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post 1644295733 08-05-2021, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
You have Florida breaking their hospitalizations record
Last year, with nobody vaccinated, they set a record on 7/23

This year, with 50% fully vaccinated and 60% having at least one shot, they break their hospitalization record
Vaccine is supposed to prevent severe illness , right?
Even if the vaccine is 80% effective, which phizer claims, you have 80% of 60% = 48% of the population removed from severe illness
But the record is broken anyways

You could make the argument that the vaccine is statistically ineffective
Pay no attention to those goal posts that are moving, nothing to see here!
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
The over 50 stats are there too, but I thought we didn’t care about old people cos they are worthless anyway

Anybody can catch Covid

Breakthrough cases among fully vaccinated are rare
Hospitalisation cases among this rare group are lower
Once hospitalised based on the smaller numbers of course you get larger percentages

Cos that’s how denominators work

Please stop trying to prove how little you understand, it’s a touch embarrassing
Are you aware that the USA considers someone that got just 1 of the 2 jabs as unvaccinated?
Are you aware that phizer claims a single jab is 80%+ effective

Europe breaks out non vaccinated, 1 jab and 2 jab
The USA groups them as unvax vs 2 jab

And you got nothing on the statistics right?
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
Are you aware that the USA considers someone that got just 1 of the 2 jabs as unvaccinated?
Are you aware that phizer claims a single jab is 80%+ effective

Europe breaks out non vaccinated, 1 jab and 2 jab
The USA groups them as unvax vs 2 jab

And you got nothing on the statistics right?
Keep feeling embarrassed for me
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Having a flat ass and having a beta cuck husband that allows you to spend hours a day posting on a gay dying Indian BB forum, these are things to be embarrassed about

You 5x10? You ain't got nothin to be 'barrassed about homie (No homo)
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
How many times do these data sets (or any of the UK briefings for that matter) need to be explained? No, these data do not suggest that Delta is less severe. No, pathogens do not always evolve to be less severe. The mutations that increased Delta’s fitness made it more exploitative in the host, not less.
lol, how many times are you going to post this tired bull****?
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Having a flat ass and having a beta cuck husband that allows you to spend hours a day posting on a gay dying Indian BB forum, these are things to be embarrassed about

You 5x10? You ain't got nothin to be 'barrassed about homie (No homo)
LOL, so wouldn’t it be weirder for a guy who pretends to be straight to be on a “gay dying Indian BB forum” than a female, maybe I’m a Hindustani ph@g-hag?
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Originally Posted By N0rds⏩
I mean by default virus mutations make them far less deadly.
People seem to be forgetting that viruses mutate randomly and it’s usually not more deadly. If the thing kills off more people it has less hosts and will die off. Viruses want as many hosts as possible not killing everyone the second it infects someone.

But with all of the screeching you see in the news and on social media you’d think that the virus is going to mutate within 3 hours to something so deadly the entire world will be dead by Sunday. God people are stupid as hell.
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I really don't care about the kung-flu. If you want to get jabbed, do so, if not that's great too. This variant is less harsh than the original. How about we discuss the reasons why people are hospitalized and having issues.

It has NOTHING to do with vaccines. It has to do with open borders and unhealthy lifestyles.

How many older people smoked when they were younger? Especially in Europe and Canada? You're naive if you believe the damage is all healed in your lungs.

In a study of habits during the lockdown in the US, 40% of people surveyed gained an average of 29 lbs! Living unhealthy diets, not eating correctly and drinking to excess inhibits the liver and kidneys from filtering out toxins and hurting your immune systems.

Gaps in care. People blew off doctors and dentist visits and didn't get their annual physicals. Issues that are minor and not addressed turn to major.

Gyms being closed and people not exercising. See weight gain on 29 lb. average.

Masks don't prevent. Good habits do.
It's about healthy habits.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
LOL, so wouldn’t it be weirder for a guy who pretends to be straight to be on a “gay dying Indian BB forum” than a female, maybe I’m a Hindustani ph@g-hag?
I don't even know what that is
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Thank you for sharing OP!
It does indeed seem that for the over 50 being unvaccinated is much better than being vaccinated in terms of needing emergency care, hospitalization. Right now the only decent, half believable data regarding covid is coming from Israel and the UK, all other countries cannot be trusted with anything they say. So you will not hear any of this on the evening news.
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Originally Posted By N0rds⏩
I mean by default virus mutations make them far less deadly.
look another completely retarded comment by nords
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Couldn't this just be attributed to the fact that vaccination is highly weighted toward the elderly? So even with vaccination, they're still going to die at a significantly higher rate?
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Couldn't this just be attributed to the fact that vaccination is highly weighted toward the elderly? So even with vaccination, they're still going to die at a significantly higher rate?
But we did all this to save grandma when she's just gonna die anyway...
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Originally Posted By AlBHappy⏩
Masks don't prevent. Good habits do.
It's about healthy habits.
Yep masks are BS which is when Influenza,Pneumonia,Lower respitory deaths virtually unchanged from 2018 2019.

It's absurd that no one talks about how big of an impact being "healthy" has on your survivability. Being a healthy weight is better than being obese and vaccinated.
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
look another completely retarded comment by nords
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
You have Florida breaking their hospitalizations record
Last year, with nobody vaccinated, they set a record on 7/23

This year, with 50% fully vaccinated and 60% having at least one shot, they break their hospitalization record
Vaccine is supposed to prevent severe illness , right?
Even if the vaccine is 80% effective, which phizer claims, you have 80% of 60% = 48% of the population removed from severe illness
But the record is broken anyways

You could make the argument that the vaccine is statistically ineffective
Instead I think they are trying to go the route that the Delta variant "may" be more "dangerous". That narrative has plenty of holes in it considering the death rate though. I cannot argue whether it is more contagious or not and I will even agree that it is. It can't be accepted that this may just be a more contagious, but less dangerous variant as it doesn't instill fear.
What are you on about mate?
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Originally Posted By OrdoAbchao⏩
Instead I think they are trying to go the route that the Delta variant "may" be more "dangerous". That narrative has plenty of holes in it considering the death rate though. I cannot argue whether it is more contagious or not and I will even agree that it is. It can't be accepted that this may just be a more contagious, but less dangerous variant as it doesn't instill fear.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
you have to think about this as well.

CDC came out saying that the delta "was as transmissible as chicken pox". This makes CFR even more useless. I think there were studies at least in 2020 where the actual number of infections was likely to be 5-10x more than what was being reported. So with delta being more transmissible, what is that number? like 15, 20x more? If this is the case then more hospitalizations is simply a function of more people getting infected. And the actual IFR being lower than that of the alpha variant.
This has to be the case. I don't know anybody in my workplace who has been tested recently since March. Last year we had literally half a dozen guys out every single day awaiting test results, only one positive in that group the entire year. Nobody (figuratively) is being tested now. Deaths on the rise, but very slowly. I imagine if testing was as robust as last year (even though that was a fiasco) we'd see a huge case spike and tiny death bump making this variant not near as scary as the "regular" coof.
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Couldn't this just be attributed to the fact that vaccination is highly weighted toward the elderly? So even with vaccination, they're still going to die at a significantly higher rate?
This is why they are trying their hardest to push children to get vaccinated. Vaxxing the elderly is not enough since the vax doesn't work 100%. Basic vaccine fact-gotta vaccinate everyone (or at least 95%) to protect the most fragile. These seems futile however with the amount of breakthrough cases, even if 95% of people were vaccinated, will herd immunity happen? The Massachusetts outbreak seems to break that narrative to pieces.

I think Fauci and Co are simply CYAing and have an easy scapegoat in antivaxxers and simply want to avoid the hard fact that this disease simply has to run its course. Pharma is on board because they have contracts. We're fukt for the time being either vaxxing or being excluded from society. Hopefully this chit just morphs into an actual cold and will blow over.
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Now they're talking up the Lambda/Lombda variant... and a "Doomsday" variant that could be vaccine resistant -- where does this end? Obviously virus mutate as people get vaccinated, but I question if the media itself is only making this more worse.

There are conflicting reports on how contagious / how deadly the variant is, but if this particular report says that it's less deadly than the original strain.

Then there's another report that's been making the rounds on MSM (and websites) stating that vaccinated people are more susceptible to getting it;

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2OD2CJ

But that's been debatable too...
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Originally Posted By thadderbox⏩
Now they're talking up the Lambda/Lombda variant... and a "Doomsday" variant that could be vaccine resistant -- where does this end? Obviously virus mutate as people get vaccinated, but I question if the media itself is only making this more worse.

There are conflicting reports on how contagious / how deadly the variant is, but if this particular report says that it's less deadly than the original strain.

Then there's another report that's been making the rounds on MSM (and websites) stating that vaccinated people are more susceptible to getting it;

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2OD2CJ

But that's been debatable too...
I'm loving this quote from that fact checking article.

“When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated,” she added.
What are you on about mate?
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Panicells btfo

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_18.pdf

This is a pdf showing the mortality rate for unvaccinated with the delta variant is 10 times lower than the covid of last year.

This data includes elderly and people at significant risk.

The data also indicates that the vaccinated are less likely to get the disease but more likely to die from it if they do.
thats because 90% of old folks are vaccinated

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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
Nice, delta variant is substantially less lethal than last years
no delta is same as original or more lethal, defo not less. but delta is spreading among zoomers
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Originally Posted By OrdoAbchao⏩
I'm loving this quote from that fact checking article.

“When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated,” she added.
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ⏩
thats because 90% of old folks are vaccinated

delta is spreading among zoomer ****kids
How many zoomers are dying from it?
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ⏩
nodelta is same as original or more lethal,defo not less. but delta is spreading among zoomers
All the data says otherwise.

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Originally Posted By pondus_levo⏩
All the data says otherwise.

But your feelings!
Evolutionary biology says you are right. If the host dies the virus dies with it, but a host that is alive and about can infect others and make lots of new viruses. The biological purpose of any living thing is to make more of itself, therefore the viruses that kill less get to make more of themselves. Hence new diseases that start very deadly become less deadly with time.

But I guess that's too much science for someone who says "follow the science."
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Originally Posted By chaunce54⏩
lol, how many times are you going to post this tired bull****?
Until the day you can interpret a table with a few numbers
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ⏩
Pretty much in line with saying that if 100% of the population was forced into vaccination that ALL of the deaths would be from vaccinated individuals. Or I could flip it and say NONE of the deaths were from unvaccinated individuals.
What are you on about mate?
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Originally Posted By sy2502⏩
Evolutionary biology says you are right. If the host dies the virus dies with it, but a host that is alive and about can infect others and make lots of new viruses. The biological purpose of any living thing is to make more of itself, therefore the viruses that kill less get to make more of themselves. Hence new diseases that start very deadly become less deadly with time.

But I guess that's too much science for someone who says "follow the science."
Both theoretically and empirically wrong.

There are examples of pathogens that have been circulating and evolving in humans for centuries to millennia that maintain high virulence. There are also instances of highly virulent variants arising, circulating, and out competing more benign competitors. You’re making the fundamental mistake of thinking evolution is a species level selection event. It is a competition between individuals. Harming the host can be an unavoidable cost of extracting resources, and if that resource extraction provides a propagation benefit, it can offset and outweigh the cost of mortality (limiting total transmission time.) Pathogens evolve in the context of tradeoffs between exploiting the current host and making it to the next. The shape of the tradeoff curve is a partly a function of how dependent a pathogen is on a mobile, healthy host for transmission.
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