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post 1652265623 12-09-2021, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted By dmike100⏩
I wonder if it has anything to do with weakening the immune system and leaky vaccines.
Leaky vaccines are a theoretical concern for an evolutionary increase in virulence. Ironically, this is most problematic for unvaccinated individuals, not vaccinated. But there are a number of assumptions that need to be met for it to happen and the theoretical concern doesn’t outweigh the direct benefits of vaccination. Not even close.
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post 1652265713 12-09-2021, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
get the fuk out with this nonsense, negged

im so sick and tired of people creatine "what if" scenarious that never come to happen and making EVERY covid thing WAY more serious than it ever is

like do people like you get off on this? do you cum in your pants when you see some news about covid and that it is going to kill more people?
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how many jabs will it take for you to become anti vax?

You're pretty brainwashed, so I'd say 14 or so jabs and you'll change teams.
Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
Would you voluntarily receive 15 covid jabs?

when would you stop getting jabs?
Lulz
post 1652265773 12-09-2021, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Lulz
anti-vaxxer detected. Someone call his employer!
post 1652266073 12-09-2021, 05:07 PM
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My favorite part about omicron is how South Africa absolutely regrets bringing it up
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post 1652266333 12-09-2021, 05:11 PM
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At tgat point it will be gone,


Like how the big scary delta went away
post 1652266383 12-09-2021, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Leaky vaccines are a theoretical concern for an evolutionary increase in virulence. Ironically, this is most problematic for unvaccinated individuals, not vaccinated. But there are a number of assumptions that need to be met for it to happen and the theoretical concern doesn’t outweigh the direct benefits of vaccination. Not even close.
Problem for unvaccinated?

What you mean is people with no prior natiral immunity & old/weak people
post 1652266763 12-09-2021, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
Problem for unvaccinated?

What you mean is people with no prior natiral immunity & old/weak people
I’m saying that if higher virulence is selected for as a result of leaky vaccines, unvaccinated populations would incur the most damage.
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post 1652267293 12-09-2021, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
I’m saying that if higher virulence is selected for as a result of leaky vaccines, unvaccinated populations would incur the most damage.
what...

so a leaky vaccine that produces mutations resistant to vaccines antibodies, the people who had natural immunity are going to incur the most damage?

That is the exact opposite of making sense

this should have been clearly evident when people with natural immunity were better off than vaccinated people when Delta was peaking.
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post 1652267583 12-09-2021, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
what...

so a leaky vaccine that produces mutations resistant to vaccines antibodies, the people who had natural immunity are going to incur the most damage?

That is the exact opposite of making sense
You’re confusing concepts. I’m talking about selective pressures from leaky vaccines that favor more inherently harmful variants. Different conversation than immune evasion. But I’m happy to have that talk too.
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post 1652267593 12-09-2021, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
I’m saying that if higher virulence is selected for as a result of leaky vaccines, unvaccinated populations would incur the most damage.
So should we isolate and quarantine the vaccinated to protect the unvaccinated?
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post 1652267763 12-09-2021, 05:38 PM
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Satan followers! **** you and **** your vaccines. Vaccinate your mothers ya sons of bitches
post 1652268363 12-09-2021, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He's a beavercel. He will be getting daily jabs if he is told that it's the right thing to do. All the while vehemently defending the narrative of the day!

"Trust the dollars, I mean science!"
Nah
post 1652268493 12-09-2021, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
You’re confusing concepts. I’m talking about selective pressures from leaky vaccines that favor more inherently harmful variants. Different conversation than immune evasion. But I’m happy to have that talk too.
Well that is just operating under a massive assumption that more terrible variants/mutations are going to happen which is a big IF.
I also dont see how that supports still using leaky vaccines that may not even work on those variants but only weaker ones.
Thats also operating under the belief that the stronger variant is even susceptible to a new vaccine and wont completley circumvent and ignore the antibodies someone has from a vaccine.
Thats also assuming that the person with natural immunity wont have the antibodies that can better fight off the more severe new variant than people who have 4 boosters.

WAY too many assumptions for things that have not happened yet to make any sort of action reasonable at this point beyond trying to make an actual real vaccine and not a crappy booster shot with tons of risk.
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post 1652269303 12-09-2021, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
We will see. You will continue to defend the narrative no matter what - the same you are doing now.
Which narrative?
post 1652269613 12-09-2021, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Well that is just operating under a massive assumption that more terrible variants/mutations are going to happen which is a big IF.
I also dont see how that supports still using leaky vaccines that may not even work on those variants but only weaker ones.
Thats also operating under the belief that the stronger variant is even susceptible to a new vaccine and wont completley circumvent and ignore the antibodies someone has from a vaccine.
Thats also assuming that the person with natural immunity wont have the antibodies that can better fight off the more severe new variant than people who have 4 boosters.

WAY too many assumptions for things that have not happened yet to make any sort of action reasonable at this point beyond trying to make an actual real vaccine and not a crappy booster shot with tons of risk.
Mutations are random. Evolution is not. It’s not about what mutations happen, but which ones are selected for and increase in frequency. There are theoretical and empirical reasons to believe that leaky vaccines can create an environment that favors more exploitative variants. My point, however, is that this concern does not outweigh the direct and current benefits of vaccination.
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post 1652270093 12-09-2021, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Imagine trying to use "big words" to make it appear a post has credibility than it really does.

Quoted to make sure you can't edit your mistake, either.
The last sentence went from him having a decent intellectual conversation to just nonsense opinion.
It was a weird shift to finish off with that sentence.
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post 1652270143 12-09-2021, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Imagine trying to use "big words" to make it appear a post has credibility than it really does.

Quoted to make sure you can't edit your mistake, either.
Anything to add Anach? Always riding that line between trying to be clever but never committing to a claim.
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post 1652270393 12-09-2021, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
The last sentence went from him having a decent intellectual conversation to just nonsense opinion.
It was a weird shift to finish off with that sentence.
That last sentence was my overall point. I don’t deny the plausible role leaky vaccines may have on increased virulence. I just don’t think that concern outweighs the current benefits.
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post 1652270863 12-09-2021, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
That last sentence was my overall point. I don’t deny the plausible role leaky vaccines may have on increased virulence. I just don’t think that concern outweighs the current benefits.
thats 1 concern
add in the concern of myocarditis and heart issues
add in blood clots
add in neurological problems
add in avoiding getting natural immunity
add in having to get endless boosters
add in constantly and repeatedly spiking proteins
add in trusting the research being conducted as being objective and uncorrupt
add in trusting the doctors not being paid off by big pharma
add in my risk as a healthy person who takes immune supporting supplements religiously
add in the fact that most people die now from heart disease, not lung disease


then lets weight the cost benefit analysis
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post 1652271203 12-09-2021, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
That last sentence was my overall point. I don’t deny the plausible role leaky vaccines may have on increased virulence. I just don’t think that concern outweighs the current benefits.
Argue the benefits of giving the vaccine to those that are in high risk categories, ok. No problem whatsoever with that population being offered, assuming full disclosure of side effects and risk, being given the choice.

There is no benefit that outweighs the risk of potential side effects or leaky vaccine mutations on the populace at large by mandating this experimental drug that requires multiple boosters to increase "effectiveness".
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
The same one you are defending.

Did you find a vial of Comirnaty yet?
Are you willing to summarize the narrative you feel I'm defending and the aspects with which you disagree?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Sure, as soon as you produce a pic you took of a vial of Comirnaty that you got from your local pharmacy.
I'll continue to provide opportunities and invitations for dialogue.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
thats 1 concern
add in the concern of myocarditis and heart issues
add in blood clots
add in neurological problems
add in avoiding getting natural immunity
add in having to get endless boosters
add in constantly and repeatedly spiking proteins
add in trusting the research being conducted as being objective and uncorrupt
add in trusting the doctors not being paid off by big pharma
add in my risk as a healthy person who takes immune supporting supplements religiously
add in the fact that most people die now from heart disease, not lung disease


then lets weight the cost benefit analysis
You’re regurgitating talking points. Even for healthy young adults, benefits of vaccination outweigh the (nearly negligible) costs. You’ll notice that when you restrict your evidence to peer reviewed research (not Twitter memes, raw data you don’t understand, or preprints) there is overwhelming support for their use in any cost-benefit analysis.
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post 1652271993 12-09-2021, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
But still no pic of a vial of Comirnaty. Got it.

Continue defending a narrative at the expense of your intellectual honesty.

That's your choice, not mine.
I do find some solace in continued attempts at discussion.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Was it you who said J.L.C. was going to "school" me in statistics, after which he proceeded to post numbers that were off by more than two decimal points?
Any statistics you’d like to discuss in particular?
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
You’re regurgitating talking points. Even for healthy young adults, benefits of vaccination outweigh the (nearly negligible) costs. You’ll notice that when you restrict your evidence to peer reviewed research (not Twitter memes, raw data you don’t understand, or preprints) there is overwhelming support for their use in any cost-benefit analysis.
interesting considering I had covid and did not get the vaccine and when I had covid I had no symptoms other than taste and smell
because of competitive bodybuilding for years my heart is more at risk for an adverse event than most people

so its undeniably WAY more of a risk for me to take the vaccine, but your comfortable telling me its not even though it could lead to me dying and its already clear my immune system is fully capable of handling the covid virus?

I can also just as easily say everything you are saying is just talking points and there is no validity to any of it by the way, doesnt mean im right or you are right.
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Not really statistics, but this is the big fudge you can't seem to let go, right?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Then let's treat all Pfizer as independent

0.00015875706%

(143+138)/177000000
Originally Posted By StoliFun⏩
O.0000015875705 is 0.00015875705% Anachron means
Did that move in the decimal place affect the inference, at all?

That's the big fudge?
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
interesting considering I had covid and did not get the vaccine and when I had covid I had no symptoms other than taste and smell
because of competitive bodybuilding for years my heart is more at risk for an adverse event than most people

so its undeniably WAY more of a risk for me to take the vaccine, but your comfortable telling me its not even though it could lead to me dying and its already clear my immune system is fully capable of handling the covid virus?

I can also just as easily say everything you are saying is just talking points and there is no validity to any of it by the way, doesnt mean im right or you are right.
You feel your risk of death is higher from vaccination than from covid infection?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You feel your risk of death is higher from vaccination than from covid infection?
why the fukk wouldnt I when I already had Covid with no negative symptoms beyond taste and smell, which i actually enjoyed, and I have a higher risk of a cardiac event than the general public and the vaccine is known to cause myocarditis and highly elevated CRP which is indicative of systemic inflammation in the cardiovascular system?

Are you saying the printed warning by pfizer and moderna on their vaccines stating it causes myocarditis and blood clots is a lie?
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