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03-02-2022, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By wings_unhinged⏩
Based diplomatsLeaked paperwork revealed the invasion was to last 15 days.
We're on what day 7 or 8 now? Only 8 or 9 more days before Megachad Putin starts winning!
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698677
Taliban calls for peaceful resolution with diplomacy!
We're on what day 7 or 8 now? Only 8 or 9 more days before Megachad Putin starts winning!
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698677
Taliban calls for peaceful resolution with diplomacy!
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03-02-2022, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
I thought it would be over in a week. Didnt expect ukrainians to put up this good of a fight tbh.But you guys told us you knew Putin planned for it to be over in 24 hours?
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Originally Posted By roko79⏩
Can't they just use Huawei?I spoke to people in Moscow yesterday. They're ****ed basically.
Apple banned all products
No Apple/Google pay
Stock market/ruble going to ****
Can't travel or go anywhere now
They're all anti war, anti Putin, but can't do anything right now
Apple banned all products
No Apple/Google pay
Stock market/ruble going to ****
Can't travel or go anywhere now
They're all anti war, anti Putin, but can't do anything right now
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
03-02-2022, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By roko79⏩
If it was a result of defending against an existential threat to the country, or a strike against US hegemony and not being their lapdog, then that would be great.Imagine your life savings being worthless because of the pound not being worth ****. I'd be upset too.
03-02-2022, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Thought we have already discussed this.A question that I have been asking for 2 days then, why was America meddling in Ukraine?
Replace "joining NATO" with "US meddling" then, whatever. The point stands. Putin repeatedly warned the US. They continued to supply weapons, meddle in elections, and push Ukraine to play hardball with Russia. Why?
"Because they can", "nothing is fair", "what do you expect", "it's politics", well yea, and this is Russia's "unfair" reaction to that. I would say the meddler, who was repeatedly warned, and is 5000 miles from home, is more to blame.
Replace "joining NATO" with "US meddling" then, whatever. The point stands. Putin repeatedly warned the US. They continued to supply weapons, meddle in elections, and push Ukraine to play hardball with Russia. Why?
"Because they can", "nothing is fair", "what do you expect", "it's politics", well yea, and this is Russia's "unfair" reaction to that. I would say the meddler, who was repeatedly warned, and is 5000 miles from home, is more to blame.
Cold War went on for 45 or so years, and it "ended" 30 or so years ago with the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, we also have had some minor developments such as the EU - see the impetus for the Maidan protests after Yanukovich refused to sign the EU-Ukraine agreement and Putin's attempt at goading Ukraine into their own Eurasian thing - and whatnot in Europe. EU/NATO/Russia have all pushed to extend their influence, especially in the EE area. It's delusional to believe that either the US/West or the Russians would just drop the whole European geopolitics crap at a heartbeat just because Gorbachev said something about glasnost and perestroika after half a century's worth of mutual dikery and nuclear close calls.
Yes, Putin did repeatedly warn the West that there would be repercussions for meddling, too bad that he has been meddling as well since 1999 and he seems to get the short end of things.
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Originally Posted By janglingjack⏩
They probably want that cheap fertilizer and oil. They know russia will be desperate to sell.I didn't realize the ****** and Russia were so tight
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
We're all just arguing because there's fuk all going on on the war front lolI thought it would be over in a week. Didnt expect ukrainians to put up this good of a fight tbh.
03-02-2022, 02:53 PM
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03-02-2022, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Agree.Historically..
It means what it says.The WEF/globohomo/Western forces are the ones at war with Russia, not Ukraine. Ukraine is a pawn in the game.The West wants Ukraine because it isolates and weakens Russia. Russia simply doesn't want this to happen and sees it as an unacceptable concession/security threat.
Geopolitics is one massive, never-ending game of chess. And America has cucked most of the planet.They had no need to fuk around in Ukraine, especially after Putin's repeated warnings, but they did it anyway, now Ukrainians are dying.
It means what it says.The WEF/globohomo/Western forces are the ones at war with Russia, not Ukraine. Ukraine is a pawn in the game.The West wants Ukraine because it isolates and weakens Russia. Russia simply doesn't want this to happen and sees it as an unacceptable concession/security threat.
Geopolitics is one massive, never-ending game of chess. And America has cucked most of the planet.They had no need to fuk around in Ukraine, especially after Putin's repeated warnings, but they did it anyway, now Ukrainians are dying.
Originally Posted By Fozzy13⏩
I'm thinking that you did not watch the video in the post that you are replying to.Ok, so then why didnt russia attack 15+ years ago when the first countries to border Russia were joining NATO?
And how can Russia think they can threaten countries from joining an organization to help defend them? Of course russia doesnt want ukraine to join nato.Russia wants to take over ukraine and control it. Putin is struggling for power and his vision of a new USSR...im sure he dreams of a USSR like the 80s but realizes he just has belaruse and that clown of a leader.
And how can Russia think they can threaten countries from joining an organization to help defend them? Of course russia doesnt want ukraine to join nato.Russia wants to take over ukraine and control it. Putin is struggling for power and his vision of a new USSR...im sure he dreams of a USSR like the 80s but realizes he just has belaruse and that clown of a leader.
NATO is a club- not a right. If the member countries agreed to accept Ukraine into NATO then that would mean that the agree to go to war to protect Ukraine if Ukraine is attacked.
They are quite demonstrably not going to do this. The other members will not step up to save Ukraine. But there have been continuing efforts to put missiles close to Russia.
Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
Russia is a major trading partner of India.Did India abstain, why? Do they know a China rule is coming and decided to align with their warring neighbor to secure their future?
Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Yes there may be a temporary economic price to be paid, but Russia is fundamentally sound.I'm not delusional, its happening as we speak. There are about to be MASS layoffs in Russia, jobs are disappearing hourly.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/busin...hnk/index.html
You are absolutely DELUSIONAL if you think it isn't affecting the plebs in Russia. They are used to making 6000 a year, that will be cut by more than HALF. Hell their ruble is absolutely worthless right now, what currency are they going to use to buy anything?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/busin...hnk/index.html
You are absolutely DELUSIONAL if you think it isn't affecting the plebs in Russia. They are used to making 6000 a year, that will be cut by more than HALF. Hell their ruble is absolutely worthless right now, what currency are they going to use to buy anything?
Russia is sitting on $640 Billion In Foreign Currency Reserves
Russia is a net exporter:
Russia is rich in tangible assets and carrying a relatively low debt burden. They have options:BUT
- China has a clearing system that is an alternative to SWIFT called CIPS
- the US is still buying oil from Russia
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-catsimatidis/
- Russia could trade internationally with gold, or really back their currency with ANY tangible commodity which could cause debt based currency to fall in relation to the rouble
- Russia could become more closely allied with China due to not being sanctioned there and the Russian banks using CIPS/not SWIFT and that could lead to other countries also doing their banking via CIPS to buy Russian oil and grain
Kicking Russia off of SWIFT may lead to a real dual financial system and be the end of the US$ as THE reserve currency.
If anything crashing the ruble against the US$ via sanctions, which is crushing some of the poorest people in the world by driving up commodity prices, could allow western oligarchs to snap up Russian assets at a big discount.- China has a clearing system that is an alternative to SWIFT called CIPS
- the US is still buying oil from Russia
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-catsimatidis/
- Russia could trade internationally with gold, or really back their currency with ANY tangible commodity which could cause debt based currency to fall in relation to the rouble
- Russia could become more closely allied with China due to not being sanctioned there and the Russian banks using CIPS/not SWIFT and that could lead to other countries also doing their banking via CIPS to buy Russian oil and grain
Kicking Russia off of SWIFT may lead to a real dual financial system and be the end of the US$ as THE reserve currency.
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=181146843
And f*cking lol if you don't think said elite are well aware of both of these facts.
Greedy evil beasties on every side darling.
Putin's one saving grace is that I believe he is a nationalist, not a globalist. And that isn't because he is a good person, it's because he is a right bastard himself and does not want to concede control to a council of outsiders [globohomo one world fascist totalitarian oligarchy].
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03-02-2022, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By mikebadg3⏩
And a deal is a dealindia is a rising superpower you know
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
What do Soros and the CIA have to do with Russia invading and annexing Crimea? Jesus man you are the dumbest person ever to post on this forum.Why do you ignore the two Soros financed color revolutions? 2004 and 2014? Why do you ignore Open Society and CIA activity (manipulation) for at least twenty years (since 92 for the Soros entities)?
Russia being aggressive in defending itself is absolutely justified. They should have done it sooner.
Russia being aggressive in defending itself is absolutely justified. They should have done it sooner.
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Btw to the miscers that keep constantly regurgitating “nato promised not to expand bro!”
Ya that never happened. Since it’s inception, nato has always had an open door policy. ALWAYS. This even included Russia btw, they could have joined any time, and at one point Putin expressed interest in joining but didn’t want to go through an application process as all the “other countries that don’t matter” (his quote).
The thing people bring up about a promise nato made is in relation to meetings during the collapse of the USSR with Gorbachev and nato. Gorbachev though is on record with a Russian news network saying that talks about nato expansion were never had.
Furthermore, during the 90s Yeltsin made many attempts to get Clinton to agree to Nato adjusting their open door policy to exclude Eastern Europe and the balkans. Clinton basically told him to go fuk himself every time. All of this is on record.
I’ve posted the sources for all of this, real sources, no twitter no cnn no opinion pieces.. if anyone wants I can post again.
Ya that never happened. Since it’s inception, nato has always had an open door policy. ALWAYS. This even included Russia btw, they could have joined any time, and at one point Putin expressed interest in joining but didn’t want to go through an application process as all the “other countries that don’t matter” (his quote).
The thing people bring up about a promise nato made is in relation to meetings during the collapse of the USSR with Gorbachev and nato. Gorbachev though is on record with a Russian news network saying that talks about nato expansion were never had.
Furthermore, during the 90s Yeltsin made many attempts to get Clinton to agree to Nato adjusting their open door policy to exclude Eastern Europe and the balkans. Clinton basically told him to go fuk himself every time. All of this is on record.
I’ve posted the sources for all of this, real sources, no twitter no cnn no opinion pieces.. if anyone wants I can post again.
03-02-2022, 02:59 PM
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I might be falling for propaganda but I'm starting to mire Ukrainian resistance.
The Russian defense minister confirmed about 500 dead and 1500 wounded Russian soldiers.
Tons of Ukrainians sleeping in underground subways.
No fault of their own. One day they were chilling and next day they are getting shelled.
The Russian defense minister confirmed about 500 dead and 1500 wounded Russian soldiers.
Tons of Ukrainians sleeping in underground subways.
No fault of their own. One day they were chilling and next day they are getting shelled.
03-02-2022, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
ZzzzzzzzThought we have already discussed this.
Cold War went on for 45 or so years, and it "ended" 30 or so years ago with the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, we also have had some minor developments such as the EU - see the impetus for the Maidan protests after Yanukovich refused to sign the EU-Ukraine agreement and Putin's attempt at goading Ukraine into their own Eurasian thing - and whatnot in Europe. EU/NATO/Russia have all pushed to extend their influence, especially in the EE area. It's delusional to believe that either the US/West or the Russians would just drop the whole European geopolitics crap at a heartbeat just because Gorbachev said something about glasnost and perestroika after half a century's worth of mutual dikery and nuclear close calls.
Yes, Putin did repeatedly warn the West that there would be repercussions for meddling, too bad that he has been meddling as well since 1999 and he seems to get the short end of things.
Cold War went on for 45 or so years, and it "ended" 30 or so years ago with the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, we also have had some minor developments such as the EU - see the impetus for the Maidan protests after Yanukovich refused to sign the EU-Ukraine agreement and Putin's attempt at goading Ukraine into their own Eurasian thing - and whatnot in Europe. EU/NATO/Russia have all pushed to extend their influence, especially in the EE area. It's delusional to believe that either the US/West or the Russians would just drop the whole European geopolitics crap at a heartbeat just because Gorbachev said something about glasnost and perestroika after half a century's worth of mutual dikery and nuclear close calls.
Yes, Putin did repeatedly warn the West that there would be repercussions for meddling, too bad that he has been meddling as well since 1999 and he seems to get the short end of things.
You're right, we have discussed this, and we're back because you won't answer simple questions + you contradicted yourself again. You claimed that Ukraine being a neutral buffer state is beneficial to both parties, but keep going off on paragraph-long irrelevant history lessons when I ask you to simply answer why the US was meddling in Ukrainian elections and supplying weapons.
Trying to compare the geopolitical influence that the US has to Russia is comical. "They both do it bro". Another disingenuous tactic to avoid having to admit that US meddling in Ukraine was completely ridiculous and reckless. They have zero reason to be there, other than to antagonize Russia, which as we both know, is exactly what they were doing. And now we have dead babies.
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Originally Posted By PenguinWarrior⏩
You aren’t falling for propaganda, that’s what we call having a heart and human compassion…I might be falling for propaganda but I'm starting to mire Ukrainian resistance.
The Russian defense minister confirmed about 500 dead and 1500 wounded Russian soldiers.
Tons of Ukrainians sleeping in underground subways.
No fault of their own. One day they were chilling and next day they are getting shelled.
The Russian defense minister confirmed about 500 dead and 1500 wounded Russian soldiers.
Tons of Ukrainians sleeping in underground subways.
No fault of their own. One day they were chilling and next day they are getting shelled.
Whatever your beliefs are here: why would you be against the underdog defending their home with their lives?
03-02-2022, 03:07 PM
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If this war has nothing to do with the US/NATO, what is it about?
There is zero chance that the Ukrainian people will live under the rule of Russia.
Do you think Putin doesn't know this? You think he wants to occupy Ukraine long-term to control its natty resources?
Does this seem realistic?
All the facts, logic, expert opinions point one direction, while several miscers, social media NPCs, and the scumbag MSM narrative are looking in the complete opposite direction. Why?
There is zero chance that the Ukrainian people will live under the rule of Russia.
Do you think Putin doesn't know this? You think he wants to occupy Ukraine long-term to control its natty resources?
Does this seem realistic?
All the facts, logic, expert opinions point one direction, while several miscers, social media NPCs, and the scumbag MSM narrative are looking in the complete opposite direction. Why?
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03-02-2022, 03:13 PM
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Seeing pictures of Ukrainian forces foolishly taking selfies in schools, not realizing that they just admitted to purposely gathering in schools hospitals and other places that they know Russians do not bomb unlike the Americans who level everything for 40 days straight lol
I kinda find it disappointing that some, not all, Ukrainians always hated Russians and screamed about how they’re going to ride tanks in Moscow and dance on Russians’ graves, pee in Putin’s skull and so on, and they were getting Nato supplies And training for years, but now that the Russians came over and said OK let’s have that war, the Ukrainians are acting like a little bitches, arming criminals, shooting each other and Jews in the street, hiding in schools, crying to nato for help, photoshopping old pics to make it look like they blew up a Russian tank etc.
I kinda find it disappointing that some, not all, Ukrainians always hated Russians and screamed about how they’re going to ride tanks in Moscow and dance on Russians’ graves, pee in Putin’s skull and so on, and they were getting Nato supplies And training for years, but now that the Russians came over and said OK let’s have that war, the Ukrainians are acting like a little bitches, arming criminals, shooting each other and Jews in the street, hiding in schools, crying to nato for help, photoshopping old pics to make it look like they blew up a Russian tank etc.
03-02-2022, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
You are so stupid it is mind-boggling...You really don't understand? I even posted several links for you several pages ago to give you an idea of what Soros said, what Russia said, what politicians said (regarding NATO expansion), and you ignored it. Several links with more links in them. You are an idiot.What do Soros and the CIA have to do with Russia invading and annexing Crimea? Jesus man you are the dumbest person ever to post on this forum.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
I'm not against them. It's just a terrible situation to be in. Soviet occupation hasn't been kind to them.You aren’t falling for propaganda, that’s what we call having a heart and human compassion…
Whatever your beliefs are here: why would you be against the underdog defending their home with their lives?
Whatever your beliefs are here: why would you be against the underdog defending their home with their lives?
They probably have memories of holodomor.
My only issue with you and other russiophobes has been that you think it was a completely unprovoked attack. We've been through this before where I firmly believe if NATO wasn't expansionist and if Zelensky stayed neutral, this wouldn't be happening
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
0.1Where's the NATO involvement and Nuke meter at now?
NATO to get involved - 10%?
Nukes used - 1%?
NATO to get involved - 10%?
Nukes used - 1%?
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
If this had to do with NATO, explain Crimea. This ALL started back in 2014 and him wanting the port and resources. IF it was all about NATO in 2022 he could have just taken East Ukraine in Donbass and the other cities. He would have done this MUCH easier since they have already been at war. He would have had his buffer between Russia and NATO. Ukraine was NEVER close to joining NATO, way too corrupt. 10-20 years away or more. All this has done has pushed Ukraine close to joining EU and NATO.If this war has nothing to do with the US/NATO, what is it about?
There is zero chance that the Ukrainian people will live under the rule of Russia.
Do you think Putin doesn't know this? You think he wants to occupy Ukraine long-term to control its natty resources?
Does this seem realistic?
All the facts, logic, expert opinions point one direction, while several miscers, social media NPCs, and the scumbag MSM narrative are looking in the complete opposite direction. Why?
There is zero chance that the Ukrainian people will live under the rule of Russia.
Do you think Putin doesn't know this? You think he wants to occupy Ukraine long-term to control its natty resources?
Does this seem realistic?
All the facts, logic, expert opinions point one direction, while several miscers, social media NPCs, and the scumbag MSM narrative are looking in the complete opposite direction. Why?
Putin thought Ukranians would welcome them and just surrender and hand it over, he was sadly mistaken. This shows his mind is obviously deteriorating.
So if this was about all about NATO, do tell why he didn't stick to HIS OWN script with the "special operation" and just take Eastern Ukraine eh? He obviously wants to bring back the USSR and most likely isn't just stopping at Ukraine. Poland is right there as well and already has the defense systems he was so scared about.
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Originally Posted By PenguinWarrior⏩
The Russian number (500 dead) is fake and so is the Ukrainian number (6000). The truth is somewhere in the middleI might be falling for propaganda but I'm starting to mire Ukrainian resistance.
The Russian defense minister confirmed about 500 dead and 1500 wounded Russian soldiers.
Tons of Ukrainians sleeping in underground subways.
No fault of their own. One day they were chilling and next day they are getting shelled.
The Russian defense minister confirmed about 500 dead and 1500 wounded Russian soldiers.
Tons of Ukrainians sleeping in underground subways.
No fault of their own. One day they were chilling and next day they are getting shelled.
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Originally Posted By EnochsProphecy⏩
So no different form the past 22 yearsIf you are not willing to risk the unusual, you will have to settle for the ordinary
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
I've asked you 10 times now explain what Soros has to do with Pootin invading Crimea back in 2014 and you have zero answers for it, figured as much.You are so stupid it is mind-boggling...You really don't understand? I even posted several links for you several pages ago to give you an idea of what Soros said, what Russia said, what politicians said (regarding NATO expansion), and you ignored it. Several links with more links in them. You are an idiot.
03-02-2022, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
I posted the actual documents that show the Western political leadership giving assurances that there would be no NATO expansion. It was from George Washington University National Security archive. You ignored it. The 2014 interviews that you and a couple others have used go against the 1990s documents and also mean nothing because at that point there had been two color revolutions in Ukraine and Western narrative was to be followed so those interviews were little more the propaganda for justifying the color revolutions. The documents show a different story.Btw to the miscers that keep constantly regurgitating “nato promised not to expand bro!”
Ya that never happened. Since it’s inception, nato has always had an open door policy. ALWAYS. This even included Russia btw, they could have joined any time, and at one point Putin expressed interest in joining but didn’t want to go through an application process as all the “other countries that don’t matter” (his quote).
The thing people bring up about a promise nato made is in relation to meetings during the collapse of the USSR with Gorbachev and nato. Gorbachev though is on record with a Russian news network saying that talks about nato expansion were never had.
Furthermore, during the 90s Yeltsin made many attempts to get Clinton to agree to Nato adjusting their open door policy to exclude Eastern Europe and the balkans. Clinton basically told him to go fuk himself every time. All of this is on record.
I’ve posted the sources for all of this, real sources, no twitter no cnn no opinion pieces.. if anyone wants I can post again.
Ya that never happened. Since it’s inception, nato has always had an open door policy. ALWAYS. This even included Russia btw, they could have joined any time, and at one point Putin expressed interest in joining but didn’t want to go through an application process as all the “other countries that don’t matter” (his quote).
The thing people bring up about a promise nato made is in relation to meetings during the collapse of the USSR with Gorbachev and nato. Gorbachev though is on record with a Russian news network saying that talks about nato expansion were never had.
Furthermore, during the 90s Yeltsin made many attempts to get Clinton to agree to Nato adjusting their open door policy to exclude Eastern Europe and the balkans. Clinton basically told him to go fuk himself every time. All of this is on record.
I’ve posted the sources for all of this, real sources, no twitter no cnn no opinion pieces.. if anyone wants I can post again.
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Originally Posted By EnochsProphecy⏩
The retarded brain dead Pootin knob slobbers told me Russian's were all for this and support Pootin in everything he does? Why would he change a law to arrest them if thats the case?!?! Have these miscers lied to me?
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Originally Posted By roko79⏩
is it normal to be sad about them as well, even tho they're the ones attacking?The Russian number (500 dead) is fake and so is the Ukrainian number (6000). The truth is somewhere in the middle
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