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11-24-2021, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted By aal04⏩
yes but arberry was black. if a black man tries to take your gun you are obligated to let him, or media and amerigolems will call you a racist and put you in jail.i dont know about American law, but isnt this similar to Arbery wrestling the gun away?
11-24-2021, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted By p100⏩
That step father just wanted to take out the father, there was no need to shoot him, that father was angry because thats his blood child he wanted to see his sonChad goes to ex-wife's house to pick up his son for his turn of custody and is killed by the ex-wife's new boyfriend, Kyle. Feel really bad for the kid.
Edit: Kyle Carruth (the shooter) is actually an attorney, not a tradie.
This will be an interesting case to follow.
Edit: Kyle Carruth (the shooter) is actually an attorney, not a tradie.
This will be an interesting case to follow.
That woman just let this happen, over 85 percent of divorces are filed by women
11-24-2021, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Here is what you're failing to recognize.The sad part is there's no way to directly hold her responsible.
That's why I think the step-dad could get charged not with murder, but a lesser crime, maybe aggravated assault, or something. He clearly escalated it since the bio-dad was unarmed and threatened civil court only.
They are both guilty.
The step-dad for bringing a rifle to a civilian matter.
And the bio-dad for escalating it one step further by threatening to take it and use it on him.
But I also don't think the bio-dad believed step-dad would carry through with it. He must have thought it was a bluff. I wonder if he truly thought step-dad would carry out the threat, he would have backed down and went back to his car threatening civil court again.
That's why I think the step-dad could get charged not with murder, but a lesser crime, maybe aggravated assault, or something. He clearly escalated it since the bio-dad was unarmed and threatened civil court only.
They are both guilty.
The step-dad for bringing a rifle to a civilian matter.
And the bio-dad for escalating it one step further by threatening to take it and use it on him.
But I also don't think the bio-dad believed step-dad would carry through with it. He must have thought it was a bluff. I wonder if he truly thought step-dad would carry out the threat, he would have backed down and went back to his car threatening civil court again.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/ne...-of-chad-read/
“Though Read came unarmed, he announced his intent to kill Kyle Carruth with Kyle’s own gun and took immediate powerful action to do so,” Guinn said. “[It] was unsuccessful.”
Guinn released a second video to EverythingLubbock.com in his support of his case for Carruth’s self-defense.
“Careful study of the video showed Kyle’s gun was brandished but never pointed at Read,” Guinn said. “It was only after Mr. read said ‘I’ll take your gun,’ and slinging him across the patio like a scarecrow — then stepped toward him — that Mr. Carruth pointed the gun at Mr. Read.”
Scroll down to the second video, you can clearly see he tries to take the gun.Guinn released a second video to EverythingLubbock.com in his support of his case for Carruth’s self-defense.
“Careful study of the video showed Kyle’s gun was brandished but never pointed at Read,” Guinn said. “It was only after Mr. read said ‘I’ll take your gun,’ and slinging him across the patio like a scarecrow — then stepped toward him — that Mr. Carruth pointed the gun at Mr. Read.”
11-24-2021, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted By ooph⏩
They knew each other though. Strangers maybe. This is like two guys knowing each other for years then telling him he isn't going to pull the trigger then that one day he does.if someone pulls a gun on me on their property and tells me to leave? I'm not going to approach them and threaten them, I'm going to walk away and leave
Like that dude that went nuts over snow on his property. They told him to do it...and he did.
What do I know though. I'll wait for the mike the cop analysis lol
11-24-2021, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
So, based on this, there likely won't be lesser charges either, since brandishing a firearm in TX is not considered escalation:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/ne...-of-chad-read/
second angle here (can't find good share link to post video directly), along with a statement:
“It is my opinion, because of their knowledge of all the facts and the Texas Castle Doctrine and having done a thorough job, LPD knew this was a justifiable homicide,” Guinn said.
“They knew they lacked probable cause, and did not arrest him,” Guinn said. Probable cause is a standard of evidence required for the filing of charges.
second angle here (can't find good share link to post video directly), along with a statement:
“It is my opinion, because of their knowledge of all the facts and the Texas Castle Doctrine and having done a thorough job, LPD knew this was a justifiable homicide,” Guinn said.
“They knew they lacked probable cause, and did not arrest him,” Guinn said. Probable cause is a standard of evidence required for the filing of charges.
“All Texans may lawfully brandish a firearm to protect themselves, their property and their business.” Guinn said.
11-24-2021, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
How about zero reaction from anyone about a gun going off and someone dying. Especially from the person filming who seems to be in some way currently more connected to the man than the ex wife and her husband.lol, it did seem quite fake. i thought the shotgun sounded off but that may be the ****ty recording device
Then you have the horrible acting on top of it all. Nothing about that seems genuine and it's all probably just intended to lower peoples frequencies even more in clown world. More two sided conversations of self defense, not self defense, white people bad, guns are bad take my guns daddy government.
11-24-2021, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Looks like Kyle was within his rights.So, based on this, there likely won't be lesser charges either, since brandishing a firearm in TX is not considered escalation:
“All Texans may lawfully brandish a firearm to protect themselves, their property and their business.” Guinn said.
“All Texans may lawfully brandish a firearm to protect themselves, their property and their business.” Guinn said.
Still, he did undeniably provoke the event in my opinion.
If he'd waited inside until the father had either physically threatened the mother, or tried to press his way in the house - then shot the father, I'd have no sympathy for the father.
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11-24-2021, 10:01 PM
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Thinkin it’s fugaziEveryone seems pretty calm for what just happened...tf
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Looks fake and ghey.
11-24-2021, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
Texas has based self defense lawsLooks like Kyle was within his rights.
Still, he did undeniably provoke the event in my opinion.
If he'd waited inside until the father had either physically threatened the mother, or tried to press his way in the house - then shot the father, I'd have no sympathy for the father.
Still, he did undeniably provoke the event in my opinion.
If he'd waited inside until the father had either physically threatened the mother, or tried to press his way in the house - then shot the father, I'd have no sympathy for the father.
11-24-2021, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted By JustiNtense⏩
Yes, and the local law enforcement in Texas released statements to give authenticity to this fake event to facilitate the removing of citizen's rights to protect themselves.Nothing about that seems genuine and it's all probably just intended to lower peoples frequencies even more in clown world. More two sided conversations of self defense, not self defense, white people bad, guns are bad take my guns daddy government.
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11-24-2021, 10:11 PM
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The second she wouldn't let me get my son, is the second I get the fuk off their property, call the cops, say my son was kidnapped by the mother and just wait
I would then show the police my court order stating which days I get him.
Fuk if I am dealing with psycho's out there......
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I have a son and would never put myself in that position. Fuk that noise.
I would then show the police my court order stating which days I get him.
Fuk if I am dealing with psycho's out there......
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I have a son and would never put myself in that position. Fuk that noise.
11-24-2021, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted By ooph⏩
Yep, got that. Also, another key note is in TX law permitting brandishing to protect (with no time frame specified). Whereas here in AZ, we can't brandish until after there is immediate threat of unlawful physical force or deadly physical force.Here is what you're failing to recognize.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/ne...-of-chad-read/
Scroll down to the second video, you can clearly see he tries to take the gun.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/ne...-of-chad-read/
Scroll down to the second video, you can clearly see he tries to take the gun.
So, here, he could still be accused of some lesser charge for "provocation". Whereas TX apparently has the most liberal and best use of force laws I've seen all-around so far. Too bad that's not all states!
Still messed up situation though. I personally would not have brandished, I would have just given him the kid as previously agreed upon and avoided escalating. The less drama, the better.
11-24-2021, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted By cadetduke⏩
legal or not, he's a lil bitch ass pussy for executing himThey knew each other though. Strangers maybe. This is like two guys knowing each other for years then telling him he isn't going to pull the trigger then that one day he does.
Like that dude that went nuts over snow on his property. They told him to do it...and he did.
What do I know though. I'll wait for the mike the cop analysis lol
Like that dude that went nuts over snow on his property. They told him to do it...and he did.
What do I know though. I'll wait for the mike the cop analysis lol
11-24-2021, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Pterodactyl314⏩
It's rare that I would get so involved to go all detective, but following this link lead me to search the son's name. I can't imagine this event will foster a healthy relationship between the son and the man that shot his father.If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
oh wait, I was completely wrong - the mother is asking the court to instruct the step mother to pay child support
Intervenor [Jennifer Read] requests the Court, after notice and hearing, to make temporary orders for the safety and welfare of the children, including but not limited to the following:
Ordering Respondent, Christina Read to provide support for the children, including the
payment of child support and medical and dental support in the manner specified by the Court,
while this case is pending.
please tell me this isn't realOrdering Respondent, Christina Read to provide support for the children, including the
payment of child support and medical and dental support in the manner specified by the Court,
while this case is pending.
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11-24-2021, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
Yeah I did some searching on ********. Saw a pic of him and his kids. What a fuked situationIt's rare that I would get so involved to go all detective, but following this link lead me to search the son's name. I can't imagine this event will foster a healthy relationship between the son and the man that shot his father.
If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
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Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
That's not the dead man's ex-wife. That's the killer's wife. She has now filed for divorced after learning about the killing.We'll see, the ex-wife is a State District Judge
And the killer is a Lubbock 2nd Amendment Coalition leader whatever that means (I guess muh 2rd amendment rights activist)
And the killer is a Lubbock 2nd Amendment Coalition leader whatever that means (I guess muh 2rd amendment rights activist)
The killer was actually cheating on his wife the Judge with the dead man's ex-wife (mother of the kids he was picking up).
The dead man just got married to another new wife two months ago, and this new wife is now accusing both the killer and the mother of those kids as plotting this as a murder since the dead man was apparently threatening to expose the killer's affair with his ex-wife.
https://www.fox34.com/2021/11/24/att...ideo-shooting/
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
No way. Peak clown world if trueIt's rare that I would get so involved to go all detective, but following this link lead me to search the son's name. I can't imagine this event will foster a healthy relationship between the son and the man that shot his father.
If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
oh wait, I was completely wrong - the mother is asking the court to instruct the step mother to pay child support
please tell me this isn't real
If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
oh wait, I was completely wrong - the mother is asking the court to instruct the step mother to pay child support
please tell me this isn't real
Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
The plot thickensThat's not the dead man's ex-wife. That's the killer's wife. She has now filed for divorced after learning about the killing.
The killer was actually cheating on his wife the Judge with the dead man's ex-wife (mother of the kids he was picking up).
The dead man just got married to another new wife two months ago, and this new wife is now accusing both the killer and the mother of those kids as plotting this as a murder since the dead man was apparently threatening to expose the killer's affair with his ex-wife.
https://www.fox34.com/2021/11/24/att...ideo-shooting/
The killer was actually cheating on his wife the Judge with the dead man's ex-wife (mother of the kids he was picking up).
The dead man just got married to another new wife two months ago, and this new wife is now accusing both the killer and the mother of those kids as plotting this as a murder since the dead man was apparently threatening to expose the killer's affair with his ex-wife.
https://www.fox34.com/2021/11/24/att...ideo-shooting/
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11-24-2021, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
Ok, so Jennifer Read (step-mom, not bio-mom) is the dead man's new wife of two months. Jennifer is trying to take away the kids from the bad lady, (bio-mom) Christina Read, who is responsible for this murder. She is also asking for the bad lady (bio-mom) to pay child support. She is also accusing the bad lady of plotting this murder of the dead man as a set-up since she provoked it, filmed it, and did nothing to stop it, nor render aid.It's rare that I would get so involved to go all detective, but following this link lead me to search the son's name. I can't imagine this event will foster a healthy relationship between the son and the man that shot his father.
If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
oh wait, I was completely wrong - the mother is asking the court to instruct the step mother to pay child support
please tell me this isn't real
If I'm reading this correctly, the step mother has filed to maintain visitation rights with her now deceased husband's children.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/wp...lationship.pdf
oh wait, I was completely wrong - the mother is asking the court to instruct the step mother to pay child support
please tell me this isn't real
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
You’re going to lose $50 because you don’t understand American law. You’re almost always wrong.Aite bet.
Better pay up when the verdict is realeasd though.
Better pay up when the verdict is realeasd though.
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Originally Posted By Fozzy13⏩
This.Everyone seems pretty calm for what just happened...tf
Chad must have been a fukkn prick.
His own wife hardly even skipped a beat and was calm while watching his murder live.
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not especially good at deciphering the types of documents I posted a link to previously. Just too many names for my stupid brain.Ok, so Jennifer Read (step-mom, not bio-mom) is the dead man's new wife of two months. Jennifer is trying to take away the kids from the bad lady, (bio-mom) Christina Read, who is responsible for this murder. She is also asking for the bad lady (bio-mom) to pay child support. She is also accusing the bad lady of plotting this murder of the dead man as a set-up since she provoked it, filmed it, and did nothing to stop it, nor render aid.
I'm really starting to get the impression the bio-mom is real trash.
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If the dead guy said he would take the gun and use it on the shooter, gonna be hard pressed to show it wasn't self defense.
There will be an issue about him coming out with the gun, but his wife/gf was outside with the dead guy. I would go back out to protect my wife as well.
Warning shot might be hard to explain at court.
Castle doctrine/stand your ground can excuse a lot of things. Colorados castle doctrine states lethal force can be used when the suspect is illegally entering the home and (among other stipulations) the resident believes physical force will be used against them HOWEVER SLIGHT THAT PHYSICAL FORCE MAY BE (so that chest bump would count). So, you start kicking on my door saying you'll kick my azz, I can shoot you because you're attempting illegal entry and threatened to use force. Obviously this situation occurred outside but it all depends how that states law reads.
My thought is if it even goes to trial, shooter is cleared of wrongdoing.
There will be an issue about him coming out with the gun, but his wife/gf was outside with the dead guy. I would go back out to protect my wife as well.
Warning shot might be hard to explain at court.
Castle doctrine/stand your ground can excuse a lot of things. Colorados castle doctrine states lethal force can be used when the suspect is illegally entering the home and (among other stipulations) the resident believes physical force will be used against them HOWEVER SLIGHT THAT PHYSICAL FORCE MAY BE (so that chest bump would count). So, you start kicking on my door saying you'll kick my azz, I can shoot you because you're attempting illegal entry and threatened to use force. Obviously this situation occurred outside but it all depends how that states law reads.
My thought is if it even goes to trial, shooter is cleared of wrongdoing.
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Originally Posted By amerikansjc⏩
Dude was getting his child of whom he has legal custody as of 3:15pm. Dude and ex-wife are holding child from legal guardian. I don't think this ends as well as you think for the guy with the gun.It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. You are allowed to have a gun on your property, you are allowed to shoot someone if they try to take that gun from you. I honestly think he will be fine.
Still the biological dad is an idiot for trying to take the gun.
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chad threatened to kill the manlet, and reaches for manlet's gun. at that point it's self defense, manlet's life is clearly in danger, and he has every right to kill Chad. Highly doubt manlet does a day of jail time
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Originally Posted By Rattelsnake⏩
Nah, this was in Texas. If someone tells you to get the fuk off their property, you get off their property, if you refuse, they're well within their right to remove you, permanently.This. Not self defense at all. There was no imminent danger of life. Bio dad was standing there asking for his son and legit has the right to pick up his son. They're playing games not saying where he is. I think the bio dad interpreted the step dad's rifle as a bluff stance and did not believe he would actually shoot it since he wasn't there to threaten anyone but just get his kid (threatening to take to court is not the same as threatening their life). Also, unarmed is no match for a rifle, also he pushed him out of the way so he could go look inside his home to get his kid, the push was no way life threatening. Step dad was in zero danger for his life. He'll get prison.
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Idk if it changes anything but was it his property? Since he was only dating the ex wife while married to the other woman.
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