You're idolising Japan. There's plenty of reasons why it sucks. Everywhere is great as a tourist, even Bali. There's a difference between the fat white foreigner banging underaged girls, and the local 18 year old dude with no certs, selling ice cream by the roadside for 20 cents a day.

The number one reason is work culture. You don't work hard, you work long. Its retarded, accomplishes nothing, and is just a waste of time and life. Enjoy going back on Sundays for 7 hours just to send a fax out, as your boss is there, and his boss is there, so all of you have to go in and jerk each other off.

Then there's Honne and Tatemae. If you don't know about this, you deserve to get fukked.

There's also the nail that sticks out gets hammered in culture. You think it'd be good to make SJWs toe the line, but you don't realise that it applies to wearing a navy blue suit when you should be wearing charcoal, and yes, you can lose your job over that. Good luck expressing yourself.

If you have any kids, they'll get bullied to hell. Their bullying is not American style locker shoving, but ostracisation, scrawling on their desk, getting their shoes stolen and thrown out, etc. The teacher will not do anything, because your kid is the nail that sticks out, so its their fault.

Everything else you've said is retarded. Japan has the 2nd highest number of atheists in the world, next to China, and you're saying that they're crazy religious. That's as retarded as saying Afghanistan is a safe and progressive space for women.

If you like it there so much, then fuk off and go live there. Love it or leave it.

Source: Have Japanese relatives that are actually normal, not low-class gaijin hunters. The fact that your wife has never told you any of these tells me she's never been in a proper job, and only has ever worked as a gaijin hunter.

OP is a foreigner and he's arguing that its a utopia for americans who don't think america is an ideal country to live in

He will gladly trade off the Stars and Stripes for shoebox apartments in the city and sardine can metro systems. Only legit commies and salty europeans think it is a net positive tradeoff

I honestly don't know too much about feminism in Japan. I do know that i would absolutely hate to be a salaryman there, it would be awful. I think the courts certainly favour Japanese women over Western guys and custody is normally awarded to the person 'in possession' of the children at the time. Japanese women are wiley though and will make sure that before the divorce, their kids are with their Japanese grandparents out in the countryside and they will have filed domestic abuse charges with the prick Japanese police. I personally know several Japanese women who really hold the children as ransom and demand exorbitant sums from their former Western husbands just to see the kids.

Naive Westerners seem to have this view that Asian women are somehow better than Western women. Western women are awful, no doubt, but Japanese, Thai, Chinese women are even more ruthless when it comes to money. Yet Westerners think of them as traditional, subservient wives that will cook, clean and look after their man. Nothing could be further from the truth. Blows my mind that guys go to Thailand and end up marrying bar girls that they don't even have a language in common with and who always have at least one kid as well as a Thai boyfriend that beats her senseless but that she respects moroe than the poor Western sap that marries her.

It was great to live in Japan at first. Tokyo is amazing, you get to go out and smash Japanese (and foreign) girls in scummy Roppongi, the food is incredible, people are superficially polite, there's so much order, etc. But the sheen always wears off and you begin to see the dark heart of the country. You'll only ever be seen as a Gaijin and you'll never have equal rights there. But yeah, if any of you bros do go over there just don't go over as a poverty English teacher lol.

None of this says anything negative about Japan as a country. Just that it's not as good for foreigners as for locals, which is perfectly fine.

Yeah I don't know about the whole how good/bad it is for foreigners but it's a lot better for locals than American is for locals and I think that is the main takeaway. It is what America could have been if it was just, way, way better.

You're idolising Japan. There's plenty of reasons why it sucks. Everywhere is great as a tourist, even Bali. There's a difference between the fat white foreigner banging underaged girls, and the local 18 year old dude with no certs, selling ice cream by the roadside for 20 cents a day.

The number one reason is work culture. You don't work hard, you work long. Its retarded, accomplishes nothing, and is just a waste of time and life. Enjoy going back on Sundays for 7 hours just to send a fax out, as your boss is there, and his boss is there, so all of you have to go in and jerk each other off.

Then there's Honne and Tatemae. If you don't know about this, you deserve to get fukked.

There's also the nail that sticks out gets hammered in culture. You think it'd be good to make SJWs toe the line, but you don't realise that it applies to wearing a navy blue suit when you should be wearing charcoal, and yes, you can lose your job over that. Good luck expressing yourself.

If you have any kids, they'll get bullied to hell. Their bullying is not American style locker shoving, but ostracisation, scrawling on their desk, getting their shoes stolen and thrown out, etc. The teacher will not do anything, because your kid is the nail that sticks out, so its their fault.

Everything else you've said is retarded. Japan has the 2nd highest number of atheists in the world, next to China, and you're saying that they're crazy religious. That's as retarded as saying Afghanistan is a safe and progressive space for women.

If you like it there so much, then fuk off and go live there. Love it or leave it.

Source: Have Japanese relatives that are actually normal, not low-class gaijin hunters. The fact that your wife has never told you any of these tells me she's never been in a proper job, and only has ever worked as a gaijin hunter.

Homogeneous society is bound to function better. The vast majority believes in a traditional culture and share the same values. Heterogeneous societies don't work well because no one can agree on anything.

yeah I am pretty sure the OP is trying to sell it as a superior alternative country for American expats who disapprove of America and want to leave for greener Pasteure

no one in the thread argue that Japan doesn't treat locals better than foreigners

Locals are treated better by the courts, the police and they can access things that we can't. Perhaps the CEOs there are havinga great time, i don't know but the ordinary salary men are miserable wretched. You find them littered all over the floor on a Friday night, completely unconscious as they drink to forget their terrible lives.

KBurn got it completely right though. Everybody thinks Japanese people are so hard working. They're actually useless but still face time is massive over there and they are forced to socialise with their work colleague in izakayas very regularly even though they hate it.

Plus, unlike Westerners, Japanese are expected to conform constantly to a rigid set of rules. It's impressive/amusing to observe but I doubt that living it would be much fun.

And yeah, those saying they would want a Japanese wife should go ahead then update in a few years when she has effectively kidnapped the children and the courts/police will not help at alll. They're some of the coldest, most scheming women I have ever seen and I personally wasn't witness to one happy marriage between a Westerner and Japanese woman. Once they have kids, forget about sex. But i guess that's what deriheru and soapland (if you can even get in as a foreigner) are for.

well yeah of course you need relatives to know the in and out of the culture like he does. Japan is largely a mystery to outsiders and thats probably why so many americans are drawn to it while making a lot of false assumptions. its basically forbidden fruit for americancels who think the west is less preferable to east asia

Main reason is they don't allow any "cultural enrichment" whatsoever.

They have always been top 1 or 2 in the world as far as IQ wise.

Lived there for 5 years. So many awesome things about it and the 'honeymoon' period was great.

But after a while you start to see the bad things. Never, ever marry a Japanese woman. Westerners think that they're traditional and submissive. But Westerners can't tell the difference between scummy Japanese girls and the better ones. So you end up with these lawyers and bankers marrying low class Japanese women. It's like, if you're a doctor or something in the States you wouldn't marry trailer park trash right? But the equivalent in Japan happens a lot and I don't know one Western guy who was happily married to a Japanese woman. They are extremely controlling and bitchy. Their MO is ultimately to divorce the guy, claim abuse and then take the kids to their parents. Japan finally signed up to the Hague convention but it's meaningless as the police won't enforce it. So you find all these Western guys who get to see their kids once in a blue moon and have to pay the b*tch and her family through the nose for it.

The justice system is also completely f**ked. If you happen to get caught up in it the Jap police won't give a single fukk about your side of the story (assuming there's a Japanese person involved) and you can be detaines for weeks without being charged or having access to a lawyer. In fact lawyers aren't even allowed to sit in with interviews with police.

Plus you're not going to make close Japanese friends, probably even if you speak fluent Japanese. They'll use you to practice English but that's pretty much as far as it goes. Their mentality is just too different.

I love Japan but most foreigners stay there for a couple of years and then leave and there's a reason behind that. Westerners tend to idolise Japan and there is much to admire but until you have lived there you don't see the bad stuff.

Can't believe some of you willingly decided to read some random person's posts on the misc in entirety....


Cliffs of everything, and then do a cliffs of the counter-argument highlighting the troubling nature of the Japanese and their declining zombie society and economy.

Lived there for 5 years. So many awesome things about it and the 'honeymoon' period was great.

But after a while you start to see the bad things. Never, ever marry a Japanese woman. Westerners think that they're traditional and submissive. But Westerners can't tell the difference between scummy Japanese girls and the better ones. So you end up with these lawyers and bankers marrying low class Japanese women. It's like, if you're a doctor or something in the States you wouldn't marry trailer park trash right? But the equivalent in Japan happens a lot and I don't know one Western guy who was happily married to a Japanese woman. They are extremely controlling and bitchy. Their MO is ultimately to divorce the guy, claim abuse and then take the kids to their parents. Japan finally signed up to the Hague convention but it's meaningless as the police won't enforce it. So you find all these Western guys who get to see their kids once in a blue moon and have to pay the b*tch and her family through the nose for it.

The justice system is also completely f**ked. If you happen to get caught up in it the Jap police won't give a single fukk about your side of the story (assuming there's a Japanese person involved) and you can be detaines for weeks without being charged or having access to a lawyer. In fact lawyers aren't even allowed to sit in with interviews with police.

Plus you're not going to make close Japanese friends, probably even if you speak fluent Japanese. They'll use you to practice English but that's pretty much as far as it goes. Their mentality is just too different.

I love Japan but most foreigners stay there for a couple of years and then leave and there's a reason behind that. Westerners tend to idolise Japan and there is much to admire but until you have lived there you don't see the bad stuff.

Cliffs:
Retards think its great, because its a homogenous society, so they want to marry a Japanese woman, without a hint of irony at all, because they're retarded.

Very much so and I felt exactly the same before going there. Psychologically I think people that have had it with their own country and clown world need to believe that there is something better out there.

In spite of all that though I would recommend anybody to go to Japan. It's a great adventure and there will be a honeymoon period where things seem perfect.I would just advise:

1. Don't go as a poverty English teacher. You'll live in a broom cupboard if you're in Tokyo.
2. Don't marry a Japanese woman. You'll regret it.
3. Learn some basic Japanese but don't waste time trying to get completely fluent unless you're exceptionally talented with languages. It's not that spoken Japanese is that hard (Kanji is a bitch obviously) but it will take a hell of a lot of work to become truly fluent and I'm not sure it's worth it unless you're going to settle down there permanently.
4. Don't do a single thing that could get you in trouble with the law. I did and it could have turned out very, very badly. And don't even think about doing drugs out there or bringing your prescription ******** to Japan.

My wife is top ****ing quality and much less loony than most american women I've met.

You're idolising Japan. There's plenty of reasons why it sucks. Everywhere is great as a tourist, even Bali. There's a difference between the fat white foreigner banging underaged girls, and the local 18 year old dude with no certs, selling ice cream by the roadside for 20 cents a day.

The number one reason is work culture. You don't work hard, you work long. Its retarded, accomplishes nothing, and is just a waste of time and life. Enjoy going back on Sundays for 7 hours just to send a fax out, as your boss is there, and his boss is there, so all of you have to go in and jerk each other off.

Then there's Honne and Tatemae. If you don't know about this, you deserve to get fukked.

There's also the nail that sticks out gets hammered in culture. You think it'd be good to make SJWs toe the line, but you don't realise that it applies to wearing a navy blue suit when you should be wearing charcoal, and yes, you can lose your job over that. Good luck expressing yourself.

If you have any kids, they'll get bullied to hell. Their bullying is not American style locker shoving, but ostracisation, scrawling on their desk, getting their shoes stolen and thrown out, etc. The teacher will not do anything, because your kid is the nail that sticks out, so its their fault.

Everything else you've said is retarded. Japan has the 2nd highest number of atheists in the world, next to China, and you're saying that they're crazy religious. That's as retarded as saying Afghanistan is a safe and progressive space for women.

If you like it there so much, then fuk off and go live there. Love it or leave it.

Source: Have Japanese relatives that are actually normal, not low-class gaijin hunters. The fact that your wife has never told you any of these tells me she's never been in a proper job, and only has ever worked as a gaijin hunter.

OP is a foreigner and he's arguing that its a utopia for americans who don't think america is an ideal country to live in

He will gladly trade off the Stars and Stripes for shoebox apartments in the city and sardine can metro systems. Only legit commies and salty europeans think it is a net positive tradeoff