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post 1652010263 12-05-2021, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324
PM for Slack workspace link and then disperse it
what is that like microsoft teams?
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post 1652012913 12-05-2021, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss
OP as someone in fruits and nuts California the people around me don't understand the need for assault rifles at all. Could you please offer me your side? I'm just curious when my friends and family complain about them and say that the second amendment was not made with assault rifles in mind.
We’ve already established AR does not stand for Assault Rifle.

I never try to convince “anti-gunners” of anything. Everyone has a right to decide what their victim status will be.

But I can explain why the AR platform is a highly chosen tool for home defense. It’s popularity is due to the ability to accessorize it for the job, intuitiveness of a rifle over a handgun, and the increased lethality of the rifle round.

When someone breaks into your home, you’re already in the fight. You aren’t going to talk your way out of it. The person a homeowner will encounter is a highly committed individual who just kicked in the door of a “probably” known occupied structure. This individual has probably been in and out of the system, and is experienced at violence and home invasion. Most likely, this is their choice of jobs.

Now you’ve got a career criminal who targeted your home, in your living room, and you have kids to protect. You want to end it right there, and the AR gives you the best possibility for that.

Allowing their family to be victimized is not an option for for most people.
post 1652013293 12-05-2021, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted By pUniCepts
what is that like microsoft teams?
Idk I haven't used ms teams. But it's intuitive and reliable.messages and can also do meets/huddles or just messages



We need something thofub so there it is
post 1652015383 12-05-2021, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By IPoopStandingUp
I took advantage of that deal in that post, way back in the good old days when 600 bucks could buy more than a cart of groceries and one tank of gas.
I still have this page saved... Neg me for not having followed through with it back in 20 fawking 19. Rifle + 5 mags + range bag $620
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post 1652029343 12-05-2021, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss
OP as someone in fruits and nuts California the people around me don't understand the need for assault rifles at all. Could you please offer me your side? I'm just curious when my friends and family complain about them and say that the second amendment was not made with assault rifles in mind.
So, first, it's important to understand what the Second Amendment covered at the time it was written; Swords, Muskets, Rifled Muskets, Shotguns, Cannons, and Ships with Cannons on them, but even this is a poor understanding.

To quote Tench Coxe, one of the Pennsylvania Delegates to the Constitutional Convention, "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American..."

This is because the founders didn't want Americans to have access to "muskets", which were already outdated at the time of the Constitution and being replaced with rifles, but rather to the weaponry that a soldier might confront them with. In 1790 that was a rifled musket. In 1890 it was a lever or bolt-action rifle. In 1990 it was an AR15, and today it's a slightly different AR15, but the purpose of what was being protected was the right of the citizen to stand up to the state. Any tyrannical government needs the ability to compel its subjects to do what it wants. As Lenin said, "A man with a gun can control 100 without one", but this isn't the case for an armed populace.

When you understand the purpose of the second amendment, understanding the "need" becomes fairly obvious, but we have to go deeper. The most common rifle sold in the US today is the AR15, but it's not an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a select-fire (meaning able to select between a fully automatic and semi-automatic firing mode), magazine-fed firearm with an intermediate powered rifle cartridge. Virtually all AR15s in the US are not assault rifles, as, unlike military rifles, they are semi-auto only. The gun control movement expends a significant amount of energy convincing the uninformed that common AR15s are machine guns, they're not. They're also not "new", as the design of the rifle goes back to 1958, and semi-auto magazine fed firearms go back over 110 years.

So why would someone "want" an AR15? Simply put, it is far and away the most-effective firearm for defending yourself, for the vast, overwhelming majority of people, by design. The AR15 in its current form is easy to shoot with accuracy, fires (relatively) inexpensive ammunition, and is a comfortable rifle to shoot for an extended period of time. End-users are likely to be able to find a place to train with it, it's fairly easy to become very proficient with, and it's an effective weapon for self-defense because you're more likely to get rounds on your target and less likely for them to go through your target or unintentionally into something else due to its ammo.

The rifle is also extremely useful for varmint/big game hunting depending on its configuration, however that's ancillary because the 2nd Amendment isn't about shooting deer. I hope that helps your understanding. Simply put, the only reasons to choose something other than an AR would be wanting something concealable (pistol) or able to shoot things that fly (shotgun).
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post 1652036193 12-05-2021, 05:49 PM
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Thanks to most who answered. I'm on spread with some of you.
post 1652037333 12-05-2021, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss
Thanks to most who answered. I'm on spread with some of you.
Bottom line, the constitution doesn't limit personal freedoms. It limits the government's ability to restrict our freedoms.
Freedom of speech is a principle pillar of a free government; when this support is taken away, the constitution of a free society is dissolved and tyranny is erected on its ruins.

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post 1652064803 12-06-2021, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted By dmike100
Bottom line, the constitution doesn't limit personal freedoms. It limits the government's ability to restrict our freedoms.
Well even if the government limited gun purchases, there are so many guns out there that it would be irrelevant, plus there's the black market.

Non gun owners tell me they see "AR" and think of Rambo type of automatic rifles and don't get why these mass shooters have access to those type of guns.

I mean I love archery, so that's my "weapon", I guess, so to speak. I just personally have anxiety and depression and wouldn't feel comfortable with a gun in the house in terms of using it myself in a harmful way. I guess I'm fortunate to live in a very safe neighborhood.
post 1652301363 12-10-2021, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss
Non gun owners tell me they see "AR" and think of Rambo type of automatic rifles and don't get why these mass shooters have access to those type of guns.
I just pulled the proverbial trigger on a new AR. When I was still in the research stage and discussing it with my dad he mentioned that he's not supposed to be talking to me about it because my mother doesn't think I need it. He's always had an arsenal, and we've hunted since I was a kid and now my kids are learning about it as well with both of us.

So the next time I called and mentioned buying the gun she asked if she should pass me to my dad and I said "No, I'd like to talk to you about the gun." After some back and forth, it boiled down to her saying "I just don't think anyone needs to own an AR15."

I asked her if she even knew what an AR15 was? Because I didn't really until a month or two ago. I explained how it was just a model of gun that allows the interchanging of parts with any other of that same model of gun. That there are non "assault weapon" guns with the same caliber and same rate of fire. That back in the day we had muskets, then we evolved to more modern rifles with bolts and levers, then semi automatics. With the AR15, things have evolved so far that with the gas systems there is almost no recoil and red dot sights aid with accuracy so that anybody can use it to defend themselves. After that, she didn't have much left to disagree with.

Now if I could just fit all of that onto a bumper sticker...
post 1652306713 12-10-2021, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By jimbone21
I just pulled the proverbial trigger on a new AR. When I was still in the research stage and discussing it with my dad he mentioned that he's not supposed to be talking to me about it because my mother doesn't think I need it. He's always had an arsenal, and we've hunted since I was a kid and now my kids are learning about it as well with both of us.

So the next time I called and mentioned buying the gun she asked if she should pass me to my dad and I said "No, I'd like to talk to you about the gun." After some back and forth, it boiled down to her saying "I just don't think anyone needs to own an AR15."

I asked her if she even knew what an AR15 was? Because I didn't really until a month or two ago. I explained how it was just a model of gun that allows the interchanging of parts with any other of that same model of gun. That there are non "assault weapon" guns with the same caliber and same rate of fire. That back in the day we had muskets, then we evolved to more modern rifles with bolts and levers, then semi automatics. With the AR15, things have evolved so far that with the gas systems there is almost no recoil and red dot sights aid with accuracy so that anybody can use it to defend themselves. After that, she didn't have much left to disagree with.

Now if I could just fit all of that onto a bumper sticker...
Yes. Some bullet points

AR15 is actually a trademarked name, like Kleenex or Band-Aid, and we use it loosely but really, probably nobody who has posted in this thread owns an "AR15" as they haven't been made for years.

The actual assault weapons are select fire, meaning they are machine guns per federal law and almost nobody has them because of BS that froze supply back in about 1987 or so and they cost five figures now.

The original design dates back literally to the 1950's

The AR stands fro armalite rifle, the initial company.

Most hunting rifles are more powerful than the AR15 type rifle, as the generic AR15 fires a .22 caliber bullet that weighs 55-77gr where most hunting rifles are .30 and fire much larger bullets with more power.

The AR15 style rifle is the most popular and highest selling type of rifle in the US.

Annually, 300-400 people are killed using a rifle, entire country...more people are punched, struck, and stomped to death than that...and that's ALL rifles, not just the "scary looking" ones the media is retarded about. Meanwhile, tens of thousands die in car accidents at 6-10k are killed using hnadguns.

The AR15 is easier to adjust to older, shorter, smaller, weaker shooters than most other firearms. The adjustable stock, the light recoil, the easy to reach and use controls, do an even better job than most firearms in leveling the playing field between smaller weaker less violent defenders when confronted by the typical violent criminal who is teenage-30 or male strong and fit
post 1652310523 12-10-2021, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324
The actual assault weapons are select fire, meaning they are machine guns per federal law and almost nobody has them because of BS that froze supply back in about 1987 or so and they cost five figures now.
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