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Thread: Omicron 5 times more likely to reinfect than Delta; no less severe

post 1652833313 12-19-2021, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I am asking you to post a sentence along the lines of the sensationalist headliner you quoted because it fit your narrative. I am not asking for an exact number.

Here it is again :



Why can't you do it?

Because it doesn't support your narrative?
I don't have the requisite data to pool the 4 vaccine/dosing estimates. We have point estimates and CI's, we need the raw data to carry the variance forward through pooling.

We could kind of treat the vaccine/dosing estimates as separate studies and do a pseudo meta-analysis, but that's a hack leaving a lot to be desired.

Pool the estimates your way and let's discuss the result.
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post 1652833553 12-19-2021, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
No need to pool to construct a sentence along the lines of the sensationalist headliner you quoted in OP.

Here it is again, in even bigger font, because you seem to be missing it:



Why can't you construct a simple sentence?
Because I don't have the data.

Please post whatever it is you're taking issue with in the paper. Let's discuss
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Stolifun and P51 have only their ideology to blame for my lack of concern about this virus. For two years we’ve been called selfish and made to choose between careers and getting a shot. The goalposts keep moving because of their ideology. Less than two percent of the people who get it die. Your ideology has ruined way more lives than this virus has taken. If we don’t put an end to this NOW, they will never stop. So, if you support this Draconian garbage, IT’S ON YOU. And why do you care that much anyway? After all, it’s only killing Republicans, right? You can’t tell me you care that much because apparently P51 is not pleased with me spreading my a cold.
post 1652833633 12-19-2021, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Because I don't have the data.

Please post whatever it is you're taking issue with in the paper. Let's discuss
This implies that the protection against Omicron afforded by 4 different vaccine/doses conditions may be as low as*please complete* per cent.
post 1652833653 12-19-2021, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You just don't want to post it, I wonder why?
Post what? Seriously. Just post whatever it is you'd like to discuss. The guessing game is weird.
post 1652833743 12-19-2021, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70⏩
Stolifun and P51 have only their ideology to blame for my lack of concern about this virus. For two years we’ve been called selfish and made to choose between careers and getting a shot. The goalposts keep moving because of their ideology. Less than two percent of the people who get it die. Your ideology has ruined way more lives than this virus has taken. If we don’t put an end to this NOW, they will never stop. So, if you support this Draconian garbage, IT’S ON YOU. And why do you care that much anyway? After all, it’s only killing Republicans, right? You can’t tell me you care that much because apparently P51 is not pleased with me spreading my a cold.
I want to quote this again for the Branch Covidians. I also wanted to add that apparently I’m not the only one who feels this way. You retards and people like you have backed us into a corner. It’s time to show you that it’s only a cold. I’ve talked to about 10 people today and all agree they’re tired of it. If y’all wouldn’t have gone as far as y’all have, politically, we’d be cool. It’s just a cold. That’s all it is.


Inb4 I die from the cold.
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70⏩
Stolifun and P51 have only their ideology to blame for my lack of concern about this virus. For two years we’ve been called selfish and made to choose between careers and getting a shot. The goalposts keep moving because of their ideology. Less than two percent of the people who get it die. Your ideology has ruined way more lives than this virus has taken. If we don’t put an end to this NOW, they will never stop. So, if you support this Draconian garbage, IT’S ON YOU. And why do you care that much anyway? After all, it’s only killing Republicans, right? You can’t tell me you care that much because apparently P51 is not pleased with me spreading my a cold.
You didn't quote anyone, but because I started the thread I'm assuming the "you" refers to me.

I have never supported mandates or the theatrical displays by politicians; I think they do far more harm than good. I'm in Canada so we don't have Republicans, but I can't see how a virus would know who someone voted for, regardless of country.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You didn't quote anyone, but because I started the thread I'm assuming the "you" refers to me.

I have never supported mandates or the theatrical displays by politicians; I think they do far more harm than good. I'm in Canada so we don't have Republicans, but I can't see how a virus would know who someone voted for, regardless of country.
I was quoting myself kek. I wanted them to have to see it again. If you don’t support mandates and lockdowns, you’re ok in my book. I hate Mississippi, but I’m thankful they ended all of this retarded mandated mask wearing and lockdowns and never asked us for passports a year ago.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Imagine the amount of backpedaling.

Here is the original:



Those don't look very similar, it's almost like you're adding stuff onto it to fudge the numbers as your narrative requires it.
Post your single estimate.

I posted the 4 estimates from the article. You want them pooled for some reason, so pool them. What number (or series of numbers) do you want to discuss? Let's chat
post 1652834103 12-19-2021, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
He does support mandates, he just says he doesn't.

He also support his government posting intentionally misleading information on the official websites as it related to covid vaccines.
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”

Where have I ever stated any support for the above?
post 1652834583 12-19-2021, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why are there four estimates? You only need one number to complete that sentence.



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



Why can't you do it?

Just LOL at intellectually dishonest beavercel vaxcucks, keep playing dumb.
Here they are again, combine them any way you like and let's discuss
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"We found a significant increased risk of an Omicron case compared to Delta for those with vaccine status:

AZ 2+weeks post-dose 2 (PD2) 1.86 (95%CI: 1.67-2.08),

Pfizer 2+w PD2 2.68 (95%CI: 2.54-2.83),

AZ 2+w post-dose 3 (PD3) 4.32 (95%CI: 3.84-4.85)

PF 2+w PD3 4.07 (95%CI: 3.66-4.51)PD3 states are categorised by the dose 1/2 vaccine used). Depending on the Delta VE estimates used,

These estimates translate into Omicron VE estimates of between0% and 20% PD2and between55% and 80% PD3against Omicron"
Is this what you want to discuss?
"These estimates translate into Omicron VE estimates of between0% and 20% PD2and between55% and 80% PD3against Omicron"
post 1652834633 12-19-2021, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
lol at comirnaty. Why do they keep calling it the pfizer vaccine if they changed the name?

I haven't heard anyone call it comirnaty except for maybe OP when he was lying about getting it
Link?

I recall saying the contents are identical regardless of label. Some are very fixated on the label; reasons for label concerns are unclear and have not been stated.

Or is this part of the “repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” campaign?
post 1652835263 12-19-2021, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...0912613&page=9
So it's the latter. Cool.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Nope, try again.

It has to include "may be as low as" and a single number, not a range. Just like the quoted overly sensationalized sentence you quoted from the "study".

So much dodging - I do wonder why?
"Has to"? Lol

Also, I don't know what rekt means.

It seems to mean "I don't like what you posted". I wonder why people are so upset about this article? I think this might be a single-day neg record.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Here it is again:



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



Why can't you do it?
Single sentence from the article:
"These estimates translate into Omicron VE estimates of between0% and 20% PD2and between55% and 80% PD3against Omicron"
The authors' 19% comes from the point estimate of 0.81 (mean), the 95% CI is 0.73-1.00, but frequentist confidence intervals are unintuitive.

"Prior to Omicron, the SIREN cohort study of UK healthcare workers estimated that SARS-CoV-2 infection gave 85% protection against reinfection over 6 months, or a relative risk of infection of 0.15 compared with those with no prior infection. Our hazard ratio estimate would suggest the relative risk of reinfection has risen to 0.81 [95%CI: 0.73-1.00] (i.e. remaining protection of 19% [95%CI: 0-27%]) against Omicron."
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Can u guys just exchange numbers and text about this going forward?

Cheers
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Just enjoy watching him squirm.

Remember, it's him and people like him supporting the narrative.
Who's squirming? You refuse to present a position or "the number" with which you're concerned.

Which narrative?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
That's not what I asked for though.

Here it is again:



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



Why can't you do it?
The authors' 19% comes from the point estimate of 0.81 (mean), the 95% CI is 0.73-1.00, but frequentist confidence intervals are unintuitive.

"Prior to Omicron, the SIREN cohort study of UK healthcare workers estimated that SARS-CoV-2 infection gave 85% protection against reinfection over 6 months, or a relative risk of infection of 0.15 compared with those with no prior infection. Our hazard ratio estimate would suggest the relative risk of reinfection has risen to 0.81 [95%CI: 0.73-1.00] (i.e. remaining protection of 19% [95%CI: 0-27%]) against Omicron."
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
That's not what I asked for though.

Here it is again:



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



Why can't you do it?
"These estimates translate into Omicron VE estimates of between 0% and 20% PD2 and between 55% and 80% PD3 against Omicron"
Where,

PD2 = AZ 2+weeks post-dose 2 or Pfizer 2+w post-dose 2

PD3 = AZ 2+w post-dose 3 and PF 2+w post-dose 3

But really, which narrative?

The Misc narrative is that immunity acquired through infection is superior to immunity acquired through vaccination (less risk, more protection), so people should rely on infection for immunity.

Why won't you post the number with which you're concerned?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I'm not concerned with the number, I am just enjoying watching you squirm, because you can't bring yourself to post a simple sentence.

Here it is again:



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



I think everyone, including yourself, know why you keep dodging.
I haven't dodged anything. There is a range for 2 doses and a range for 3 (from the article, which I've now posted a few times). How/why would you collapse those? Are you suggesting people previously infected have been reinfected multiple times and those are being collapsed?

"Guess my argument" would probably be a good game show!
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Who's squirming? You refuse to present a position or "the number" with which you're concerned.

Which narrative?
You're so fkin dumb you don't see how dumb you are.
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Inb4 honorable FDA/CDC/NIH/WHO representatives

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
:Why can't you do it?
Because CI's aren't symmetric.

Are you asking for a single point estimate that collapses the discrete CI's across the 4 conditions?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
No, that's not what I am asking, here it is again, please read it this time:



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



Why can't you do it?
It doesn't make sense to average those estimates. I assume you know this and want me to post an invalid average for some kind of pwnage.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why can't you do it?
It doesn't make sense to average those estimates. I assume you know this and want me to post an invalid average for some kind of pwnage.

If you're so sure it's a valid approach and argument, post your estimate. Take a position. Make a statement. Say something.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Not asking for an average. You just can't bring yourself to post it because it doesn't support your narrative.

Please read this time:



And here's the original sensationalized sentence:



Why can't you do it?
A single point estimate doesn't make sense across those discrete conditions. I assume you know this and want me to post an invalid number for some kind of pwnage.

If you're so sure it's a valid approach and argument, post your estimate. Take a position. Make a statement. Say something.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Let me know if you need me to hold your hand, and we'll construct the sentence together, OK?
Yes, please. That's what I've been requesting.
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It's propaganda.

https://www.aier.org/article/imperia...models-failed/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/u...ntl/index.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ying-home.html


Obviously they rehired the Neil to do another round of propaganda.
What are you on about mate?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
This implies that the protection against infection by Omicron afforded by vaccination may be as low as x per cent."


0%
20%
55%
80%

The smallest number out of those is the number that goes in that sentence, to be a similarly sensationalized sentence like the one you thought was informative and essential to the OP.
So your argument is that both AZ and Pfizer afford as little at 0% protection, regardless of number of doses?

Thanks for stating a position!

I don't think it's valid to take the lowest CI boundary as a substitute for a combined CI lower bound.

Also, given what we know about antibody levels over time, I don't think it's valid to collapse across different numbers of doses.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
"This implies that the protection against infection by Omicron afforded by vaccination may be as low as 0 per cent.
Right. That's what I posted above.
So your argument is that any number of AZ or Pfizer doses affords as little at 0% protection?
Is your argument specific to omicron?

I still don't think it's a valid calculation.

Do you think there should be estimates for different numbers of infections or time since last infection to account for waning immunity after infection?
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