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07-26-2021, 03:50 PM

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till i bought my recent sig i was only ever aware of the weaver stance. which of the two do you prefer?

scenarios now come to mind where i can see the other being appropriate but from an offensive posture . can someone give me a good example of how the weaver stance is inferior ?

(note- i would have named the other stance but i cant remember what its called so just left it blank)

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07-26-2021, 03:51 PM

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Center axis relock

It's always funny to see people that take like a PERFECT stance on a shooting range and think that they are ready. You should be able to move, shoot from awkward positions, bring your gun in closer if you are in a closed space like a home, etc.

Would kick em in the nuts

07-26-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩

Center axis relock

It's always funny to see people that take like a PERFECT stance on a shooting range and think that they are ready. You should be able to move, shoot from awkward positions, bring your gun in closer if you are in a closed space like a home, etc.

that is what i meant, screw the range, i meant in an everyday life scenario. the range is only good for so much

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07-26-2021, 03:55 PM

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After you get down safety/drawing/not sweeping people take a "tactical" / advanced class where you move.
I am in a commie state and plenty of options here.
Stance shooting paper in a lane is only so useful

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07-26-2021, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted By helpmee⏩

After you get down safety/drawing/not sweeping people take a "tactical" / advanced class where you move.
I am in a commie state and plenty of options here.
Stance shooting paper in a lane is only so useful

uh huh

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07-26-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

uh huh

My home defense choice is an AK.
A Russian group travels the country teaching the class
Hardest class I have taken but learned to be pretty functional

I have taken handgun courses (sig) as well.

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07-26-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

that is what i meant, screw the range, i meant in an everyday life scenario. the range is only good for so much

Yeah. It seems like CAR feels so much more natural your hands naturally want to tilt like that.

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07-26-2021, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩

Yeah. It seems like CAR feels so much more natural your hands naturally want to tilt like that.

im not qualified to even say bro

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07-26-2021, 04:23 PM

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I've shot more isosceles in the last few years, sometimes with my head forward sometimes upright.

I'm not convinced it matters much. I've seen so many great shooters use a variety of stances. I mainly use it because it's very comfortable and makes swapping targets a breeze. The cue to bring the sights to your eyes is nice too.

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07-26-2021, 04:27 PM

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Weaver is most comfortable for me being cross eye dominant

07-26-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩

I've shot more isosceles in the last few years, sometimes with my head forward sometimes upright.

I'm not convinced it matters much. I've seen so many great shooters use a variety of stances. I mainly use it because it's very comfortable and makes swapping targets a breeze. The cue to bring the sights to your eyes is nice too.

after so long do you even need that? its not text book thats for sure

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07-26-2021, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩

I've shot more isosceles in the last few years, sometimes with my head forward sometimes upright.

I'm not convinced it matters much.

This. You want to pick one foundational position that feels natural and that you can default to. But the odds are that in a critical situation, you won't have time to settle into it anyway.

Shooting IDPA & USPSA really opens your eyes to how little stance matters to a proficient pistol shooter, and how little you think about it when you're trying to move and put shots on target.

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07-26-2021, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩

I've shot more isosceles in the last few years, sometimes with my head forward sometimes upright.

I'm not convinced it matters much. I've seen so many great shooters use a variety of stances. I mainly use it because it's very comfortable and makes swapping targets a breeze. The cue to bring the sights to your eyes is nice too.

All of this. It is way more important that you use the correct eye.

07-26-2021, 05:11 PM

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Most of the guys here have given solid advice already. It's not so much sticking to a specific stance, it's consistent mechanical movement. Shooting stances are taught to create a baseline or instill fundamentals. Train on dynamic stances while emphasizing consistent point of contact with the firearm, and you get better from there.

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07-26-2021, 05:25 PM

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iso if you have plates; weaver if you want your heart and both lungs punctured in one shot

07-26-2021, 06:02 PM

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Try both. See which feels more natural. Both have their pro's and cons. I use whatever feels right at the time/kind of a hybrid. The idea that one is completely superior to the other is flawed.

Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩

This. You want to pick one foundational position that feels natural and that you can default to. But the odds are that in a critical situation, you won't have time to settle into it anyway.

Shooting IDPA & USPSA really opens your eyes to how little stance matters to a proficient pistol shooter, and how little you think about it when you're trying to move and put shots on target.

Yeah funny to see guys shooting off balance, sometimes with the trailing feet only having toes on the ground. Leaning over, etc.

Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩

iso if you have plates; weaver if you want your heart and both lungs punctured in one shot

The weaver stance isn't that pronounced and is closer to what you'd use with a rifle anyways.

07-26-2021, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted By guest89⏩

Try both. See which feels more natural. Both have their pro's and cons. I use whatever feels right at the time/kind of a hybrid. The idea that one is completely superior to the other is flawed.

Yeah funny to see guys shooting off balance, sometimes with the trailing feet only having toes on the ground. Leaning over, etc.

The weaver stance isn't that pronounced and is closer to what you'd use with a rifle anyways.

closer to what you would use with a rifle? you are going to go with an offensive with what? what you said makes little sense to me, count it up to my stupidity i guess

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07-26-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩

I've shot more isosceles in the last few years, sometimes with my head forward sometimes upright.

I'm not convinced it matters much. I've seen so many great shooters use a variety of stances. I mainly use it because it's very comfortable and makes swapping targets a breeze. The cue to bring the sights to your eyes is nice too.

weaver for my semi but for shooting revolvers anything other than isosceles feels weird

07-26-2021, 06:20 PM

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07-26-2021, 06:20 PM

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The Weaver stance is for Fudds and communists and corny people.

Isosceles is what those who know WTF they're doing do. Nobody who's anybody in the shooting world or professional training does Weaver stance anymore.

but if you've trained many times using Weaver over many years and aren't going to put in the work to train differently, then by all means keep using Weaver instead of screwing up trying something new when the SHTF.

07-26-2021, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

after so long do you even need that? its not text book thats for sure

Need what, the cue? I mean you should always bring the sights to your eyes, rather than the reverse. I guess the exception is when you have a forward posture, I've seen plenty of guys do that, I think it's usually when they're trying really hard to stay tight and fast.

Another tip is to practice with both eyes open. Dat dere peripheral vision & situational awareness.

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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩

This. You want to pick one foundational position that feels natural and that you can default to. But the odds are that in a critical situation, you won't have time to settle into it anyway.

This. In a 100% controlled environment, aka simple straight line shooting range, I'd default to what feels natural. In real life, you might be reacting to someone inches away from you, maybe you're behind a wall, the wedge of a car door, a trunk, a hood, a tree stump, fire hydrant, etc.

You can learn the basics, but in shooting, if you put too much thought into certain aspects, you might miss and might get hurt soon after. A good example is point shooting. Close quarters, no aiming, just "feel" the shot and feel it VERY quickly. Stance under time and pressure is the same, IMO.