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I guess questioning the veracity of the information isn't permitted, either.
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Originally Posted By gixxer0.6g⏩
I don't think it will ever come out. Fauci was caught in emails covering up hundreds of doctors stating how bad the lock downs would be and it wasn't even mentioned on MSM.

The only thing that I don't think they can cover up is all the kids dying and being severely injured from the vax. It's too difficult to ignore.
They will call it post pandemic stress disorder and the masses will swallow it. Best you can hope for is to persuade some real life friends
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can someone explain how Thomson Reuters is suppressing iinformation? I thought they provide an index, like Scopus, or an impact factor.

Instead of being drawn into agreeing before answering, I answered the question in a way that expresses my actual position.

For me, the concern is regarding the amplification, suppression, and misinterpretation of information from both mainstream and alternative outlets.
Reuters has a lead role in the Trusted News Initiative, which is providing fact checking guidance to Social Media companies. I didn't state they were suppressing information, but I do worry its a perfect situation for it.

My underlying concern is that in publicly traded companies the CEO and Board Members are primarily responsible for oversight and direction to protect shareholder value.

In a time when news is struggling (and Pharma companies flush with cash are spending record numbers on advertising) there is a direct financial incentive to shareholders in providing positive editorial slants supporting the most profitable pharma windfall product in history.

Add in a Reuters CEO (now stepped down some months ago) who holds major shares in Thompson Reuters, as well as a current senior Board position and major share holdings at Pfizer, I think it is obvious this is a scenario that will produce editorial influence.



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Answering loaded questions is tricky.
Didnt strike me as that loaded a question.

I try to start with relatively simple ones. Helps find common ground in discussion. Seeing peoples reactions to simple questions helps display how strong a political bias they may have as well.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
Reuters has a lead role in the Trusted News Initiative, which is providing fact checking guidance to Social Media companies. I didn't state they were suppressing information, but I do worry its a perfect situation for it.

My underlying concern is that in publicly traded companies the CEO and Board Members are primarily responsible for oversight and direction to protect shareholder value.

In a time when news is struggling (and Pharma companies flush with cash are spending record numbers on advertising) there is a direct financial incentive to shareholders in providing positive editorial slants supporting the most profitable pharma windfall product in history.

Add in a Reuters CEO (now stepped down some months ago) who holds major shares in Thompson Reuters, as well as a current senior Board position and major share holdings at Pfizer, I think it is obvious this is a scenario that will produce editorial influence.







Didnt strike me as that loaded a question.

I try to start with relatively simple ones. Helps find common ground in discussion. Seeing peoples reactions to simple questions helps display how strong a political bias they may have as well.
My impressions from the Trusted News Initiative is that it's a superb infrastructure to ensure only leading mainstream news organizations can be used as valid sources for fact-checkers, which themselves lack the expertise to be authorities on covid and are mainly an army of journalists running defense for the hand that feeds them. It also ensures their reporting precludes all alternative news reporting, regardless of it's orientation to the truth. Anything else can be written off and censored to protect "public health"

So when mainstream news organizations are overwhelmingly bias (which they very clearly are) and have conflicts of interest (pharmaceutical ad revenue) you got a problem.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
My impressions from the Trusted News Initiative is that it's a superb infrastructure to ensure only leading mainstream news organizations can be used as valid sources for fact-checkers, which themselves lack the expertise to be authorities on covid and are mainly an army of journalists running defense for the hand that feeds them. It also ensures their reporting precludes all alternative news reporting, regardless of it's orientation to the truth. Anything else can be written off and censored to protect "public health"

So when mainstream news organizations are overwhelmingly bias (which they very clearly are) and have conflicts of interest (pharmaceutical ad revenue) you got a problem.
There is some bias in all reporting, but the 'all sides do it' is a bad argument when one groups messaging is defacto weighted higher in default newsfeeds for the majority of the population. It makes it a bad situation.

Add the fact that competing news orgs (BBC, Reuters, AP, CBC) are now huddling together to make sure they all have the same messaging, and add the fact that Pharma is bucketing out huge advertising budgets to these orgs (with the obvious editorial pressure that brings) and it is the death of journalism.

Any story that doesn't match the board approved narrative is being pre-defined as misinformation, and anyone reporting differently is now subject to de-platforming and treated like some PatriotPress.org blogspam. Its a horrible place to put yourself.
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All this and I am still being told if I don't produce a hokey pokey card by 2/1, I will be fired from my job

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Originally Posted By engj⏩
Didnt strike me as that loaded a question.

I try to start with relatively simple ones. Helps find common ground in discussion. Seeing peoples reactions to simple questions helps display how strong a political bias they may have as well.
It's struck me as loaded because it was double-barrelled.

I shared my concerned with how social media is used and essentially weaponized to divide people. But, I don't share Malone's concerns, specifically. Given what he presents and how he presents it, I don't see him as being "pro information".

But I come from a time before pre-prints and bar charts on Twitter were taken as scientific fact.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It's struck me as loaded because it was double-barrelled.

I shared my concerned with how social media is used and essentially weaponized to divide people. But, I don't share Malone's concerns, specifically. Given what he presents and how he presents it, I don't see him as being "pro information".

But I come from a time before pre-prints and bar charts on Twitter were taken as scientific fact.
I don't get where the second barrel was, other than you feeling boxed in to having to admit a shared concern with someone you have obviously written off as fake news. I was specific to the point that we are at real risk of structural propaganda driven by Pharma. And I'm not talking about weaponization or division, that spiked years before Covid. Truthfully this more about how they are very effective at driving fear.

Pharma companies have taken tens of billions in criminal and regulatory penalties for false claims, kickbacks, shoddy research with fudged results, and just outright fraud in just the last couple decades. Now the general population is so desperate from the endless fear of the last 18mo that they have successfully whitewashed their reputation (with help of corporate media) as saviors.

Its gotten to the point we have their CEO's on twitter making recommendations on how often we need to take their products 'for our own safety', and anyone who objects or attempts to provide any information to the contrary is labeled 'misinformation' by social media's trusted fact checkers and is effectively muzzled. And we got there in 18 months, its an insane turnaround.

And it's not that I immediately think that pharma=bad and they are all liars, but the shutdown of discussion is telling. Truth holds up to scrutiny and debate, why do these companies need dissent to be shut down so hard? Its insane how complacent we've gotten. It's worse than complacent, the framing of this as a us/them issue has effectively turned half the country into propagandists in support of the narrative, because the 'other' side is obviously lying.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
I don't get where the second barrel was, other than you feeling boxed in to having to admit a shared concern with someone you have obviously written off as fake news. I was specific to the point that we are at real risk of structural propaganda driven by Pharma. And I'm not talking about weaponization or division, that spiked years before Covid. Truthfully this more about how they are very effective at driving fear.

Pharma companies have taken tens of billions in criminal and regulatory penalties for false claims, kickbacks, shoddy research with fudged results, and just outright fraud in just the last couple decades. Now the general population is so desperate from the endless fear of the last 18mo that they have successfully whitewashed their reputation (with help of corporate media) as saviors.

Its gotten to the point we have their CEO's on twitter making recommendations on how often we need to take their products 'for our own safety', and anyone who objects or attempts to provide any information to the contrary is labeled 'misinformation' by social media's trusted fact checkers and is effectively muzzled. And we got there in 18 months, its an insane turnaround.

And it's not that I immediately think that pharma=bad and they are all liars, but the shutdown of discussion is telling. Truth holds up to scrutiny and debate, why do these companies need dissent to be shut down so hard? Its insane how complacent we've gotten. It's worse than complacent, the framing of this as a us/them issue has effectively turned half the country into propagandists in support of the narrative, because the 'other' side is obviously lying.
I guess that's where our opinions differ. I see two main sources of fear being driven and each have their target/base.

Fear the present - covid is dangerous, vaccines are harmless, so give up your freedom for safety.

Fear the future - covid is no big deal, vaccines are dangerous, so fight against pharma and the leftist/mainstream/consensus plot to steal your freedom through global communism.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I guess that's where our opinions differ. I see two main sources of fear being driven and each have their target/base.

Fear the present - covid is dangerous, vaccines are harmless, so give up your freedom for safety.

Fear the future - covid is no big deal, vaccines are dangerous, so fight against pharma and the leftist/mainstream/consensus plot to steal your freedom through global communism.
I think its where we agree, fear is the tool. Fear of social disapproval has killed more honest discussion than anything.

I don't need to answer any of these criticisms, we have trusted fact checked news organizations showing us that if you are arguing for issue A you are in allegiance with issue B and C. This means we don't even need to listen to A, just punt that nutjob from the platform. Half of modern journalism seems to be smearing people with beliefs they don't hold so we can disregard them.

There is a push to assign everyone into one of two camps (no Australia), and the price you pay for stepping out of one of them is a good way to keep people from picking at inconvenient truths. Keep it up and we'll turn the mob against you.

When one of these sides has the worlds largest pharma and media corporations with trillions of dollars of market cap at stake, and the ability to shut down public discussion entirely things get really fukcy. I really dont like how fukcy things are getting, there is bad historical precedent.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
I think its where we agree, fear is the tool. Fear of social disapproval has killed more honest discussion than anything.

I don't need to answer any of these criticisms, we have trusted fact checked news organizations showing us that if you are arguing for issue A you are in allegiance with issue B and C. This means we don't even need to listen to A, just punt that nutjob from the platform. Half of modern journalism seems to be smearing people with beliefs they don't hold so we can disregard them.

There is a push to assign everyone into one of two camps (no Australia), and the price you pay for stepping out of one of them is a good way to keep people from picking at inconvenient truths. Keep it up and we'll turn the mob against you.

When one of these sides has the worlds largest pharma and media corporations with trillions of dollars of market cap at stake, and the ability to shut down public discussion entirely things get really fukcy. I really dont like how fukcy things are getting, there is bad historical precedent.
Great points! Thanks for the civil discussion!
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Originally Posted By letitride0⏩
All this and I am still being told if I don't produce a hokey pokey card by 2/1, I will be fired from my job

Fuggin clown world
Hold the line brah.

It hasn't happened at my job yet but it will 100% soon enough.

I will die on this hill.
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Originally Posted By CanuckGame⏩
Hold the line brah.

It hasn't happened at my job yet but it will 100% soon enough.

I will die on this hill.
Or not die, as it were
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Couldn’t make it past five mins, dude voice was dull af.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Great points! Thanks for the civil discussion!
Just trying to pick at inconvenient truths. I am not the only double vaxxed universal heathcare supporter whose been called an anti-vaxx q-anon nutjob. My professional working knowledge of surficial geology gets me labeled as a climate denier about half the time as well. Its tough to find center these days.
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Typical misc these days. They refuse to believe "mainstream" information, but any contrarian information is wholeheartedly believed without question. And you guys call everyone else sheep?
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Originally Posted By guitarwar241⏩
Typical misc these days. They refuse to believe "mainstream" information, but any contrarian information is wholeheartedly believed without question. And you guys call everyone else sheep?
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
Just trying to pick at inconvenient truths. I am not the only double vaxxed universal heathcare supporter whose been called an anti-vaxx q-anon nutjob. My professional working knowledge of surficial geology gets me labeled as a climate denier about half the time as well. Its tough to find center these days.
Media, either mainstream or alternative, are tasked with making information "consumable". Very, very rarely are scientific articles validly summarized.

I'm glad to see journal articles entering public awareness. Not many people paid anything prior to covid.

However, not only does public awareness shine a spotlight on science, which has some serious shortcomings, but it also highlights the importance of objective reporting. We're definitely not seeing objective reporting.
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Originally Posted By Yoopwat⏩
Couldn’t make it past five mins, dude voice was dull af.
Maybe try ********? I couldn't turn it off.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Media, either mainstream or alternative, are tasked with making information "consumable". Very, very rarely are scientific articles validly summarized.

I'm glad to see journal articles entering public awareness. Not many people paid anything prior to covid.

However, not only does public awareness shine a spotlight on science, which has some serious shortcomings, but it also highlights the importance of objective reporting. We're definitely not seeing objective reporting.
It’s beyond just the media. When the FDA implies that ivermectin is only used in horses and says it shouldn’t be used to treat Covid 19 we have much bigger issues than just “media spinning things”. When the CDC ignores countless studies and then spins up one designed to tell them what they want to hear, and then uses it to guide public policy regardless of the evidence that suggests they are wrong…..or they shut down anyone who questions the lockdowns and points out potential dangers and health concerns that go along with them it isn’t just “oh the media wants to divide us”. There’s a lot more going on. You can plainly see it regardless of whether or not you will admit it. Which we know you want. You cant even bring yourself to criticize the people implementing these terrible policies unless it’s in the form of some vague “oh both sides are bad”. And I’m still waiting for you to list the top 5 statements that Malone said which you disagree with. But you can just go with 3 if that’s easier for you.
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7 pages and I've seen no refutations

Is this normal in these threads?
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Originally Posted By JaegerBrah⏩
Why are they so afraid of what we listen to and believe?

No, really. Why are they constantly trying to censor what the majority of people on this forum believe? We're not some fringe group of society. I talk to guys at work and in the gym and we're almost always on the same page. The only place where you see people like us outnumbered would be places like reddit and twitter. I am convinced a lot of reddit/twitter accounts are fake at this point.


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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
It’s beyond just the media. When the FDA implies that ivermectin is only used in horses and says it shouldn’t be used to treat Covid 19 we have much bigger issues than just “media spinning things”.
When the CDC ignores countless studies and then spins up one designed to tell them what they want to hear, and then uses it to guide public policy regardless of the evidence that suggests they are wrong…..
Is this in relation to ivermectin? Didn't they do a relatively complete lit review in their last update? Which studies did they ignore?
or they shut down anyone who questions the lockdowns and points out potential dangers and health concerns that go along with them it isn’t just “oh the media wants to divide us”. There’s a lot more going on. You can plainly see it regardless of whether or not you will admit it.
I haven't said anything about lockdowns. But, I agree there is a lot more going on. I just don't think it's exclusively Democrats or "the left" manipulating and pulling strings. I don't think the Republicans or the "the right" have individual citizens' best interests in mind, either.
Which we know you want.
What do you know I want? You lost me here.
You cant even bring yourself to criticize the people implementing these terrible policies unless it’s in the form of some vague “oh both sides are bad”. And I’m still waiting for you to list the top 5 statements that Malone said which you disagree with. But you can just go with 3 if that’s easier for you.
I find it intriguing how demands are used in Misc discussions.


I disagree that there are no studies or pre-prints regarding vaccines and long covid.

I disagree that pepsid is the answer. I also disagree that he's not personally invested.

I disagree that vaccines are conclusively disrupting women's menstrual cycles.

I disagree that anyone who tests positive is being listed with covid as the primary cause of death - even if you restrict his claims to just the US.

I disagree that all hospital are lying to cash in. However, there are additional funds for covid deaths, for medicare-funded patients.

I disagree with how he presents the Maddie de Garay case - clearly sensationalizing.

His newly created term "Mass Formation Psychosis" sure is catching on though.
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
Why are they so afraid of what we listen to and believe?
Theres billions upon billions of dollars at stake.

The profit motive has become so strong that states like CA are considering mandates for children.... If you can't see through that, then you are hopeless.

They're requiring jabs for people who literally just recovered from covid.

This PROVES that everything you see in MSM is sponsored by these companies, and they want more money.

Nobody i know under 60 got jabbed because of covid, they did it because of potential mandates. The US Marines lost more soldiers to the mandate than the entire military lost to covid deaths. If you still believe in the jabs, you're beyond NPC status; you're a deliberate traitor.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
If you still believe in the jabs, you're beyond NPC status; you're a deliberate traitor.
That's the false dichotomy I've been trying to convey.

Both sides are doing what they can to create an enemy.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's the false dichotomy I've been trying to convey.

Both sides are doing what they can to create an enemy.
Megayachts arent free, jabs ARE.
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It's not Jenny McCarthy talking about 40 year old vaccine that can be tested for mercury content.

These absolutely qualified, Ivy League educated, seasoned and published doctors go against the news parrot narrative grain and it makes people uncomfortable in having to think and change their opinion.

Post any podcast where a doctor on the other side of this can fully articulate the same kinds of conversation, other than saying "there's no excuse, get the vaccine".

Thereareother options, in this and other countries, which are being suppressed for -whatever reason- (money).
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