is willing to kill/hospitalize his coworkers and their loved ones?
It would only be right for your employer to abandon you, like you're abandoning your dog.
Sick fukk.
It would only be right for your employer to abandon you, like you're abandoning your dog.
Sick fukk.
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OP i’m gonna be dead ass honest with u
if u live in a “right to work” state like me, we’re prob fked unless we can pull that CVS chit some posters are talking about above and get the card and then just walk out with the card and not get it
But being in a right to work state, literally any place could get rid of u for not taking the vaccine if they wanted to and they could just lie and say it’s for some other reason and there’s literally no way u could prob fight it
but fk it, I’m still not getting it and I’ll walk out immediately on any employer that tries to force that chit on me
if u live in a “right to work” state like me, we’re prob fked unless we can pull that CVS chit some posters are talking about above and get the card and then just walk out with the card and not get it
But being in a right to work state, literally any place could get rid of u for not taking the vaccine if they wanted to and they could just lie and say it’s for some other reason and there’s literally no way u could prob fight it
but fk it, I’m still not getting it and I’ll walk out immediately on any employer that tries to force that chit on me
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Originally Posted By BrunotheBoxer⏩
Unfortunately, yes they can. That's the unfortunate state of affairs of wagecuckery in the US.Bro there are like a million blank vaccine cards you can download off the interwebz and print out.
Just take a day off to say you have decided to get the vaccine and if they ask to see your card either call a lawyer or show the fake one.
Or do nothing see if they actually fire you then profit with the law suit.
They can’t make you take an experimental vaccine.
Just take a day off to say you have decided to get the vaccine and if they ask to see your card either call a lawyer or show the fake one.
Or do nothing see if they actually fire you then profit with the law suit.
They can’t make you take an experimental vaccine.
Talk to any employment lawyer and the employer can definitely fire you if they want you to take it and you refuse to.
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Originally Posted By AWSbruh⏩
Chit, ive been in my office since the pandemic started. Looking to become part of the work from home crew, hopefully.People actually have to go in the office still lmao? Son get with a company that believes in remote work. This is 2021 not 2008
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
OP posted this topic because he doesn't want to lose his employment for not getting the vaccine. That post PTzFree was saying OP isn't required to share that information.. Use some context cluesDivulging health care information improperly = HIPAA violation
Requesting/seeking health care information FROM THE INDIVIDUAL =/= HIPAA violation
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Requesting/seeking health care information FROM THE INDIVIDUAL =/= HIPAA violation
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Because panic-cels these days have stepped out of line and think they are entitled to more information than they really are. My point in bringing up HIPAA rights was that under that act, you aren't even required to provide them with that information. They can ask - actually says it right on the HIPAA website - but they are not entitled to it. To keep asking and harassing an employee for information they are not entitled to may not be a HIPAA violation, but it probably violates some other law by virtue of the fact that they are pushing for him to divulge information protected under HIPAA.If you're not saying it's a HIPAA violation, why would you even bring it up?
Hope that clears it up.
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04-27-2021, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
Yes they can let you go easily over ‘something else’. You need a paper trail, recordings and to talk to a lawyer ahead of time to prove things were fine and they valued you until you wouldn’t get the injection. Be smart about it and set it all up ahead of time so it’s known by more people than just you.They can just say they’re making cuts and give no reason, right? Feel like it would be hard to prove in court that they fired me over not getting the vaccine
Technically this should fall under hipaa laws I’d think but there’s been several accounts of this so I’m not sure where we stand on it. They shouldn’t be able to even ask.
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04-27-2021, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By SiIverBack⏩
At this moment, it is not illegal to require a vaccine...OP posted this topic because he doesn't want to lose his employment for not getting the vaccine. That post PTzFree was saying OP isn't required to share that information.. Use some context clues
Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
This is incorrect, but okMy point in bringing up HIPAA rights was that under that act, you aren't even required to provide them with that information.
Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
There you go!. To keep asking and harassing an employee for information they are not entitled to may not be a HIPAA violation, .
Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
Then go figure out what that law is, and stop parroting HIPAA lolbut it probably violates some other law
Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
Again, you aren't understanding how HIPAA works. Seeking information from the individual isnot protected under HIPAA. A medical provider divulging information without consent from the individualis a HIPAA violation(but only on the part of the medical provider, so even then the employer would be fine lol).by virtue of the fact that they are pushing for him to divulge information protected under HIPAA
Hope that clears it up.
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Originally Posted By LoLBrah69⏩
Not abandoning my dog, not my fault you’re too retarded to see that. Also, not my fault you’re just a troll on a bodybuilding forum. Sad.Is it any surprise that OP is willing to kill/hospitalize his coworkers and their loved ones?
It would only be right for your employer to abandon you, like you're abandoning your dog.
Sick fukk.
It would only be right for your employer to abandon you, like you're abandoning your dog.
Sick fukk.
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CVS is all booked up unless I want to drive two hours away. I will keep trying and update when I get an appointment
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
We're saying the same thing, you're just being intentionally obtuse, obstinate, or both.At this moment, it is not illegal to require a vaccine...
This is incorrect, but ok
There you go!
Then go figure out what that law is, and stop parroting HIPAA lol
Again, you aren't understanding how HIPAA works. Seeking information from the individual isnot protected under HIPAA. A medical provider divulging information without consent from the individualis a HIPAA violation(but only on the part of the medical provider, so even then the employer would be fine lol).
Hope that clears it up.
This is incorrect, but ok
There you go!
Then go figure out what that law is, and stop parroting HIPAA lol
Again, you aren't understanding how HIPAA works. Seeking information from the individual isnot protected under HIPAA. A medical provider divulging information without consent from the individualis a HIPAA violation(but only on the part of the medical provider, so even then the employer would be fine lol).
Hope that clears it up.
The only part we're disagreeing on, that I don't see anywhere in HIPAA, is that he as the user and not the provider has to divulge his medical history if asked. I'm no lawyer, but I would think it'd be an easy bridge to build in a case that if HIPAA says your medical history cannot be handed out by your provider without your consent, then you wouldn't have to give consent if they were soliciting you directly either, i.e. - he can decline to comment.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
Go on at 6 am (srs) they will have more appointments.CVS is all booked up unless I want to drive two hours away. I will keep trying and update when I get an appointment
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
Like i've said before, the little card they give you with the vaccination is not meant to count as proof of vaccination status, it was originally meant to be a reminder for people who were receiving two dose shots to return for their second dose.CVS is all booked up unless I want to drive two hours away. I will keep trying and update when I get an appointment
People just turned it into a proof of vaccination because nothing else was available at the time.
Most states nowadays have a central immunization registry where providers will send the info of people they vaccinate. The NY vaccine passport for example, pulls info from the states immunization registry and displays it in a mobile app. If you show up to a venue that requires the passport with a piece of paper while everyone else is scanning their apps, you're not going to be able to get in.
If you show up to CVS and take the paper and leave without getting the shot, the pharmacist will not log you in the registry and you will have just wasted your time. If you fake the vaccine by printing a card, it may work with your employer for the time being, but in the event of a govt backed vaccine passport you'll be fukked.
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
lol you'll be ight bro, just say you forgot something in your car or an emergency popped upI’m going to give this a try. Inb4 tackled my security walking out
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Technically it would be a HIPPAA violation but I wouldn't trust a Portland judge to uphold my rights.
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Originally Posted By lolatpaniccels⏩
Nope.Unfortunately, yes they can. That's the unfortunate state of affairs of wagecuckery in the US.
Talk to any employment lawyer and the employer can definitely fire you if they want you to take it and you refuse to.
Talk to any employment lawyer and the employer can definitely fire you if they want you to take it and you refuse to.
They can threaten you all they want. They can fire you. But they can not force you to take that shot.
I’d say that most healthy people will never take that shot so that means they got to fire 50%? Of the workforce.
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Originally Posted By IMathew⏩
Sorry. I don’t own a phone. I’m too poor to afford one.Like i've said before, the little card they give you with the vaccination is not meant to count as proof of vaccination status, it was originally meant to be a reminder for people who were receiving two dose shots to return for their second dose.
People just turned it into a proof of vaccination because nothing else was available at the time.
Most states nowadays have a central immunization registry where providers will send the info of people they vaccinate. The NY vaccine passport for example, pulls info from the states immunization registry and displays it in a mobile app. If you show up to a venue that requires the passport with a piece of paper while everyone else is scanning their apps, you're not going to be able to get in.
If you show up to CVS and take the paper and leave without getting the shot, the pharmacist will not log you in the registry and you will have just wasted your time. If you fake the vaccine by printing a card, it may work with your employer for the time being, but in the event of a govt backed vaccine passport you'll be fukked.
People just turned it into a proof of vaccination because nothing else was available at the time.
Most states nowadays have a central immunization registry where providers will send the info of people they vaccinate. The NY vaccine passport for example, pulls info from the states immunization registry and displays it in a mobile app. If you show up to a venue that requires the passport with a piece of paper while everyone else is scanning their apps, you're not going to be able to get in.
If you show up to CVS and take the paper and leave without getting the shot, the pharmacist will not log you in the registry and you will have just wasted your time. If you fake the vaccine by printing a card, it may work with your employer for the time being, but in the event of a govt backed vaccine passport you'll be fukked.
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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩
Seriously???? Please tell me this is true.Here is a really easy way to do this.
1. Make an appointment with CVS.
2. Show up for your appointment. Show your insurance card and ID. They will fill out a vaccine card at check in and give you the card and tell you to go wait in line to get your vaccine.
3. LEAVE.
Done.
1. Make an appointment with CVS.
2. Show up for your appointment. Show your insurance card and ID. They will fill out a vaccine card at check in and give you the card and tell you to go wait in line to get your vaccine.
3. LEAVE.
Done.
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Originally Posted By IMathew⏩
Damn. What about all the drive thru vaccines they’re doing at churches and sh!t? There’s a nurse there entering all this info into her computer?Like i've said before, the little card they give you with the vaccination is not meant to count as proof of vaccination status, it was originally meant to be a reminder for people who were receiving two dose shots to return for their second dose.
People just turned it into a proof of vaccination because nothing else was available at the time.
Most states nowadays have a central immunization registry where providers will send the info of people they vaccinate. The NY vaccine passport for example, pulls info from the states immunization registry and displays it in a mobile app. If you show up to a venue that requires the passport with a piece of paper while everyone else is scanning their apps, you're not going to be able to get in.
If you show up to CVS and take the paper and leave without getting the shot, the pharmacist will not log you in the registry and you will have just wasted your time. If you fake the vaccine by printing a card, it may work with your employer for the time being, but in the event of a govt backed vaccine passport you'll be fukked.
People just turned it into a proof of vaccination because nothing else was available at the time.
Most states nowadays have a central immunization registry where providers will send the info of people they vaccinate. The NY vaccine passport for example, pulls info from the states immunization registry and displays it in a mobile app. If you show up to a venue that requires the passport with a piece of paper while everyone else is scanning their apps, you're not going to be able to get in.
If you show up to CVS and take the paper and leave without getting the shot, the pharmacist will not log you in the registry and you will have just wasted your time. If you fake the vaccine by printing a card, it may work with your employer for the time being, but in the event of a govt backed vaccine passport you'll be fukked.
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Originally Posted By Drew23⏩
Mine didnt do that. They filled it out in the room when he was getting ready to poke me.Yes, that's pretty much it. The card was blank and they filled it out when I gave my ID, then handed me the filled out card to bring with me to get the shot. I got the card right in the front of the store, and the shots were in the back near the pharmacy. Nothing would prevent you from heading toward the line and then walking out the door with your card. I don't think they would even notice.
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