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post 1644344873 08-05-2021, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted By EDcellent
Honestly I'm in the "why bother?" boat. My age group according to the CDC has about a .5% death rate. I'm also curious just how many of those people who died had preexisting conditions.

I'm looking at it in two ways. I take the shot, I potentially get sick or flu like symptoms for 1-2 days, and then I feel better and my body is able to fend off covid strains (probably a negligible difference in my age group with no preexisting conditions). So I get sick and lose some personal time from work. Best case scenario. Worst case scenario, I get side affects or unknown long term issues.

If I was 50+, I'd get the vaccine. The risks jump much higher from covid. However for my age, I can't be bothered to take time off work to get a shot that barely makes a difference in my survival rate percentage.
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Originally Posted By katya422
There are two different issues here.

- skepticism or concern about the effectiveness and long term safety of the vaccines
- anxiety about government and corporate vaccine mandates and the precedent that said mandates create

A lot of people who don't want the vaccine already have had the virus. So I wouldn't call it fear of the vaccine exactly, just being conservative re:medical intervention that we have no long term data for.

IIRC Phase 3 trials are usually about 2 years to monitor for things like ADE. It has been less than 1 year so far for this Phase 3 trial [aka EUA].
I wish someone who is actually intelligent could answer me how someone who had covid needs an mRNA vaccine.

My understanding is if you have covid, your body has an immune response and creates antibodies to fight off covid.
An mRNA vaccine for covid puts particles of the covid virus in you so your body has an immune response and creates antibodies to fight off covid.

I dont understand where I am missing why that would be advantageous or at all of additional benefit to someone who had covid?
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
I wish someone who is actually intelligent could answer me how someone who had covid needs an mRNA vaccine.

My understanding is if you have covid, your body has an immune response and creates antibodies to fight off covid.
An mRNA vaccine for covid puts particles of the covid virus in you so your body has an immune response and creates antibodies to fight off covid.

I dont understand where I am missing why that would be advantageous or at all of additional benefit to someone who had covid?
It’s simply because “they” don’t know how long immunity from having had the virus lasts. The data up to now suggests that immunity from the vaccine will last longer and be more effective.

I don’t think they know the reason why yet.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
I wish someone who is actually intelligent could answer me how someone who had covid needs an mRNA vaccine.

My understanding is if you have covid, your body has an immune response and creates antibodies to fight off covid.
An mRNA vaccine for covid puts particles of the covid virus in you so your body has an immune response and creates antibodies to fight off covid.

I dont understand where I am missing why that would be advantageous or at all of additional benefit to someone who had covid?
Post-covid immunity > mRNA
https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/...nce/index.html

This was known early 2020, but claims of misinformation, censorship, and lock downs were prioritized over basic scientific understanding of viruses.
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The data up to now suggests that immunity from the vaccine will last longer and be more effective.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish
so the FDA has reached the point where they are attempting to rapidly approve an experimental drug in order that it gets used as much as possible

that fukken insane to anyone else?
If it's approved suddenly all the deaths, injury, and dismemberment are justified. Inb4 the usual cucks defend it.
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Originally Posted By navid93
It’s simply because “they” don’t know how long immunity from having had the virus lasts. The data up to now suggests that immunity from the vaccine will last longer and be more effective.

I don’t think they know the reason why yet.
theres way too many variables to come up with that kind of data without a reason. If you track people specifically who had covid and then got covid again, theres too many variables as to how they contracted it the 2nd time like lifestyle, age, weight, health conditions, geographical region, how many instances of covid in the area, wealth status, etc.... you cant take vaccinated and unvaccinated covid positive people and compare who gets covid the 2nd time earlier, it just is bad science.


Honesty if they are going to make claims like that and not say why when it makes no logical sense if you have an understanding of how an mRNA vaccine for covid works and how a persons basic biological response to a viral infection is, they NEED to say why otherwise it is just lies and propaganda. You can't just make a claim "well based on our data it appears blahblahblah" theres SO many ways that data can be made up or skewed IDGAF what they say I want logical scientific answers before i believe your nonsense.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
Edit: I retract what I said above, it WOULDN'T surprise me if they didn't approve it. They've already threatened lockdowns and asked for vaccinated people to put their masks back on, seems like they have zero fear of the public backlash/response tbh.
Originally Posted By al****orilla
It would hilarious if they don’t approve it. So I can smug on every VaxCuck pushing this
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it. Pfizer et al are raking in billions and will continue to do so with vaccines being forced and potential booster shots. I find it hard to believe they would leave FDA approval up to chance. Lobbyists have their claws sunk in deep.
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Originally Posted By katya422
B seems most obvious, but they can sell the shots everywhere, right? Not just in the US? I think I read that here it is $12 a shot being paid to Pfizer. I would think that even poor countries could scratch up $24 + cost of staff and transport to vax their most vulnerable if they want.

Dropped a video in another thread:

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180459973

The higher effectiveness of "waves of terror" to get a population to embrace totalitarianism stood out to me. Says that if you put people into a state of high anxiety, then give them a little break with a calm period, then crank them back into anxiety again you break them more quickly.
Lol fk I knew one of you wingnuts would read into that "waves of terror" argument. Here we go.

Explain how booster shots lead to totalitarianism.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Friendly reminder not engage with one of the obvious wincel alts.
I'm not a wincel alt you puerile troglodyte.


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The thing about alts are, if you don't regularly use them until your main gets banned, makes it painfully obvious.
You sure about this?
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Originally Posted By SultanofBling
Lol fk I knew one of you wingnuts would read into that "waves of terror" argument. Here we go.

Explain how booster shots lead to totalitarianism.
its not a bad fukking start by turning a whole country against eachother by labeling two groups as vaccinated and unvaccinated

i mean objectively this whole country is divided right now, families are literally breaking apart because some vaccinated family members are completely shunning unvaccinated family members from their family, all because of a flu like/cold like virus depending on the variant. And not even them having the virus, just them not having some half assed slapped together pseudo booster shot
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This is a seriously loose definition of waves of terror.

Previous waves of terror.

1.) French Revolution
By then, 16,594 official death sentenceshad been dispensed throughout France since June 1793, of which 2,639 were in Paris alone;[2][5] and an additional 10,000 died in prison, without trial, or under both of these circumstances

Stalin's Great Terror
Historians estimate the total number of deaths due to Stalinist repression in 1937–38 to be between 950,000 and 1.2 million


Notice the bodies. The media, the government telling you to get a vaccine is not equivalent to either of these events.
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Don't even engage wincel, it's not worth it.
lmao man I dunno what to tell ya
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Originally Posted By _zman
Post-covid immunity > mRNA
https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/...nce/index.html

This was known early 2020, but claims of misinformation, censorship, and lock downs were prioritized over basic scientific understanding of viruses.

No.
Repped. IMO it is a lie. Why are they lying about it?

From an article in Nature that I posted earlier today:
Six months after the second shot, nearly all of the 35 participants had ‘neutralizing’ antibodies, which block the virus from infecting cells, the researchers reported in a preprint published on 5 July1. Participants’ blood also contained an armada of different T cells, both ‘killer’ cells that can destroy infected cells and a variety of ‘helper’ cells that aid in general immune defence.

Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

Levels of both antibodies and T cells were comparable to those found in people who have recovered from COVID-19.

“It is quite remarkable — and quite promising — that you can easily detect responses for that long a time,” says Daniela Weiskopf, an immunologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) in California and a co-author of the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed.
They were happy to find that the vaccine [Moderna] showed the same level of immune response as having had the virus.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01893-0
Originally Posted By SultanofBling
Lol fk I knew one of you wingnuts would read into that "waves of terror" argument. Here we go.

Explain how booster shots lead to totalitarianism.
Originally Posted By Anachron
Friendly reminder not engage with one of the obvious wincel alts.
Thanks.

But I can't help but point out that this is a strange leap in logic based on the quoted post.

Also SoB I'm pretty sure you linked the video yourself in another thread today.





Flip flopping between period of calm and chaos [intentional or not].



It really is worth watching.
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Originally Posted By SultanofBling
Notice the bodies. The media, the government telling you to get a vaccine is not equivalent to either of these events.



lmao man I dunno what to tell ya
you're right, the media has been completely silent about body counts/death counts and talking about the bodies just piling up


also the waves of terror isnt about the vaccine dumbass the waves of terror are talking about the spiking of the covid virus itself. The news media and politicians are creating waves of terror periodically by making it seem like Covid is running rampant, then under control, then running rampant, then under control, each time tossing out more division and more hate amongst people and making the government seem like the good guys saving the day. The best way to always be the victor is to create a non existent enemy you are fighting. The only problem is the non existent enemy is being labeled as hard working American citizens who actually mean zero harm.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
its not a bad fukking start by turning a whole country against eachother by labeling two groups as vaccinated and unvaccinated

i mean objectively this whole country is divided right now, families are literally breaking apart because some vaccinated family members are completely shunning unvaccinated family members from their family, all because of a flu like/cold like virus depending on the variant. And not even them having the virus, just them not having some half assed slapped together pseudo booster shot
Yeah, about that.

From the same video:



Wonder who is being set up to play the part of the witches...
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Originally Posted By katya422
Yeah, about that.

From the same video:



Wonder who is being set up to play the part of the witches...
But are they actually killing you? Serious question.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
you're right, the media has been completely silent about body counts/death counts and talking about the bodies just piling up


also the waves of terror isnt about the vaccine dumbass the waves of terror are talking about the spiking of the covid virus itself. The news media and politicians are creating waves of terror periodically by making it seem like Covid is running rampant, then under control, then running rampant, then under control, each time tossing out more division and more hate amongst people and making the government seem like the good guys saving the day. The best way to always be the victor is to create a non existent enemy you are fighting. The only problem is the non existent enemy is being labeled as hard working American citizens who actually mean zero harm.
Ok I hear what you are saying. And do you agree that other countries around the world are also imposing lockdown orders?
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Friendly reminder not engage with one of the obvious wincel alts. It will only derail the thread and lead ultimately nowhere.
Literally no idea who u r bruv

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Originally Posted By SultanofBling
But are they actually killing you? Serious question.
It's allegorical. And I was more referring to the idea being pushed that -

"Everything will be fine and no one will get sick or die anymore if you all get your vaccinations like good little lambykins."

And the accompanying:

"This spike of cases and hospitalization wouldn't have happened if it weren't for people not getting their vaccination."
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Originally Posted By katya422
Yeah, about that.

From the same video:



Wonder who is being set up to play the part of the witches...
yeah but its okay this time because you have a choice. You can choose to take the vaccine, so anything that happens by you not choosing to do so is your fault.

That is literally the logic of these people. They dont at all see how that is abusive manipulation and coercion, they just see it as offering you a free choice of helping people or killing people.
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Originally Posted By katya422
It's allegorical. And I was more referring to the idea being pushed that -

"Everything will be fine and no one will get sick or die anymore if you all get your vaccinations like good little lambykins."

And the accompanying:

"This spike of cases and hospitalization wouldn't have happened if it weren't for people not getting their vaccination."
I think you've stretched your characterization of the two facts, being:

Vaccines will offer an individual protection from serious health consequences of C-19.

and

Spikes in cases and rates of hospitalization are more regularly associated with unvaccinated individuals.
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Better freeze your sperm now before they come door to door and force a vax on you.
Wont matter if the women develop antibodies to synticin-1
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Originally Posted By orangetide
Plenty of drugs are out for 5+ years before side effects and deaths are evident enough
Hence the LIMITLESS lawyer ads constantly suing big pharma for chit that was administered 10 years prior
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Originally Posted By SultanofBling
I think you've stretched your characterization of the two facts, being:

Vaccines will offer an individual protection from serious health consequences of C-19.

and

Spikes in cases and rates of hospitalization are more regularly associated with unvaccinated individuals.
I'm not the one who has been doing the stretching.

When I saw this clip it actually made me angry. Everyone dies Joe. Everyone.



Does he actually say that if you get vaccinated then everything will be okay? Maybe not. But that is still the tone of the message.

Do what Big Daddy says and you will be safe from harm.

F*ck you Joe.
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Originally Posted By katya422
I'm not the one who has been doing the stretching.

When I saw this clip it actually made me angry. Everyone dies Joe. Everyone.



Does he actually say that if you get vaccinated then everything will be okay? Maybe not. But that is still the tone of the message.

Do what Big Daddy says and you will be safe from harm.

F*ck you Joe.
U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham says he tested positive for COVID-19

"I am very glad I was vaccinated because without vaccination I am certain I would not feel as well as I do now. My symptoms would be far worse," Graham, 66, wrote on Twitter.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lin...19-2021-08-02/

So, Vaccines? Democrat push? Republican collab? Product of Bipartisan cabal of ****philes?

You space cadets gotta lay off the rock.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Ok, 70% of adults and 58% of everyone has gotten vaccinated.

What is the theory here?

a) they care and love us all, each and every life, and know in their hearts the vaccine is saving lives. That is why they are demanding everyone get it.

b) they are greedy fuks who do not give a chit about anyone, they see 42% of the population not getting it and want every dime. Plus, more when they mandate boosters.

c) they know the vaccine is dangerous and they want to make sure everyone gets it for <<insert nefarious reasoning here>>.
..... c-1) world domination
..... c-2) a mass human sacrifice to their dark Lord Moloch
..... c-3) they want to depopulate Earth down to a cozy 500 million
..... c-4) all of the above
the answer is B. Its beyond obvious at this point.
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Wife will probably be get fired for refusing the vaccine. She's a nurse and i'm about 99.99% sure all healthcare workers in America will be mandated to take the vaccine. I wish more people had the will to tell them to go ahead and fire me if need be. We're definitely in for some rough years ahead, but I aint taking the clot shot and neither is my wife.

Thank God we don't have children. Making the decision to tell them to f*ck off would be so much harder if we had mouths to feed. But here we go, our life is going to get turned upside down. We're ready for the struggle though. Stand for something, or fall for anything.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Pointed it out twice, won't point it out again.

Enjoy the thread being derailed by wincel.
When you're right. Doesn't even matter if it is or isn't wincel TBH.

Seems to be someone who believes that a government using psychological tactics and outright coercion on their own citizenry is okay and no cause for concern.
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Originally Posted By katya422
- political pressure on the FDA to approve the Pfizer vaccine quickly
- approved vaccine will open the door to more vaccine mandates
- WHO says the wrong people are being vaccinated [wealthy countries vs. oldest/sickest people]
Watch this video, this Physicians Assistant lays total smackdown against the incessantly lying WHO/CDC, sorcery companies:

"The reason we are being murdered with genetic altering drugs is its slow acting and it causes your body to malfunction and destroy itself so there is a "plausible deniability" factor. Unlike most poisons which leave more evidence of being the direct cause of death."

1,151+ pages of peoples accounts of Covid-19 vaccine damage:
https://vestibular.org/forum/dizziness/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
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Originally Posted By PermaBulk610
Wife will probably be get fired for refusing the vaccine. She's a nurse and i'm about 99.99% sure all healthcare workers in America will be mandated to take the vaccine. I wish more people had the will to tell them to go ahead and fire me if need be. We're definitely in for some rough years ahead, but I aint taking the clot shot and neither is my wife.

Thank God we don't have children. Making the decision to tell them to f*ck off would be so much harder if we had mouths to feed. But here we go, our life is going to get turned upside down. We're ready for the struggle though. Stand for something, or fall for anything.
Denmark managed to fight back. And if someone had not mentioned it in R&P I wouldn't know about it.

https://invesbrain.com/forced-vaccin...blic-protests/
A law in Denmark that would have given authorities the power to forcibly inject people with a coronavirus vaccine has been abandoned after nine days of public protests.

The ‘epidemic law’ would have handed the Danish government the power to enact mandatory quarantine measures against anyone infected with a dangerous disease, but it was the part about vaccinations that caused the biggest uproar.

“The Danish Health Authority would be able to define groups of people who must be vaccinated in order to contain and eliminate a dangerous disease,” reports the Local.

“People who refuse the above can – in some situations – be coerced through physical detainment, with police allowed to assist.”

However, after nine straight days of protests against the new law, it has now been scrapped.
The only way I see something like this even starting in the US would be to get buy in from already established groups, like churches, unions, or maybe gun clubs.
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Originally Posted By katya422
Denmark managed to fight back. And if someone had not mentioned it in R&P I wouldn't know about it.
I'm following all of this every day and I had no idea. Funny that.
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