We talking about a human here or a pet?

You can put pets down

Human beings don’t get the same right to end of life care

Legal arguments aside (e.g. if the person isn't in full control of their faculties yet still opts for euthanasia), I think a lot of it just has to do with retarded and antiquated standards for morality just like with the legalization of narcotics. It's just 'wrong' to kill people according to Western morality, even if that is what they choose. I see this as a massive overstep by government since, like Legz and DrugsToGetBig said, opting for euthanasia can preserve the last ounces of dignity for the elderly, and relieve them and their loved ones of the suffering that a slow death brings.

Another example of government overstepping their bounds, which I think is similar, is organ donation laws in certain countries that are opt-out by default.

Can you expand on this point?

Organ donation opt out seems far more societally benign

The youth in Asia are always starting fights and shiet, if they become legal theres going to be big problems

Whoops, mean opt-out. You're right. I'll change my original post. Now that it's cleared up, I think you see where I was going.

because religion

You do have the right, and nobody can stop you.


People just don't have the right to assist you in doing so.

I'm split on this. On one hand, I don't think people should be made to stay alive if they want to die, especially if they are ill beyond hope. They should be allowed to end their lives on their own terms. But suicide in general should not be allowed (lol I know) because it opens up the possibility for people to amass big debts, avoid responsibility for children, do heinous crimes without suffering punishment etc. Of course anyone can kill themselves, easily. But I think if we made the drugs readily available for anyone and everyone, it would encourage some of the examples I've given to a certain degree.

because u go 2 hell if u kill self.

human

I feel like life is sometimes overvalued and death unfairly demonized. There are a lot of things I can imagine which are worse than death. If I ever got in a tragic accident and became paraplegic then I'd definitely want to go down the assisted suicide route.

I think everyone can agree that since we all have a right to life, it basically means we also have a right to our own death.

The issue with assisted suicide as I see it, is a combination of multiple areas of grey. No one will argue that the guy on his deathbed NEEDS to die naturally. And maybe we could agree that a perfectly healthy individual who is of sound mind, also has a right to end their own life. (Although A-Game makes some great points about how a 'healthy' individual might abuse this).

I think the concern boils down to the fact that after death, there's nothing more to be said about that persons motivations or frame of mind beforehand. Which means that any time this system is abused (which it absolutely would be), we would never be certain how/or why, there would only be speculation that it was. I.e. did he REALLY want to die? or did his family just convince him they'd be better off without him? This is a bad example, but I think a lot of the same arguments for the death penalty are applicable here. Death is forever, and if someone really wants to die, no one can stop them. But to assist someone with death? By losing the only mind capable of articulating an honest 'why,' there are only strong critiques left of the consequences. So as soon as it becomes legal, in no time you have a handful of cases with many ambiguous issues, and it needs to be stopped.

Short answer: you can't legislate death. Every man has to take their life in their own hands if they truly want to end it.

Don't see a problem with any of those scenarios.

This they can continue making money off of you until your dead

I am going to provide some push back on this because 60 plus years of cultural marxism has made men and society nihilistic and materialistic. I come on this board every day and see the same things written over and over again, what is the point of life, help i am depressed, why does life suck, why am i not happy. In times when life was harder, sh*ttier and poorer we never ever gave up or thought like this, now we lack the resilience our forefathers had because we have been brainwashed to think working 60plus hour weeks in an office will make us content or that buying the latest Jordans will make us happy. Or worse, when things get tough someone else will fix our problem.

Life is sacred and this is one of the great things about organized religion that made western civilization great. It made human life sacred, for the first time since civilization. Plebs like us have been ruled since the dawn of time by kings, knights, landowners. Along comes religion telling us were aren't commodities owned by men, country or king. That life is special, we are special and that life and the life of others is not ours to take.

The problem with makimg it legal is like everything, the altruistic ideals get overtaken and morphed into something that was never it's intent.

Abortion was to keep woman 'safe'. Now woman have convinced themselves that killing their unborn child is no big deal and is used a a form of birth control.
Divorce was meant to 'help' children, but we know now that it psychologically scars them and destroys the family unit.

We aren't commodities boyos, we are not pets. Pets are commodities kept around for our amusement or for work purposes, when they are of no use we get rid of them. Human life has more intrinsic value than any other animal on this planet. We are not slaves that once we are pass our used by date we are discarded, has no-one heard of palliative care, pain management etc..

Another thing is do you really want the Government involved in killing the terminally ill?

Low IQ post. Organized religion used to control everything in western civilization and it was called the dark ages. And LOL if you think the Pope was any different than kings/knights/landowners. They didn't care about souls - only power and money. The west is great in spite of religion, not because of it.

it's actually available to anyone anywhere....just a little bit more messy.

The kings and knights of the European Middle Age were all Christians, and they still abused the fuk out of peasants. Colonialists, explorers and invaders of all kinds also committed tremendous atrocities under the guise of bringing civilization, God, and salvation to 'savages' (incl. other white people) the world over. Religion, like anything else, can be abused by those in power for personal gain and absolute control.

I just think that in this secular age, religious doctrine shouldn't prevent certain laws from being created/enacted. I believe they should have some influence, but that's where I draw the line. If, according to modern science, things like euthanasia are deemed safe and practical, that just seems to make more sense than prolonging people's suffering in the name of a religion they probably don't even adhere to. I don't think that most people in, say, the US predominantly subscribe to one religion, or are even pious at that. So ruling according to religious law just doesn't seem fair or practical to me, especially in pluralistic societies. (What if Catholics oppose euthanasia, whereas a progressive sect of Protestants doesn't? Whose religion should the law defer to?)

Gonna have to agree with these brahs. No physician should be “forced” to kill, even if it is what the patient desires. It’s too much of a psychological burden. Look at what soldiers with PTSD deal with.

Murder is murder. If the patient wants to die, they can do it to themselves.

Interested in the bolded part. Good point; didn't consider it...
Have you ever had to take someone off life support, and if so, did you feel any guilt/shame/profound sadness/etc. after doing that? Do you think doctors eventually get used to it?

brb want to kill myself
brb not allowed
brb throw myself off building anyway and make it someone elses problem

No, I haven’t had to. I see life support as a slightly different scenario. Without the machine, the patient wouldn’t be alive (…duh). With euthanasia, you’re taking the life of a self sufficient human being who simply doesn’t want to live anymore.

Both aren’t ideal situations, but I see the latter one as being much worse.

People will misuse it to kill wealthy parents

Yeah 7947 Damn... whatever guess it’s reversed now but still man. Dunno who’s fault that was rabbit or the reasoning behind it

OP donate your body to an incel first if you plan on doing it

There are increasing numbers of physicians who are euthanasia advocates, particularly those who have experience of offering end of life and terminal illness care. Life should not be forced at all costs. Some people no longer wish to fight.

The Royal College of Physicians adopted a neutral stance to euthanasia in 2019 while recognising that the decision rests with the government, only a quarter of physicians expressed a willingness to assist though.Ending life support is different criteria and physicians should have professional detachment to safeguard themselves

Physician assisted suicide in the US has strict requirements around it. You have to be terminally ill and your life expectancy has to be 6 months or less (for those who think it automatically opens up the floodgates for the average Joe Schmo to obtain the drug as they please). You also have to be of sound mind and if I remember correctly, administer the drug yourself. I remember this discussion back in my college days in 2013/2014 when only ~3 states legalized it, but looks like it's now 9 states. Very unfortunate that you have to uproot your life and spend your last days elsewhere, but I'm glad that our country has made fairly significant progress on legalizing it.

I urge you all to write a living will and make your own end of life decisions as well, especially if you've never discussed it with your family members and don't know the decisions they will make (this also takes the burden off of them). This isn't just for the old, even the younger folks should write a living will - life truly is fragile and you never know what the future will bring. We live in a very censored world and the thought of death is so taboo that no one wants to talk/plan for end of life. When my living will was created, it felt super weird to discuss end of life treatments, but focusing on quality of life helped with my decision making immensely. I don't plan on dying anytime soon (knock on wood) but already have life insurance as well just in case chit hits the fan (it's super cheap since I'm young and pretty healthy). The idea of burdening my family in any way after death makes me cringe, even though I have more than enough assets to cover outstanding debt/funeral costs.

This i am all for it if it.

I think a person should have a say when they go and die peacefully instead of go through hell to die. We dont make pets suffer but yet we have no problem letting people suffer.I don't know why you are even bringing up the second point. The whole point of this thread is suicide assistance for people that are gravely or terminally ill. We are not talking about suicide assistance for people that are perfectly fine but just depressed and want to kill themselves. I would not support that either as there are ways you can treat depression.

Actually Dignitas in Switzerland also allows for non terminal and mental issues. With strong checks in place

I feel that’s valid. How many years would we consign a human to abject despair if they are getting no relief

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dign..._organisation)