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post 1654781863 01-22-2022, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
BREAKING: State Department orders families of U.S. embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday: U.S. officials - Fox News

Does it mean russia is going to attack before Monday!?

post 1654781973 01-22-2022, 09:03 AM
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When everything is going to chit, always start a war.
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post 1654782213 01-22-2022, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
When everything is going to chit, always start a war.
This.
post 1654782263 01-22-2022, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
When everything is going to chit, always start a war.
covid is basically over, need another crisis
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post 1654782393 01-22-2022, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
covid is basically over, need another crisis
This man right here speaks the truth
post 1654783983 01-22-2022, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
BREAKING: State Department orders families of U.S. embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday: U.S. officials - Fox News

World war 3 here we go folks

Prepare!
post 1654784253 01-22-2022, 10:02 AM
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post 1654784283 01-22-2022, 10:03 AM
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its like Russia is allergic to being peaceful
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post 1654785563 01-22-2022, 10:28 AM
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putin says everything here

Us media wont report this
post 1654788793 01-22-2022, 11:36 AM
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia...id-arrives.amp

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Originally Posted By MisterJustice⏩
its like Russia is allergic to being peaceful
Yea this is Russia's fault. Brainwashing is strong in America
post 1654790913 01-22-2022, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
Finland would like a word.
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post 1654791843 01-22-2022, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
Finland would like a word.


that's great, cuz i'd like a word with Finland...

Spoiler!



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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩


that's great, cuz i'd like a word with Finland...

Spoiler!



touche.
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Originally Posted By MrCarrot⏩
My understanding is Putin wants an agreement that Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO.

As much as I dislike Putin, it would be like China teaming up with Mexico and installing all their weaponry there. The USA would not allow it, and understandably so.
Would this be more like USA trying to invade and take over Mexico and China says NO and steps in to defend Mexico?
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post 1654792843 01-22-2022, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
Would this be more like USA trying to invade and take over Mexico and China says NO and steps in to defend Mexico?
No, thats nothing like that. Whats happening is EXACTLY what MrCarrot said.

US is almost causing the 3WW, making all the NATO countries join it. Plus, US is almost getting Ukraine completely destroyed.



The thing is. Russia will not invade Ukraine because it would mean a war agaisnt NATO. They would get completely annihilated....
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Originally Posted By Coal
Would this be more like USA trying to invade and take over Mexico and China says NO and steps in to defend Mexico?
I believe Russia was founded in Ukraine and they have a lot of history and resources tied to it. The eastern part that is. They don’t want nato on their doorstep like China didn’t want us on theirs in the Korean War.
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post 1654793193 01-22-2022, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
members of Warsaw Pact join
The who do what now?
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
No, thats nothing like that. Whats happening is EXACTLY what MrCarrot said.

US is almost causing the 3WW, making all the NATO countries join it. Plus, US is almost getting Ukraine completely destroyed.



The thing is. Russia will not invade Ukraine because it would mean a war agaisnt NATO. They would get completely annihilated.... However if the members of Warsaw Pact join thats another story. They don't even need China.
Okay wait so Russia wasn't trying to invade Ukraine, they just wanted to keep to themselves and continue the peace. It was Ukraine who struck first and now Russia has been forced to retaliate.

Sorry my bad I didn't know that's what happened. Well then yeah if Ukraine picked the fight they deserve what's coming.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
The who do what now?
I deleted it. I know the pact doesn't exist anymore.

I meant the CSTO + China

Originally Posted By Coal
Okay wait so Russia wasn't trying to invade Ukraine, they just wanted to keep to themselves and continue the peace. It was Ukraine who struck first and now Russia has been forced to retaliate.

Sorry my bad I didn't know that's what happened. Well then yeah if Ukraine picked the fight they deserve what's coming.
Ukraine did nothing. However they are about to join NATO.

It means NATO countries (especially the US) can keep nuclear power in Ukraine territory (thats whats already happening).

So Russia doesn't feel "safe enough" with NATO nuclear power weapons so close to their border (because it can reach Moscow in minutes), but the US is not removing/moving it back ... thats the problem. US keeps pushing it closer and closer to the border.
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
I deleted it. I know the pact doesn't exist anymore.

I meant the CSTO + China





Ukraine did nothing. However they are about to join NATO.

It means NATO countries (especially the US) can keep nuclear power in Ukraine territory (thats whats already happening).

So Russia doesn't feel "safe enough" with NATO nuclear power weapons so close to their border, but the US is not removing/moving it back ... thats the problem. US keeps pushing it closer and closer to the border.
Did Ukraine decide to join NATO before Russia started putting troops on their border or after? I'm just trying to figure out who were the aggressors here.
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Originally Posted By Coal
Did Ukraine decide to join NATO before Russia started putting troops on their border or after? I'm just trying to figure out who were the aggressors here.
Russia invaded Ukraine 8 years ago and annexed Crimea (if I'm not wrong). So the relations between them haven't been "healthy" for a little while. The "tension" on their borders is not new.

However, this "episode" started because Ukraine decided to join NATO, so Russia increased the troops/weapons on their border.
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Originally Posted By Coal
Okay wait so Russia wasn't trying to invade Ukraine, they just wanted to themselves and continue the peace. Ukraine struck first and now Russia has been forced to retaliate.

Sorry my bad I didn't know that's what happened.
Nah.

Ukraine - and Belarus and Kazakhstan - signed an agreement in 1994 and gave up their nukes in exchange from a promise from the Russians that they would respect their territorial sovereignty.

Then NATO and Russia signed a deal in 1997, the gist of it was that Ukraine stays a neutral buffer state and the US would not build up military capabilities in the area, so everyone stays in their own backyard. Over the years many countries surrounding Russia - and formerly under Soviet influence - joined NATO so they became quite boxed in.

Then the 2014 Ukrainian-Russian war started by the Russians obviously threw a wrench in all of this, especially after they annexed Crimea after a "curious" referendum and whatnot.

Thing is, US has been building up said military capabilities in the area, among others they have installed Aegis missile defense systems in Romania and Poland with the original pretense that they would provide defense from a possible missile attack from the SE/Iran. Also rotating in thousands of troops and shipping a boatload of military equipment.

Russia became quite pissed at the whole "defensive missile sites" and whatnot, stating that it's bs and that they could possibly use Tomahawks or whatnots to reach key Russian cities in minutes, including Moscow. Well they're not completely wrong about this.

Thing is, that Russia absolutely needs/wants Ukraine to stay as a neutral buffer state between them and the rest of Europe - not to mention the pipelines, farm areas etc. - and they feel threatened by NATO/US slowly surrounding and encroaching them step by step.
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Russia invaded Ukraine 8 years ago and annexed Crimea (if I'm not wrong). So the relations between them haven't been "healthy" for years.

However, this "episode" started because Ukraine decided to join NATO, so Russia increased the troops/weapons on their border.
So Ukraine had a very valid reason and concern to join NATO is what my questions have been about. Based of Russia's aggression, and being severely weaker it seems like Ukraine's hand was forced, no?
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Originally Posted By GODself⏩
Russia invaded Ukraine 8 years ago and annexed Crimea (if I'm not wrong). So the relations between them haven't been "healthy" for a little while. The "tension" on their borders is not new.

However, this "episode" started because Ukraine decided to join NATO, so Russia increased the troops/weapons on their border.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Over the years many countries surrounding Russia - and formerly under Soviet influence - joined NATO.
As is their right to. This is about Ukraine.
Then the 2014 Ukrainian-Russian war started by the Russians obviously threw a wrench in all of this, especially after they annexed Crimea after a "curious" referendum and whatnot.
Okay cool. So when it comes to Ukraine it seems to me that Russia started all this chit as they were the aggressors.
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Originally Posted By Coal
So Ukraine had a very valid reason and concern to join NATO is what my questions have been about. Based of Russia's aggression, and being severely weaker it seems like Ukraine's hand was forced, no?
The US and NATO basically have to make a decision. Does the US believe Ukranian sovereignty is worth the lives of 100k+ young US soldiers, along with all the economic devastation at home that the war would cause?

To protect the UK, Germany, South Korea, Japan...maybe.

Ukraine? Absolutely fukin not
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
The US and NATO basically have to make a decision. Does the US believe Ukranian sovereignty is worth the lives of 100k+ young US soldiers, along with all the economic devastation at home that the war would cause?

To protect the UK, Germany, South Korea, Japan...maybe.

Ukraine? Absolutely fukin not
But then that's the slippery slope. How many lives would Russia invading cost in the long run? Then with their new power who stops them from turning their eye on others?

Not saying i want war but this has to be stopped now rather than later no?
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