Here's where OP posted a video of the same paperIt almost seems like it was part of a discussion that spanned a couple of specific topics.

As I said, thread was derailed

Says the guy whining like a bitch about what's being posted in a thread you contribute nothing to. Literally nothing.

Trying to keep the thread on topic you sick little child toucher…your post is contributing nothing. Literally nothing. See yourself out, I have allowed you to leave.

Shoulda seen the butthurt negs I got for my posts ITT. You post solid scientific argument, present it respectfully with good intention, and it gets completely ignored and they resort to childish name calling and fake accusations.





I think something might be wrong with the forum.

I'm back, after looking into this article claiming that the vaccine induces reverse-transcription into DNA. I thoroughly deconstructed the other article about the spike protein, which came from the same line of journals, so I was very skeptical of this one as well, and suspect that the journal itself might have major issues with integrity and scientific rigour. As it turns out, my suspicions were confirmed on all fronts. Frankly, this is majorly irresponsible on behalf of the authors of the paper since they're fuelling anti-vax conspiracy with this poor and inadequate science.


You already noted how it's an in-vitro cell line and drawing anything of physiological relevance from this is dubious. Right, and that's a huge caveat. They're using a cancer-cell line with a different gene expression profile and of course, all sorts of issues with DNA and RNA repair and metabolism. In addition to that, there is no proper control which is a major methodological issue. They should have used a scrambled RNA sequence to determine whether it is the vector itself or any RNA sequence which could elicit these effects. And since it's a cancer cell line it's not a good yardstick at all for determining whether this is happening in vivo, in healthy non-dividing cells. The cell lines are by design, unstable, and of course they'll have transposable elements jumping around much more than normal cells.

You can also see in one of their figures there is increased expression of the LINE mRNA in one of their controls which suggests it isn't the vaccine causing the increased expression; it could just be an affect of the time it's spent in the cell culture.


Furthermore, the concentration is unusual and a deliberate attempt to drive overexpression. The injection takes place in the muscle, not the liver, and thus I see a low likelihood of a concentrated dose of the vaccine making it anywhere near a regular liver cell such that it could cause anything near what this study described. They're forcing reverse transcription to happen in cells with overactive and loose transposable elements anyway, so we can't analogize to in-vivo liver cells from this. Too much of a stretch. Given that a lot of RNA in cells is mRNA since it's such a regular and necessary process, they don't offer a mechanism for how this reverse transcription or integration would preferably favour Covid or the vaccine.


So, ultimately, it's a nothing-burger in terms of real world implications. Also of interest is that the article cited a study claiming integration of the viral genome into cells, but it got panned as artifact. It got published in PNAS but bypassed peer review. I also believe this journal has been banned from Wiki as an acceptable source because it's been flagged as a predatory journal; it allows for its own peer-review and lets unacceptable science in for cash.


So, if the anti-vaxxers are going to complain about big pharma and bought out scientists, then the door needs to swing both ways. You can't uncritically tout bad science like this because it vindicates your paranoia and pretensions. Subject everything to proper scrutiny.

I really shouldn't entertain this, but where is the evidence I smeared chit on the wall? Evidence in my own words. Do these contend with what you're accusing me of, over and over?


I think you'll find they don't, at all, but since my own words don't serve your childish needs you'll substitute your invented reality with wanton disregard for truth or accuracy or context.

at the end of the day why would a normal healthy person take this pointless chit that offers nothing against the latest variant for a disease with a 99.85% mortality rate and the average age of death higher than the national average age of death.
and it wears off in a matter of weeks.

i wouldnt have taken reagardless on those stats alone, let alone the rush job BS that it was and is

I suspect people took it to lower the risk of infection, transmission, and severe disease or hospitalization. There's more to covid than a binary outcome of dead/not dead.

fck off

So by your logic if Pfizer and FDA came out and said that the vaccine is dangerous and ineffective and subsequently took it off the shelves, we’re suppose to NOT believe them because we didn’t believe them when they said it was safe and effective?

Do you realise how dumb that argument is?

Confirmed that you’re retarded at the least.

Imagine believing anything from the FDA/CDC because they update as more information becomes available. If I don't see some angry white guy in his truck on youtube telling me what to believe, then I don't believe it!

No, people took it because they had no choice if they wanted to keep their jobs you ****wit.

its pointless talking to that daft cnt, best to just tell him to fck off

That's unfortunate. But, the majority of people who received a vaccine did so before any mandates were in place.

This the amount of people coerced into the therapies is criminal.

And how many of those took it because they were lied to.

Oh get the vax we'll go back to normal
get the vax to protect grandma
safe and effective

all lies

I don't imagine there's a reliable source for those data.

I figure many chose for the reasons I stated earlier:

sums it up

do you know what suck my d*ck is?

shut up, bitch

You gottem Frank. Totally refuted in three simple words. Rekt!

Do a search for increased mortality rates for 18-49 year olds....any state, any county any country...

keep thinking your jab is safe.

Because vaccines are only factor?

“I’m sorry JLC, your husband’s choice to volunteer for an optional clinical research experiment subjects the policy and policyholder to section 9 subsection K of the terms which expressly state any and all liability arising from such action is solely at the risk of the policyholder. As such, we shall not be held liable for any harm that results as a consequence of such action. We regret to inform you that your request for disbursement is denied”

Suffer the consequences


Bankruptcy For Moderna, Definitely Pfizer” Posted on February 24, 2022

Dowd foresees an avalanche of lawsuits coming as the insurance industry continues to uncover the legions of mounting deaths coming from the complications of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Dowd teamed up with an insurance industry analyst and researched the life insurance claims. They found that since OneAmerica shocked the world by announcing a 40% rise in non-COVID deaths in younger working-class employees, multiple other insurance companies worldwide have seen the same thing – massive rises in non-COVID deaths. And the evidence inescapably points to the vaccines as the cause.
Meanwhile, the funeral company stocks have outperformed the S&P. “Funeral Home companies are growth stocks. They had a great year in 2021 compared to 2020, and they outperformed the S&P 500. The peer group of Funeral Home stocks was up 40 plus percent while the S&P was up 26 percent – and they started accelerating price-wise in 2021 during the roll-out of the vaccines – You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to connect the dots here.”
Other insurance companies have reported the same or worse death numbers as OneAmerica. For example, “Unum Insurance is up 36%, Lincoln National plus 57%, Prudential plus 41%, Reinsurance Group of America plus 21%, Hartford plus 32%, Met Life plus 24%, and Aegon – which is a Dutch insurer – saw in their US arm plus 57% in the 4th quarter – in the 3rd quarter they saw a 258% increase in death claims.”


https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022...ly-pfizer.html

You'd think eventually an epiphany would dawn on them after all this time.


Hmm....someone posts an intelligent and scientifically perspicacious argument against my own position, all I can do is resort to childish name-calling. Perhaps....just maybe....my position is weak and I need to go back to the drawing board?

They're not here to post their position. They're here to get confirmation bias and you're not giving that to them, so they lash out like a child because mentally that's all they know how to do.

LMAO JLC and NY PAT in the same thread I must be dreaming.