Pharma is the ones who made the deal with congress. They control all of the data that is given to the CDC (very similar to how the health insurance companies wrote the Obama care act which is why "we have to pass the Obamacare act to find out whats in the Act") and the CDC "trusts" it for some dumb fukking reason. Its all a (((money))) making scheme IMO. Possibly also a social experiment.

When it became dangerous to the left.

Listen to the Joe ROgan Podcast with Peter Mucullough and the other with RObert Malone. Youtube has deleted all clips with both of those and if you google their names you'll find hit pieces allllllll over the place
Spotify LInks
Dr Malone
John Abramsonon (Hard educated, Pharma litigator and author)
Peter Mucullough

Chit will make you fukking angry, wisen you up, lose what little faith you have in our government, want to relocate off grid, break out the guillotine..etc

This is a good quote.

And with liberals having hijacked scientific journals, they can ''consensus' by only publishing studies that align with their talking points.
That has been the nail in the coffin for legit science when anything that questions the agenda just wouldn't get published.

Like that study OP posted about migrants dying cuz of climate change and not because they're walking across a desert without water.

I'm not going to say you're a sheep if that's what you believe. My entire point was the lack of discussion and debate, and how anyone who questions the vaccines at all gets shouted down as being a "science denier." And how any criticism or questioning gets censored and immediately shut down.

As far as the safety, its more than just "random people online." What about VAERS? Are all those people just making stuff up in large numbers to cause such a high percentage increase in reports of adverse effects compared to traditional vaccines?

Also as far as it being "effective," how come COVID is still raging on and cases are higher than ever? I thought the entire purpose of a vaccine was to prevent acquiring and spreading the virus? Yet with these vaccines, you can still catch COVID and spread it. With Omicron, everyone I know who got it personally who had the booster, experienced the worst symptoms. I caught it myself and just had a slight cough for a couple of days.

Why is there no talk of natural immunity and herd immunity from those that caught COVID? My suspicion is that would hurt the profits of the politicians and pharmaceutical companies.

There were no long term studies or trials. Hence the EUA from the FDA.

and that's the whole point.

Spewing nonsense for notoriety and incitement.

how is it nonsense? Have you listened to the episodes or are you just repeating what blue checks told you to say? Muccullough and Especially Malone are Experts and are fully qualified to speak ont he subject. Abramson is a pharma litigator and is most defin itely qualified to speak on the effed up pharma situation in americas.

Yes I listened to them.

McCullough wasn't as ridiculous as Malone. Everything is politically charged these days, but freedom of speech and broadcasting lies are different things.

This is how. If you don't understand this then you don't understand anything these days.


What Is the Great Reset?
Michael Rectenwald
LINK:https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/what-is-the-great-reset/

If anyone is pressed for time you can scroll down to the 12th paragraph and start with the paragraph that begins

"The Great Reset aims to usher in a bewildering economic amalgam .... "

and read until the end. If you don't understand the Great Reset yet then after this ten minutes of reading you'll have a better understanding than 98% of people in the US now.

This is the best accurate short summary I've come across this month. It's from a highly intelligent, highly educated, highly experienced, and highly read scholar who understands the Great Reset intimately.

Why argue with an obvious corporate schill? Just put on ignore and carry on.

If you can't counter, censor

When it became about power. Hitler also used science to further his agenda. Secularism is yet another collectivist in determinist group. Atheist can be very easy to control through scientific propaganda.

Health in general is another part of it. Health is some thing that we all have in common, and dictators have found that it can be exploited to influence, fear monger, and control masses of people. Again, much of Hitler‘s science was about health. He was actually obsessed over the topic, as stated in mini books, one of which mentioned he would take like three baths per day

But J.L.C says the FDA and pfizer have nothing to do with each other.

That's a poor claim to quote ratio

If you're gonna make stuff up, you might to avoid proving you made it up

In January 2015, Robert Califf was appointed Deputy Commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration's Office of Medical Products and Tobacco, "second in scope only to being commissioner".[4][6] In February 2015, Califf was cited as a possible successor to Margaret Hamburg, the outgoing Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.[18] and in September 2015, President Barack Obama nominated him to be the next FDA commissioner.[1] In February 2016, the US Senate confirmed Califf as commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration by a vote of 89-4. Dr. Califf stepped down from the post of FDA commissioner on January 20, 2017.[2]

On November 12, 2021, President Biden announced he was nominating Califf to return as head of the FDA.[19], replacing acting commissioner Dr. Janet Woodcock.

Califf worked very closely with pharmaceutical companies at the Duke clinical trials center "convincing them to do large, expensive, and, for Duke, profitable clinical trials."[12] He was a paid consultant for Merck Sharp & Dohme, Johnson & Johnson, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, and Eli Lilly per ProPublica from 2009 to 2013. The largest consulting payment was $87,500 by Johnson & Johnson in 2012, and "most of funds for travel or consulting under $5,000", which has been called "minimal for a physician of his stature".[13] From 2013-2014 he was paid a total of $52,796, the highest amount was $6,450 from Merck Sharp & Dohme, followed by Amgen, F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Daiichi Sankyo, Sanofi-Aventis, Bristol-Myers Squibb and AstraZeneca.[14] He was the Director of Portola Pharmaceuticals, Inc. from July 2012 to January 26, 2015,[13] An advisor of Proventys, Inc., Chairman of the medical advisory board of Regado Biosciences, Inc. and has been a member of the medical advisory board since June 2, 2009, and a member of the clinical advisory board of Corgentech Inc.[15] Forbes wrote that his close ties to the drug industry were the reason for him not being nominated for the FDA Commissioner position in 2009.[12] Califf's ties to the pharmaceutical industry were criticized by the magazineThe American Prospect,[16] and Democratic Senators Bernie Sanders and Joe Manchin who announced their intention to vote against his 2021 renomination.[17]

The people running the FDA are on the payroll of the Pharmaceutical companies. Conflicts of interest? No way!

Politicians don't run with their own money, because they usually don't have enough of it to finance a months/years long multi-state/province campaign. Their careers are subsidized and sponsored by benefactors.

These benefactors are usually rich people, like the heads of oh, say.... media and pharmaceutical corporations.

The politicians get their marching orders from these people, because the continuation and furthering of their careers depends on them.

They usually have money, especially these days after spending a few years in politics. But they just don't want to risk or put up their own money. The only modern politician I can think of who actually sacrificed their wealth was Trump, who lost $700 million over his time in office.

The rest whore themselves out to benefactors like you said. Then once they get in office, they do favors for those benefactors, while skimming money off the side for themselves through things like backroom deals and insider trading.

Then usually once they leave office, they all do a book deal and paid speeches at $100,000 per pop, which is the perfect way to launder money to themselves.

That’s a lot of words to say your parents are brother and sister.

I hear there might be money in commodities and members of the military industrial complex (Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, etc), too.

Typical response. You actually proved my point in another post I made in this thread where people like you are incapable of debate and instead cling to moral superiority and just dismiss differing views with the same, tired insults.

"Hurr durr only inbred rednecks question muh settled science! I'm so educated and enlightened!"

Bro you’re literally a potato. You’re the same type of potato who gets mad when the guidelines change as we learn more and then cry “big pharma and cdc don’t know anything”.

Also just lol at trusting in a virus over science made vaccines.

"Science made vaccines."

Are those like the "science made drugs" that companies like Pfizer put on the market that ended up harming people?

But how can that be? Science is an absolute to you. Its a declarative statement of "I'm right" and "its settled."

Apparently my entire point on what the actual purpose of science is went over your head.

And yes, I trust a virus with a 99.8% survival rate over an experimental vaccine using new mRNA technology with very little long term testing that is fully backed by pharmaceutical-controlled media and government, all with a profit motive, who all have a curious habit of shutting down any debate or questioning of said "vaccine."

I hear that, I'll try to have some honest discussion and debate here...

VAERS is not scientific data, it's basically a large list of anecdotal evidence. Even VAERS itself says this:

When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

In my opinion the reason for such a large number of new reports to VAERS is two-fold: one, because of all the people who speak out against trusting the vaccine, and two, because of the huge amount of people who are getting the vaccine in a short amount of time. To the first point, I would assume that someone who gets the moderna vaccine and feels a heart flutter (whether it's because of the vaccine or not) would FAR be more likely to report it to VAERS than they would have three years ago if they felt the same feeling after a flu vaccine. Furthermore, I hadn't even heard of VAERS before covid so if I had a bad reaction to the flu vaccine three years ago I wouldn't have even known to report it. And to the second point, we have hundreds of millions of people getting the vaccines and boosters in the last year alone. To my knowledge I don't think the world has ever seen so many people get so many shots in such a short amount of time. It's inevitable that there will be a large number of reported bad reactions, whether they are legitimate or just the placebo effect.

The vaccine was made and put into trials for the original strain of covid which was found to be extremely effective against. It's obvious that it's not nearly as effective against the current strain. I'm not gonna deny that. It appears that covid is similar to the common colds which mutate too quickly to have effective vaccines. That still doesn't negate the fact that it was extremely effective against the original strain. Again, I'm pro vaccines when they have been proven effective. I got the vaccine as soon as I could last year to protect me against the more dangerous original strain. Would I get the vaccine now to protect me against omicron? Most likely not.

I do hear about natural immunity, actually Fauci just talked about it the other day saying how as long as a new variant which doesn't arise which can elude the immunity to omicron, the pandemic should die down soon based off the natural immunity of omicron. He said that two days ago. However assuming that an effective vaccine can stop infection, it's far far far better for numerous reasons to get vaccine immunity rather than natural immunity. That's a simple scientific fact. Before it was known that the covid vaccines didn't offer as good protection as hoped for, I'd assume many scientists were pushing vaccine immunity rather than natural immunity for this reason. Big pharma was probably pushing it for the money.

Obviously there were no long term studies, that's just something you need to accept when a vaccine is created during an active pandemic. There's nothing you can do about that but wait

you didnt answer my question. at all. you deflected.
i mean, i dont know who he is, but you make a good point. I dont expect him to answer my question at all. Just repeat leftist talking points as if it isnt at all weird that "the science" ALWAYS conveniently supports whatever the left and, ironically, the healthcare and big pharma wants it to.
thats literally what has been happening. Any open debate regarding covid, how its been handled, ESPECIALLY why the gov HASNT proffered a plan to actively combat the spread with prophylactic drugs like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Instead, they say its not proven to work and then let CNN go on sewing circle tirades saying "Its a veterinary medicine!!!" despite countries like India and Japan using it and having major success with it.



chit is fukked because liberals actively fuk everyone up for a play for power? money? social experiment? All of the above? who knows....the worse part is that leftist constituents are too god damned dumb to even think about questioning it. know anyone like that?

Typical lib response. Ignore all actual logic and facts and resort to name calling.

A lack of early, good science education leads to unhealthy scientific denialism later in life. People hold strong convictions on scientific issues that they have very little understanding of. You see it here endlessly. Miscers posting daily and passionately about covid. Talking about vaccines, immunology, evolution and virology. These same posters aren’t qualified to teach a 3rd grader about biology.

[QUOTE=yeshli2nuts post_id=1654691943]I hear that, I'll try to have some honest discussion and debate here...

VAERS is not scientific data, it's basically a large list of anecdotal evidence. Even VAERS itself says this:

[I]When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.[i]

In my opinion the reason for such a large number of new reports to VAERS is two-fold: one, because of all the people who speak out against trusting the vaccine, and two, because of the huge amount of people who are getting the vaccine in a short amount of time. To the first point, I would assume that someone who gets the moderna vaccine and feels a heart flutter (whether it's because of the vaccine or not) would FAR be more likely to report it to VAERS than they would have three years ago if they felt the same feeling after a flu vaccine. Furthermore, I hadn't even heard of VAERS before covid so if I had a bad reaction to the flu vaccine three years ago I wouldn't have even known to report it. And to the second point, we have hundreds of millions of people getting the vaccines and boosters in the last year alone. To my knowledge I don't think the world has ever seen so many people get so many shots in such a short amount of time. It's inevitable that there will be a large number of reported bad reactions, whether they are legitimate or just the placebo effect.

The vaccine was made and put into trials for the original strain of covid which was found to be extremely effective against. It's obvious that it's not nearly as effective against the current strain. I'm not gonna deny that. It appears that covid is similar to the common colds which mutate too quickly to have effective vaccines. That still doesn't negate the fact that it was extremely effective against the original strain. Again, I'm pro vaccines when they have been proven effective. I got the vaccine as soon as I could last year to protect me against the more dangerous original strain. Would I get the vaccine now to protect me against omicron? Most likely not.

I do hear about natural immunity, actually Fauci just talked about it the other day saying how as long as a new variant which doesn't arise which can elude the immunity to omicron, the pandemic should die down soon based off the natural immunity of omicron. He said that two days ago. However assuming that an effective vaccine can stop infection, it's far far far better for numerous reasons to get vaccine immunity rather than natural immunity. That's a simple scientific fact. Before it was known that the covid vaccines didn't offer as good protection as hoped for, I'd assume many scientists were pushing vaccine immunity rather than natural immunity for this reason. Big pharma was probably pushing it for the money.

Obviously there were no long term studies, that's just something you need to accept when a vaccine is created during an active pandemic. There's nothing you can do about that but wait[/QUOTE]Things just don't add up....especially to the point of mandating vaccines, for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Obviously people with all kinds of comorbidities and poor health need to take caution, even the common flu is a major risk to them. But these "vaccines" (which are more akin to gene therapy in how they operate) were rushed out, are experimental, with no long term studies and several very legitimate concerns regarding spike proteins and long term damage it can cause. These are not like traditional vaccines where they inject you with a dead/deactivated virus.

People don't trust the vaccine because they don't trust the government/media/establishment/big pharma, for very real reasons. This is the same government that has continually lied to people for the past few decades (endless wars, manipulating data, corruption/scandals, misusing taxpayer money). This is the same media that shows extreme bias and incorrect reporting. This is the same Big Pharma that has been caught in scandals and lawsuits. There's not exactly a trustworthy record from these institutions.

Its not like the vaccine is actually showing significant results either. And there's numerous cases of perfectly healthy people dropping dead within days of getting the vaccine. Maybe its all a coincidence, but no one is allowed to even question or look into it. Any questioning of this is immediately censored and disregarded.

If its so safe and effective, why isn't an open dialogue allowed? Why the need for censorship? Its like the 2020 election, where there were thousands of pieces of concerning evidence and major inconsistencies, yet it was immediately brushed off as "the most secure election in history." If it was indeed that, why was there such an effort to block audits, shut down any investigation, and censor anyone who questioned it? You would think they would welcome people looking into it. Same thing applies to the mRNA vaccines. Censorship almost always means there's something to hide.

As far as the trials with the original strain, I wouldn't say they were "extremely effective" based on the data. The only thing suggested was that there was a mild reduction in symptoms, but not always. And it does nothing to prevent you from even getting the original strain or spreading it to other people.

As far as natural immunity, you never heard about that before, which is also odd. Every doctor and scientist should know about natural immunity.

Fast forward to today, and they are now pushing the vaccines on young children, who have no real risk from COVID, and even babies. It seems like there's an obvious profit motive here. And where there's money, there's corruption, especially these days. Pharma companies are the biggest lobbyists in government and they contribute 75% of the revenue for media companies. You'll always see "sponsored by Pfizer" on the news.

The rise of Big Pharma has led to decreased average health over time, but at the same time it has led to more profits and power for Big Pharma, and the solution sold to us is always more drugs.

If people want to get the vaccine and believe in it, I think that should be their choice. But I don't think it should be forced or pushed on people. I don't see the logic in forcing an experimental injection onto people for something with a 99.8% survival rate (and that was for the original strain), the survival rate is much higher for the current variant. And I don't see the payoff, considering it does nothing to really protect from catching the virus. According to tests, I had the original strain, it was a mild fever that last a few days and I recovered within 5 days. I was fine, then caught Omicron a few weeks ago which consisted of about 2 days of a minor sore throat.

Originally we were told the vaccines would end COVID, but that hasn't happened. Why hasn't there been a viable explanation and debate on this? Instead they double down on endless booster shots (more profits for Big Pharma and people invested in them). There's also several other very odd things....like nurses dancing in empty hospitals on TikTok when we were told hospitals were overflowing and over max capacity, finding out numbers were botched quite conveniently earlier on to make it seem like things were worse than they were, how the same people pushing the vaccines profited immensely from shutdowns and how it killed over 200,000+ small businesses....but big chain stores were allowed to stay open, how politicians mandating masks and distancing were caught partying it up around other people with no masks, etc.

i only believe in science that enriches rich jewish pharamceuticual ceos and their jewish ped0phile friends.

all other sciences are anti-semitic.

Money corrupts