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post 1648676153 10-10-2021, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
Lol, the only thing you did was give me a dopamine hit by showing how much I rustled your jim jams.

You have no moral ground because there is no such thing as objective morals you fool.
I agree that atheists have a problem here. Some try to cope and get around the problem (e.g. Sam Harris, Derek Parfit) but ultimately I think christians are right that without god - or more generally, without some religious anchor - there is no objective basis for morality.

But IMO religion needs to have an extremely prominent cultural role (e.g like the catholic church in medieval times or Islam today) for it to work. Everybody needs to be onboard. Christianity just doesn’t have that cultural role anymore, the christian myth just isn’t psychologically powerful to most people. We need another one but none exists so people turn to extreme ideologies instead.
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
I agree that atheists have a problem here. Some try to cope and get around the problem (e.g. Sam Harris, Derek Parfit) but ultimately I think christians are right that without god - or more generally, without some religious anchor - there is no objective basis for morality.

But IMO religion needs to have an extremely prominent cultural role (e.g like the catholic church in medieval times or Islam today) for it to work. Everybody needs to be onboard. Christianity just doesn’t have that cultural role anymore, the christian myth just isn’t psychologically powerful to most people. We need another one but none exists so people turn to extreme ideologies instead.
The entire basis of the left is based on proving that God does not exist. The reason why? Because our constitution is heavily based on God‘s law, which is sovereignty of the individual and liberty with law and order (Compelled by God but punished my judge and jury for eminent threats to others. To be free form coercion by your fellow man) . It’s the reason why freedom of religion is in the first amendment, and even printed on our currency!

From there, everything else breaks down and the push for Socialism is easy. It’s as easy as indoctrinating the youth to believe that God does not exist, and therefore our country, “under God“, is a human construct that created “privilege” and racism.

If leftists really wanted to be objective, they only need look to sociology and economics. If you study outcome based findings, it shuts down leftist ideals very, very quickly. But again, when you try to argue with Marxists, they have been trained well in the elements of deflection, strawman arguments, and insults.

But this is how you create the “vanguard army“. You pit your minorities against a majority, so that you can eventually push Socialism. when the final push happens, it is abrupt and violent. (riots, racism, crime spikes, murders…) and then there is a big power grab as the “solution”.

for instance, welfare is a socialist idea, it is being influenced by the government, and not by God. If you admit that there was more damage done than good, then you will have to admit that Socialism does not work and liberty does. in other words, they would have to admit that God‘s laws are real and work.

Have you noticed the left uses coercion to push their socialist ideals? Forcing others to do things they believe to be immoral? again, they use riots, violence, burglary, and exploit fear and panic (COVID Climate)
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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God created humans with a sin, so in order for God to forgive us, he kills himself.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
God created humans with a sin, so in order for God to forgive us, he kills himself.
I get it now. These leftists make multiple troll accounts, and rep them with their alts. I saw several troll alt pop up simultaneously in this thread.

It’s like a circle chart with themselves
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
Hayek and Mises were right; they're all socialists.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
God created humans with a sin, so in order for God to forgive us, he kills himself.
You're a Muslim.. Islam is just one step above Mormonism on the staircase of retardation. So shut up retard.
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OP is a religious my job 🤡
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
God created humans with a sin, so in order for God to forgive us, he kills himself.
Such bolded statements, of course, are almost meaningless in light of modern biological understanding of our evolution from ancestral primate species.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I get it now. These leftists make multiple troll accounts, and rep them with their alts. I saw several troll alt pop up simultaneously in this thread.

It’s like a circle chart with themselves
That's your belief right? Tell me how I'm trolling...(and that isn't even my attempt).
Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
You're a Muslim.. Islam is just one step above Mormonism on the staircase of retardation. So shut up retard.
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So let's recommence? Which verse would you like to throw at me?

You're a heretic man...Christians here even argue with you.
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Originally Posted By DannStark⏩
What else doesn't exist without religion? Do sht and roses smell the same because I don't believe in an ancient book? what about love and pain? what about eating fresh food as opposed to dead rats.

Some of you sound you'd be really lost without your imaginary friend, it's probably better for everyone else you have a strict set of written rules to keep you on a leash. Even if it means you're a pain in the ass for the rest of humanity.
Lots of thing exist without religion, but without God, nothing.

Imagine actually trying to make love and pain analogous to dead rats.

You clearly lack in logical thinking and can’t even construct a coherent argument. Then I’m supposed to take you seriously in a philosophical discussion, upon which you have literally zero knowledge, and from the analogies you provided, not logical?

Keep it up though, your attempts are pretty laughable and providing me some good dopamine hits.

Just to be clear, I’m calling you stupid.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Stating facts is rude?
despite believing you can’t have morals and atheistic and atheist should rot and die in your opinion almost proves your need to be a good person isn’t not genuine.

Helping others should be a selfless act regardless of the outcome or benefit to yourself. To prove faith in a god so you don’t rot in the after life? How is that wanting to be of aid, to cause less suffering?

I like to help others, because I have suffered. I do not like seeing people in pain.

I don’t like to see animals in pain

I may not have an all mighty purpose from some higher power but what I can do before I die is not cause others pain, I can help my fellow man and I can’t choose to not judge them. But always try to understand them.

My life really has no purpose. I have no children. This is true. But if in my say 80 years on earth I do more help than damage, then I feel compete.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
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So let's recommence? Which verse would you like to throw at me?
None. Your brain is fried, sadly. Only God could get through to you.
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Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
despite believing you can’t have morals and atheistic and atheist should rot and die in your opinion almost proves your need to be a good person isn’t not genuine.

Helping others should be a selfless act regardless of the outcome or benefit to yourself. To prove faith in a god so you don’t rot in the after life? How is that wanting to be of aid, to cause less suffering?

I like to help others, because I have suffered. I do not like seeing people in pain.

I don’t like to see animals in pain

I may not have an all mighty purpose from some higher power but what I can do before I die is not cause others pain, I can help my fellow man and I can’t choose to not judge them. But always try to understand them.

My life really has no purpose. I have no children. But if in my day 80 years on earth I do more help than damage, then I feel compete.
Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
None. Your brain is fried, sadly. Only God could get through to you.
Das not it mayne
Turn thy other cheek
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Das not it mayne
Turn thy other cheek
I love you dude (no homo) but you piss me off by your stubbornness.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
I love you dude (no homo) but you piss me off by your stubbornness.
Not trying to be stubborn...I'm using your own scripture man

God knows everything right? Jesus is God right?

If Jesus is God, and Jesus doesn't know the hour, tell me how he and the father are the same?
If Jesus said he's going to his God, tell me how God has a God?
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Not trying to be stubborn...I'm using your own scripture man
Stop being deceitful. Scripture shows that Jesus is God.

Stop denying it.

Only the Jehovah's witness cult says Jesus is not God and they have their own cult Bible.

In other words, every single Christian on earth believes Jesus is God. But no.. according to you the Bible doesn't even teach that.
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[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme post_id=1648678793][b]but without God, nothing.[/QUOTE]Then how are we having this discussion? There is no god


[QUOTE=MuscleXtreme post_id=1648678793]You clearly lack in logical thinking and can’t even construct a coherent argument.[/QUOTE]You haven't said anything creative in the whole thread. Just that without your imaginary friend nothing is possible. Why should I be taking you seriously? Bring up some points that aren't based on other peoples work or 3500 year old text.

You clearly missed the point since you're unable to think for yourself (which to be clear, was the point of my last post)
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Stop being deceitful. Scripture shows that Jesus is God.

Stop denying it.

Only the Jehovah's witness cult says Jesus is not God and they have their own cult Bible.

In other words, every single Christian on earth believes Jesus is God. But no.. according to you the Bible doesn't even teach that.
Hey, let's go back to my two points...
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Hey, let's go back to my two points...
Nope. You have hundreds of points to get through not just those 2.

I've shown you already that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God. You're delusional to try to argue using the Bible that Jesus is not God. John 1:1-3 shows that Jesus is God you're just playing dumb. You'll have no pity from me.

It's impossible to wake someone up who's only pretending to be sleeping.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Nope. You have hundreds of points to get through not just those 2.

I've shown you already that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God. You're delusional to try to argue using the Bible that Jesus is not God. John 1:1-3 shows that Jesus is God you're just playing dumb. You'll have no pity from me.

It's impossible to wake someone up who's only pretending to be sleeping.
Ok you got me on the other 98. Now you just have these 2...go on.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Ok you got me on the other 98. Now you just have these 2...go on.
If Jesus is God, and Jesus doesn't know the hour, tell me how he and the father are the same?

Jesus was speaking from his humanity.

If Jesus said he's going to his God, tell me how God has a God?

There are 2 in 1.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
If Jesus is God, and Jesus doesn't know the hour, tell me how he and the father are the same?

Jesus was speaking from his humanity.

If Jesus said he's going to his God, tell me how God has a God?

There are 2 in 1.
Jesus was speaking from his humanity.
But God knows everything all the time?

There are 2 in 1.
Where one knows more than the other?
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Jesus was speaking from his humanity.
But God knows everything all the time?

There are 2 in 1.
Where one knows more than the other?
Jesus was speaking from his humanity.
But God knows everything all the time?

God is 2 in 1. 1 of the 2 became a human.

Where one knows more than the other?

See previous answer. Jesus became a man. He was God. (John 1:1).
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Jesus was speaking from his humanity.
But God knows everything all the time?

God is 2 in 1. 1 of the 2 became a human.

Where one knows more than the other?

See previous answer. Jesus became a man. He was God. (John 1:1).
1) So why did one worship the other? So there's two Gods?
2) But in the O.T., God said he's not a man.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
1) So why did one worship the other? So there's two Gods?
2) But in the O.T., God said he's not a man.
there's two Gods

2 in 1 (John 1:1).

But in the O.T., God said he's not a man

God can do anything he wants.

God is not a man but he can become a man.

I agree God is not a man.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
God is not a man but he can become a man.
u wot?

I the Lord, I do not change (O.T.)
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
u wot?

I the Lord, I do not change (O.T.)
Same Jesus taking a different form. Again, no Christian believes Jesus is a man. If you want to argue that Jesus is not God you're gonna have to use the Quran. Muslims don't believe Jesus is God. Not Christians.
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christianity is a pagan religion started by paul.

read the early history of Jesus disciples and they clashed with paul and his new teachings, in fact there were numerous viewpoints of who jesus was floating around at the time, many groups and gospels. It would take hundreds of years and the pagan emperor Constantine to solidify the trinity
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Same Jesus taking a different form. Again, no Christian believes Jesus is a man. If you want to argue that Jesus is not God you're gonna have to use the Quran. Muslims don't believe Jesus is God. Not Christians.
He had two natures though? A human and God one.
Jesus in his human or god form isn't the father.

He said only the father knows the hour. So even if Jesus was in any of the two forms, he still was deficient in this.
Originally Posted By drLihp⏩
christianity is a pagan religion started by paul.

read the early history of Jesus disciples and they clashed with paul and his new teachings, in fact there were numerous viewpoints of who jesus was floating around at the time, many groups and gospels. It would take hundreds of years and the pagan emperor Constantine to solidify the trinity
Constantine mixed Jesus teaching with Roman Paganism. This trinity idea come long before Christianity (Mithra for example is literally the same character as Jesus).

Even the Bibles today were written long after Jesus...by people we don't even know were. The books are completely anonymous authors. It's pure conjecture in what they follow.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Jesus was speaking from his humanity.
But God knows everything all the time?

God is 2 in 1. 1 of the 2 became a human.

Where one knows more than the other?

See previous answer. Jesus became a man. He was God. (John 1:1).
Jesus fukkin Christ

It’s like reading a mental patients cell wall

Religion is about control, you are firmly under control

Jesus (if he even existed) was just a little brown Arab Jew whos mom was the village sloot and to avoid being cast out and killed by her 90 year old husband, the 14 year old Mary claimed a sky daddy filled up her guts.

And retards like OP actually fell for it, he’s such a cuckold he’d even believe his own wife if she gave him that story
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