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Thread: *Official* Options trading thread: Why Alpha/Beta when you can Theta?

post 1637618823 05-02-2021, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Glutamine2⏩
Isnt that still super risky? You’ll be theta crushed on those calls.
I’m selling calls brah. Theta is my homeboy
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Probably a basic question.. but if you have calls (in my case AHT) where earnings are posted after hours - there's no way to see your profit in real time other than to wait until open the next day, right? Unless you use option profit calculators online?
Any price difference after-hours isn't reflected in options until next market open so you gotta wait to see profits I believe.
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post 1637727963 05-04-2021, 07:57 AM
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Alrighty just gonna post all my updates here. Ignore if you don't care lol. Time to try and fix my ****ups. I'm just gonna post my plays here everytime I do something cause I wanna document my stupid/good plays.

Up 70% from XLF puts. Exited half my position and gonna leave half for later in case it goes back down
Bought some SOXS and PSQ calls to hedge against VOO and CRM. CRM calls down $800 atm.



Will probably enter $GS call near later today. I'll update post if I do.

Exited some regular long positions for more capital. Going VERY aggressive on options play.
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post 1637738473 05-04-2021, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
But also added
5/7 $750 @ $2.5 x4
5/21 $750 @ $11 x4
closed these out for a combined profit of $2k. Depending on if I get this house, I will need to liquidate about $150k, so trying to not have anything wrapped up past this week.

Currently working with:

STO
RKT
5/7
$24c x100
$25c x100

TSLA
5/7
$710c x4

Hoping and praying they all hit so I can choose which to sell and be happy with whichever I choose.
Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
Alrighty just gonna post all my updates here. Ignore if you don't care lol. Time to try and fix my ****ups. I'm just gonna post my plays here everytime I do something cause I wanna document my stupid/good plays.

Up 70% from XLF puts. Exited half my position and gonna leave half for later in case it goes back down
Bought some SOXS and PSQ calls to hedge against VOO and CRM. CRM calls down $800 atm.



Will probably enter $GS call near later today. I'll update post if I do.

Exited some regular long positions for more capital. Going VERY aggressive on options play.
accountability is huge for progress brah. Keep it up. Also, I highly recommend people utilize thetagang.com to track your chit. Really eye opening.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
closed these out for a combined profit of $2k. Depending on if I get this house, I will need to liquidate about $150k, so trying to not have anything wrapped up past this week.

Currently working with:

STO
RKT
5/7
$24c x100
$25c x100

TSLA
5/7
$710c x4

Hoping and praying they all hit so I can choose which to sell and be happy with whichever I choose.




accountability is huge for progress brah. Keep it up. Also, I highly recommend people utilize thetagang.com to track your chit. Really eye opening.
Whoa this is what I need. Thanks for the site!

EDIT: more buys

Bought OCGN $15 call 10/15
Bought GS $375 Call 7/16
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post 1637744113 05-04-2021, 11:28 AM
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Sometimes I just have to laugh at myself regarding stocks. TSLA was down -$20 and now its moved up $2 to only $-18. Suddenly Im feeling pretty good. Lol.
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Welp, gotta make some money even in a sideways trend. TSLA moving in the wrong direction. Still looking for a bounce.

STO
CL Jan22 87.50C
TSLA May07 705C x2
TSLA May07 710C x2
TSLA May07 630P
PLTR closed my May07 @.03 and opened Jun04 25C x10

Looking to net 3400 for these plays.

still short AAPL, BAM.A and TWTR calls
post 1637787223 05-04-2021, 09:03 PM
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Hey, Guys. Quick question. Maybe, It's just because I have low option level approval or I am generally unfamiliar with some of the more complex aspect I believe I can only do puts and calls SRS. To me it seems like they require a large amount of capital to secure your options so how are people making money with options SRS. For instance if contracts on average are 100 shares and say the company is worth 100$ a share you'd need 10k just incase you got assigned or somebody exercised their option I have seen some debit spreads and things like that but all around I understand the core concepts of paying premium or selling premium and all that but when I actually try to execute options I feel retarded SRS.

As a background I have technical and general analysis down for stocks and precious metal..etc so not totally retared SRS.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Hey, Guys. Quick question. Maybe, It's just because I have low option level approval or I am generally unfamiliar with some of the more complex aspect I believe I can only do puts and calls SRS. To me it seems like they require a large amount of capital to secure your options so how are people making money with options SRS. For instance if contracts on average are 100 shares and say the company is worth 100$ a share you'd need 10k just incase you got assigned or somebody exercised their option I have seen some debit spreads and things like that but all around I understand the core concepts of paying premium or selling premium and all that but when I actually try to execute options I feel retarded SRS.

As a background I have technical and general analysis down for stocks and precious metal..etc so not totally retared SRS.
I sent you really good option information thru PM's.
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post 1637816103 05-05-2021, 08:27 AM
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i posted about some big bets i saw on COP otm 5/21 $55 and $60 calls ($3m and $2m bets) they are up fat today! glad i bought a one lol
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post 1637818433 05-05-2021, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted By SipNPiz⏩
i posted about some big bets i saw on COP otm 5/21 $55 and $60 calls ($3m and $2m bets) they are up fat today! glad i bought a one lol
Not too late to grab a COP 60 CALL 6/18 as well. Still will be up if you hold for at least a month. Can't guarantee anything tho.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
closed these out for a combined profit of $2k. Depending on if I get this house, I will need to liquidate about $150k, so trying to not have anything wrapped up past this week.

Currently working with:

STO
RKT
5/7
$24c x100
$25c x100

TSLA
5/7
$710c x4

Hoping and praying they all hit so I can choose which to sell and be happy with whichever I choose.




accountability is huge for progress brah. Keep it up. Also, I highly recommend people utilize thetagang.com to track your chit. Really eye opening.
I followed your lead on the RKT and it turned out good for me. I got out this morning with a nice profit (not waiting for the earnings call and risk losing my gainz lol)
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post 1637821803 05-05-2021, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
I followed your lead on the RKT and it turned out good for me. I got out this morning with a nice profit (not waiting for the earnings call and risk losing my gainz lol)
gj brah. I'm really curious to see how this ER plays out. Every single ER, except last one with the special div announcement, it rocketed (huehuehue) and then erased all gains the next day(s). There may be more money to be made, but taking profits is never a bad thing. If it closes the week out <$24, I will take in $7500 in premiums, but obviously the underlying will probably take a hit, but I will just either open up weeklies or aim for 6/18, depending on which has the most IV.
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post 1637822243 05-05-2021, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
gj brah. I'm really curious to see how this ER plays out. Every single ER, except last one with the special div announcement, it rocketed (huehuehue) and then erased all gains the next day(s). There may be more money to be made, but taking profits is never a bad thing. If it closes the week out <$24, I will take in $7500 in premiums, but obviously the underlying will probably take a hit, but I will just either open up weeklies or aim for 6/18, depending on which has the most IV.
For that thetagang site can I not edit my trade and change the quantity? The only option I see is to change the price which is lame. I'm assuming you have to keep opening new trades? You also can't delete a trade if u fuked up huh?


GS call is printing! Aiming for $360 PT then gonna trim.
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post 1637823163 05-05-2021, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
For that thetagang site can I not edit my trade and change the quantity? The only option I see is to change the price which is lame. I'm assuming you have to keep opening new trades? You also can't delete a trade if u fuked up huh?


GS call is printing! Aiming for $360 PT then gonna trim.
yeah it's kind of limited which is a pain, but I've learned to manage. For instance, if I buy 10 calls and plan to close them ALL only then will I input all 10 on one entry. If I know/think I will close out some out here and there, I enter them individually. OOOOORRRRRr I had a situation with CSPs where I wanted to close some out, but wanted to let the rest expire. So I closed them out on Thetagang at a $0 profit/loss amount, then re-opened individually. Same thing with a trade that I went full dyslexic on, just closed it out at $0 p/l and re-entered.

Again, it can be a pain, but its worth it to me have a solid log like that available for reference. And accountability.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
yeah it's kind of limited which is a pain, but I've learned to manage. For instance, if I buy 10 calls and plan to close them ALL only then will I input all 10 on one entry. If I know/think I will close out some out here and there, I enter them individually. OOOOORRRRRr I had a situation with CSPs where I wanted to close some out, but wanted to let the rest expire. So I closed them out on Thetagang at a $0 profit/loss amount, then re-opened individually. Same thing with a trade that I went full dyslexic on, just closed it out at $0 p/l and re-entered.

Again, it can be a pain, but its worth it to me have a solid log like that available for reference. And accountability.
Gotcha. This site could be so much better with a few simple updates. Is it new or just lack of dev support? Either way, I'm sure it'll get those updates in the future because they are a no brainer.
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Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
Gotcha. This site could be so much better with a few simple updates. Is it new or just lack of dev support? Either way, I'm sure it'll get those updates in the future because they are a no brainer.
This is V2, but the guy who runs it is basically learning as he goes. You can send ideas/requests to him via twitter

He's really responsive and open
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post 1637909313 05-06-2021, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
RKT - lol, I didn't get out. oof.
I should've just sold naked calls. But get this chit...

So going into all of this I had 5/7 $24cc and $25cc, that as of this morning were $.02.
I opened a set of 5/7 $21cc, and 5/14 $21cc

the 24 and 25 cc's were 100% going to be worthless, and STRONG chance that the 21cc would be as well, so really just leaving the 5/14 in play which is covered by my leaps.

I get a call from TDA saying I'm in breach of blah blah blah because of concentrated exposure. I said "look, 99% chance all of the 5/7 short positions will expire worthless tomorrow..." before I could even finish the ******* goes "YOU DONT HAVE UNTIL TOMORROW!" I closed the $24/$25 and then went on to the 5/7 $21, and he piped in "you only need to close 70 (out of 200)" but I replied "all or nothing man. I thought portfolio margin was based around risk assessment through likelihood of strikes being met. If your system thinks we will see an 8% increase by tomorrow, I got some bad news." He just repeated the same chit he said at the beginning lol.

Going to keep selling calls at or above $.25 premiums on weeklies (whatever the strike is, and if it looks like it will hit, then I will just roll). Going to require a lot of management, but this could be very lucrative.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
^^ cant imagine anyone being that rude at TDA
I straight up told the guy "I'm just looking for clarification, not sure why you're coming at me so hot." He said "It was not my intention to come off as rude or aggressive, and I apologize for that." I think he was just an autist and not good at communicating with others lol.

Damn it, I just looked at one of the orders he had me close, 5/7 $21cc @ $.1, closed at $.09, but just looked at it... closed the day at $.03. That's over a thousand bucks he screwed me out of
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
I straight up told the guy "I'm just looking for clarification, not sure why you're coming at me so hot." He said "It was not my intention to come off as rude or aggressive, and I apologize for that." I think he was just an autist and not good at communicating with others lol.

Damn it, I just looked at one of the orders he had me close, 5/7 $21cc @ $.1, closed at $.09, but just looked at it... closed the day at $.03. That's over a thousand bucks he screwed me out of
Damn, you dealt with a dick. I've talked to TDA multiple times and they're all so fukin nice. Last time I was getting margin called I hit them up to extend it since I didn't wanna sell anything and he straight up told me not to worry about it, they won't liquidate anything unless it was a crazy big amount. I was only like $1,000 in the call so it was w/e, next day I was out when everything went back up.

Do you use margin by any chance? If so, you can ask them to lower your margin rate for ya, I'm sure you already know that. Same goes for option contracts.
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Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
Damn, you dealt with a dick. I've talked to TDA multiple times and they're all so fukin nice. Last time I was getting margin called I hit them up to extend it since I didn't wanna sell anything and he straight up told me not to worry about it, they won't liquidate anything unless it was a crazy big amount. I was only like $1,000 in the call so it was w/e, next day I was out when everything went back up.

Do you use margin by any chance? If so, you can ask them to lower your margin rate for ya, I'm sure you already know that. Same goes for option contracts.
Totally. I’ve dealt with them from general questions, margin questions, and tax questions. Everyone has been cool. This guy was just a potato.

I don’t use margin per se, but have portfolio margin. Thing is, all of those positions were going to expire worthless, but if it shot up for some reason they act like I’d be fukked. It would have to hit $25 by next Friday for me to be at a 100% loss. And like I wouldn’t be able to roll out or something. Whatever it t will just be a grind doing it week by week and not being able to front load a week ahead I guess
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Totally. I’ve dealt with them from general questions, margin questions, and tax questions. Everyone has been cool. This guy was just a potato.

I don’t use margin per se, but have portfolio margin. Thing is, all of those positions were going to expire worthless, but if it shot up for some reason they act like I’d be fukked. It would have to hit $25 by next Friday for me to be at a 100% loss. And like I wouldn’t be able to roll out or something. Whatever it t will just be a grind doing it week by week and not being able to front load a week ahead I guess
Ahhh I remember awhile back I heard Heaney mention something about portfolio margin as well but that was when I just started getting into investing so I didn't really know much. Btw, how much do you have to pay for each contract? I asked them to lower it and they're gonna get back to me with a cheaper fee.

My friend that got into MVIS and OCGN when they were in the dollar range just found his next big stock. $MARK. Gotta do some DD on it to see if I wanna yolo a 1 year+ hold. Just thought I'd mention it if someone wanted a yolo long term play lol
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Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
Ahhh I remember awhile back I heard Heaney mention something about portfolio margin as well but that was when I just started getting into investing so I didn't really know much. Btw, how much do you have to pay for each contract? I asked them to lower it and they're gonna get back to me with a cheaper fee.

My friend that got into MVIS and OCGN when they were in the dollar range just found his next big stock. $MARK. Gotta do some DD on it to see if I wanna yolo a 1 year+ hold. Just thought I'd mention it if someone wanted a yolo long term play lol
Portfolio margin is tits. And I could’ve gotten by with the exact same dollar amount and exposure IF it wasn’t concentrated on one stock. Oh well.

It’s $.65 per contact I believe?
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Portfolio margin is tits. And I could’ve gotten by with the exact same dollar amount and exposure IF it wasn’t concentrated on one stock. Oh well.

It’s $.65 per contact I believe?
Since you have large option activity email them through the website to lower the fee. Say you wanna get it down to like $.30. You most likely won't get that but you'll get a lower fee than $.65 for sure.
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Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
I sent you really good option information thru PM's.
I saw your message, Thank you very much. It feels like I understand it but theres some disconnect from understanding the concept and actually being able to apply it and I haven't been able to figure out why like I mentioned I understand the general concepts but I can't figure out how to actually use them I guess.

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Put in some $31 5/14 PLTR calls (YOLO) and even more $19 PLTR 5/14 puts yesterday. They both swinging hard cause think the market doesn't know what to do, but I am thinking the $19 puts are gonna be where its at after earnings.

Also put in quite a few GME $60 puts for 6/11. Tried to go lower, but couldn't find any for a good price. The irrational exuberance has to die at some point, right? Also fingers crossed for a some regulatory action.
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
Put in some $31 5/14 PLTR calls (YOLO) and even more $19 PLTR 5/14 puts yesterday. They both swinging hard cause think the market doesn't know what to do, but I am thinking the $19 puts are gonna be where its at after earnings.

Also put in quite a few GME $60 puts for 6/11. Tried to go lower, but couldn't find any for a good price. The irrational exuberance has to die at some point, right? Also fingers crossed for a some regulatory action.
Those PLTR yolo calls seem like suicide brah. I wish you luck.
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Originally Posted By RoyalRyy⏩
Those PLTR yolo calls seem like suicide brah. I wish you luck.
The $31 call was .03 and I only bought 100 Ks, so pretty cheap YOLO. I think the $19 put is realistic.
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
The $31 call was .03 and I only bought 100 Ks, so pretty cheap YOLO. I think the $19 put is realistic.
100 contracts?
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