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post 1666355933 08-18-2022, 06:52 PM
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Earning a higher income is an easier habit to maintain than being frugal.

Yes it’s more work up-front. You have to either study, or grind for a promotion, or apply for other higher paying jobs externally.

But once that’s done, it’s unlikely that you’ll backslide. Your qualifications don’t disappear and it’s unlikely you’ll accept some lower paying job.

By contrast, depriving yourself of enjoyment will always be a drag, and get worse the longer you do it. You can relapse into old spending habits with the virtual swipe of a credit card.

TLDR: A higher income is easier to maintain than frugal spending habits



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Balance is probably where it’s at. Though I agree that it’s usually more sensible to spend your time increasing your income, rather than being frugal with it. Sometimes one requires the other though, at least in the early part of the game.
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I agree. My dad is always spending tons of time trying to pinch pennies and save money, and it results in him having a really chittty quality of life for a 70 year old guy worth about $50M. But he mostly got lucky, and happened to start buying Real Estate in the 1970s without actually being good at using it to earn money.

I actually earn more money than him and have higher quality of life, which is absolutely absurd.
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There's a point where being frugal is dumb as fukk, of course there's a desired balance. Do you plan to live with millions in your bank and having your inconsiderate children inherit it to only blow it on garbage? (Ded fkn Srs)
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Yea this has been true for a while. Something I didn't learn until 2020 tbh. I got too caught up in saving over earning.

Cash flow/earning creation is much more important than saving, especially in times like these. It opens all the doors.

So you are correct OP. Thank you for your wisdom. In the process of working on this.
post 1666357123 08-18-2022, 07:16 PM
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Time is money

What's the point in spending an hour to save 5 bucks when you can pull 100/hr by working

Saving money is for peasants who can't increase their income
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By the way Op, what's the story behind your income? Did you just keep buying property and reinvesting during the Australian property boom?
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Chads wirh high cash flow are living life, versus Timothy who’s savings his Pennies and rotting in a basement
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
TLDR: A higher income is easier to maintain than frugal spending habits
So you are saying I'm kind of a bad ass...

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Yeah cash flow is key. I'm a uni student and I have only begun to understand this.

I'm doing 3 majors and will be working a government-related tech internship in the fall as well as multiple research projects this year with the eventual goal of doing a PhD (or MS depending) in 2 years. Life is difficult but not "difficult" yet. Not like I have kids or a wife or any real commitments yet.

I go to a pretty good university and it honestly surprises me how many of the students here make some realllllly bad decisions during their undergrad tbh. I see a lot of people here party every other day and get awful grades in their coursework (not like I haven't but I kept it under control for when I did). Also a lot of people who major in some useless ****.
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I disagree. To make money you have to actually earn it. To save money, you already earned it and you just have to not throw it away like an idiot

Obviously you should do both though. Can't get rich by pinching pennies
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
By the way Op, what's the story behind your income? Did you just keep buying property and reinvesting during the Australian property boom?
Property was a big part of it.

Used to be buy and hold, didn’t try to time the market but anytime I could generate cash on mortgage vs rental income I bought.

I don’t do mortgages anymore, or buy and hold. I do subdivision and new development, but obviously the earlier investments got me the capital to get into what I’m doing now.

How did I get the income to finance the original purchase? Wagecelling, and a lot of study/qualifications that I got my work to pay for. But that’s a whole other story which involves a lot of caffeine and very little sleep for many years.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Yes it’s more work up-front. You have to either study, or grind for a promotion, or apply for other higher paying jobs externally.

But once that’s done, it’s unlikely that you’ll backslide. Your qualifications don’t disappear and it’s unlikely you’ll accept some lower paying job.

By contrast, depriving yourself of enjoyment will always be a drag, and get worse the longer you do it. You can relapse into old spending habits with the virtual swipe of a credit card.

TLDR: A higher income is easier to maintain than frugal spending habits



Inb4 cope
How about both? I will always be the person I am that appreciates a dollar. See no reason to be wasteful in spending. Regardless of where my income has gone, I still (mostly) change my own oil, do all my own yard work (not a small task with being on 3 ac). I always consider before I spend. I will gladly eat left overs for lunch vs spending 10-12$ on getting lunch somewhere. I still wear my sneakers till they have holes in the bottom too.

So there is no reason not to have both.
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
I disagree. To make money you have to actually earn it. To save money, you already earned it and you just have to not throw it away like an idiot

Obviously you should do both though. Can't get rich by pinching pennies
Well at some point, you have to pinch pennies to get rich. Other than random people who win the lottery or inheritance, you have to grind and save money for at least a handful of years in order to have a large enough nest egg to start investing. Also, I was having this conversation with another friend last weekend, life changes a lot once you have $100k sitting in your bank account. Stress mostly disappears, and the way you think also changes. The type of people you interact with change.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
How about both? I will always be the person I am that appreciates a dollar. See no reason to be wasteful in spending. Regardless of where my income has gone, I still (mostly) change my own oil, do all my own yard work (not a small task with being on 3 ac). I always consider before I spend. I will gladly eat left overs for lunch vs spending 10-12$ on getting lunch somewhere. I still wear my sneakers till they have holes in the bottom too.

So there is no reason not to have both.
This means you're not rich enough to really be in the conversation. I actually change my own oil as well, because it takes 15 minutes and I like to use better oil than is used in the shops. But no fuking chance I'm spending 3-4 hours per week mowing grass. My time is worth a lot more than the $100 it would cost to have someone mow every 2-3 weeks.

What the OP is taking about is people who earn like $300k+ at minimum who might pinch pennies in certain situations but they have an abundance mentality so it really doesn't matter if they do or don't.

Would you feel uncomfortable about spending $3000 on a really fun weekend to NYC with friends? If the answer is yes, then you aren't making enough money to be included in this conversation.
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If yoursoul focusis making money, you need to price your time.

If you can reliably make x amount per hour, pay somebody else to do any activity that saves you/generates you less than x per hour.

If it takes you 1/2 hour to make dinner and buying dinner costs less than 1/2 hour of your time; buy dinner.

Same for cleaning, laundry, washing your car, fixing your house etc

Your objective is the greatest net increase per hour of your time.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
This means you're not rich enough to really be in the conversation. I actually change my own oil as well, because it takes 15 minutes and I like to use better oil than is used in the shops. But no fuking chance I'm spending 3-4 hours per week mowing grass. My time is worth a lot more than the $100 it would cost to have someone mow every 2-3 weeks.

What the OP is taking about is people who earn like $300k+ at minimum who might pinch pennies in certain situations but they have an abundance mentality so it really doesn't matter if they do or don't.

Would you feel uncomfortable about spending $3000 on a really fun weekend to NYC with friends? If the answer is yes, then you aren't making enough money to be included in this conversation.
It is not that I dont spend money. I just think about how I spend it. I have plenty and a significantly higher net worth than someone only earning 300k / year. Not here to boast, but just reality. I dont need money to define me and I enjoy doing things myself. Just because I have enough to pay people does not mean I am going to stop getting my hands dirty. Quite the opposite. I teach my kids about what it means to value a dollar.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
How about both? I will always be the person I am that appreciates a dollar. See no reason to be wasteful in spending. Regardless of where my income has gone, I still (mostly) change my own oil, do all my own yard work (not a small task with being on 3 ac). I always consider before I spend. I will gladly eat left overs for lunch vs spending 10-12$ on getting lunch somewhere.I still wear my sneakers till they have holes in the bottom too.

So there is no reason not to have both.
Well that is insane.

I just dropped $320 Australian pesos on a pair of Nike savaleos, great investment

I walk around in ASICS gel at $300 a pop

My pupper is CEO 10km/day so I wear through them fast too

Still way way cheaper than knee surgery

Shoes are one thing I would never ever cheap out on
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
It is not that I dont spend money. I just think about how I spend it. I have plenty and a significantly higher net worth than someone only earning 300k / year. Not here to boast, but just reality. I dont need money to define me and I enjoy doing things myself. Just because I have enough to pay people does not mean I am going to stop getting my hands dirty. Quite the opposite. I teach my kids about what it means to value a dollar.
Hence my comment about if making money is somebody'ssoul focus.

For the vast majority of people it isn't. Most people want money for xyz (whether it is to race cars, breed horses or just have a very comfortable life), but once they reach a level where theirperceivedneeds are met, they take it down a notch.

That is healthy.

Somepeople want money for the sake ofhavingmoney (soul focus). These people view net worth as a score and will constantly try to get a new high score or get a higher score than their peers.

This isnotso healthy.
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Being frugal is so easy. It's not about depriving yourself of enjoyment, it's about common sense and thinking more than 10 minutes in the future.
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
This means you're not rich enough to really be in the conversation. I actually change my own oil as well, because it takes 15 minutes and I like to use better oil than is used in the shops. But no fuking chance I'm spending 3-4 hours per week mowing grass. My time is worth a lot more than the $100 it would cost to have someone mow every 2-3 weeks.

What the OP is taking about is people who earn like $300k+ at minimum who might pinch pennies in certain situations but they have an abundance mentality so it really doesn't matter if they do or don't.

Would you feel uncomfortable about spending $3000 on a really fun weekend to NYC with friends? If the answer is yes, then you aren't making enough money to be included in this conversation.
Um, yeah, I don't think that's an issue for him.

I couldn't tell you exactly where the line is or if it is based on a dollar amount or a time period, but at some level people go from rich [impressing other people like it matters] to wealthy [do not give a single f*k and do what they like because they have no one to impress]. See: Donald Trump eating McDonald's, Warren Buffet and pretty much everything, Elon Musk living in a $50K prefab house, etc.
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If yoursoul focusis making money, you need to price your time.

If you can reliably make x amount per hour, pay somebody else to do any activity that saves you/generates you less than x per hour.

If it takes you 1/2 hour to make dinner and buying dinner costs less than 1/2 hour of your time; buy dinner.

Same for cleaning, laundry, washing your car, fixing your house etc

Your objective is the greatest net increase per hour of your time.
I'm familiar with this mindset. And it does make sense financially, but isn't always what feels right. There can be value in normalcy.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Well that is insane.

I just dropped $320 Australian pesos on a pair of Nike savaleos, great investment

I walk around in ASICS gel at $300 a pop

My pupper is CEO 10km/day so I wear through them fast too

Still way way cheaper than knee surgery

Shoes are one thing I would never ever cheap out on
Yeah, I don't do that and I'm way too poor for the ante at this table.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I'm familiar with this mindset. And it does make sense financially, but isn't always what feels right. There can be value in normalcy.
Read my post after that
Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!

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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Well that is insane.

I just dropped $320 Australian pesos on a pair of Nike savaleos, great investment

I walk around in ASICS gel at $300 a pop

My pupper is CEO 10km/day so I wear through them fast too

Still way way cheaper than knee surgery

Shoes are one thing I would never ever cheap out on
I would never spend $300 on sneakers. But I have no problems spending 300k on a carSo go figure. Not everything has to make sense. But I am ok with spending money on certain things, but day to day items I live pretty frugally.
Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Hence my comment about if making money is somebody'ssoul focus.

For the vast majority of people it isn't. Most people want money for xyz (whether it is to race cars, breed horses or just have a very comfortable life), but once they reach a level where theirperceivedneeds are met, they take it down a notch.

That is healthy.

Somepeople want money for the sake of having money (soul focus). These people view net worth as a score and will constantly try to get a new high score or get a higher score than their peers.

This isnotso healthy.
That is a great way to put it! I greatly scaled back my pursuit of MOAR. It was unending since I grew up with not a lot and dropped out of college, I wanted to prove something. I was a very well for myself by 28 but that did not make me happy. Nothing did. By 30 I had a 10,000 sqft house and literally 3 helicopters. I just kept thinking about the next thing.

Anyway the greatest gift for me was almost being killed and suffering a broken neck and brain injury which took me about a year to recover from. I swore off 'stuff' almost completely. I got rid of all employees and closed both businesses. I have never gone back. I took a few years off, and now I only work by myself. I have less these days but am more than comfortable. No debt and could retire tomorrow with enough income from real-estate investments. But I still enjoy working and will probably never retire.

And, I just put a lift in my garage. My daughter goes off to college tomorrow for first time. I put her car on the lift and changed the oil before she went. She came out in the garage with me and I showed her how it was done.

I just cant imagine not doing thigs for myself. I also want to set an example for my kids (who are growing up with much more than I ever have) that hard work and self-reliance are the things that make you successful in life.
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I think what it really comes down to is:

1. You need to earn enough to maintain a lifestyle you can be at peace with. There are people who will earn more, but that usually comes with higher hours expectations/stress (most jobs) or a lot of risk (entrepreneurship).

2. The lifestyle you're happy with is an evolving concept. As a young 20-something, I thought I wouldn't be happy unless I had a 5 BDR house, a $60K sports car, etc. Now that I'm older and have seen the bullchit that is Corporate America and the politics, I realize that trading dollars for my health, family/friends, etc. isn't worth it to me beyond a certain point. I'd rather be fit as a fiddle and time to spend with my friends/hobbies instead of sucking my boss's balls for another promotion to buy chit that doesn't really fulfill me for a job that isn't my passion.

3. Cutting frivolous spending and investing that money has been one of the biggest game changers for me in my lifetime. Watching my investments compound, avoiding toxic people/activities I don't like just because others do it, and still being able to spend big on stuff I actually like has immensely improved my happiness.

I'm not a poorcel, btw. I make over $160K in TC (not in NYC or Commiefornia either, btw), excluding including all my investment income. I just think there's more to life than chasing after material goods or impressing shallow people with job titles.

TL;DR - earn enough money so you can spend big on the things you really enjoy and phuck the rest.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
That is a great way to put it! I greatly scaled back my pursuit of MOAR. It was unending since I grew up with not a lot and dropped out of college, I wanted to prove something. I was a very well for myself by 28 but that did not make me happy. Nothing did. By 30 I had a 10,000 sqft house and literally 3 helicopters. I just kept thinking about the next thing.

Anyway the greatest gift for me was almost being killed and suffering a broken neck and brain injury which took me about a year to recover from. I swore off 'stuff' almost completely. I got rid of all employees and closed both businesses. I have never gone back. I took a few years off, and now I only work by myself. I have less these days but am more than comfortable. No debt and could retire tomorrow with enough income from real-estate investments. But I still enjoy working and will probably never retire.

And, I just put a lift in my garage. My daughter goes off to college tomorrow for first time. I put her car on the lift and changed the oil before she went. She came out in the garage with me and I showed her how it was done.

I just cant imagine not doing thigs for myself. I also want to set an example for my kids (who are growing up with much more than I ever have) that hard work and self-reliance are the things that make you successful in life.
I worked 80 hours a week for a couple of decades and wore 4 hats for a lot of that time. I didn't have kids and my wife worked long hours too, so why not.

I was never after moneyper se, I just liked being good at what I do (and I amverygood). Money was a consequence of that, which let me do even cooler stuff, which then made me even more money.

When my circumstance changed (becoming a father), I bought the "forever" house, dropped down from 80 hours a week to 40 (half of that working from home) and I'd rather sit by the lake feeding the ducks with the munchkin than spend my time being billy big bollocks.
Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!

The only dangerous thing about an exercise is the person doing it.

They had the technology to rebuild me. They made me better, stronger, faster......
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
I worked 80 hours a week for a couple of decades and wore 4 hats for a lot of that time. I didn't have kids and my wife worked long hours too, so why not.

I was never after moneyper se, I just liked being good at what I do (and I amverygood). Money was a consequence of that, which let me do even cooler stuff, which then made me even more money.

When my circumstance changed (becoming a father), I bought the "forever" house, dropped down from 80 hours a week to 40 (half of that working from home) and I'd rather sit by the lake feeding the ducks with the munchkin than spend my time being billy big bollocks.
Congrats man! That it in a nutsheel. Lots of people dont figure it out. My oldest is off to college tomorrow. We will be bringing her and dropping off. Big day for us and her. It goes so fast. Enjoy it!
RAW lifts
635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
post 1666363403 08-18-2022, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Well that is insane.

I just dropped $320 Australian pesos on a pair of Nike savaleos, great investment

I walk around in ASICS gel at $300 a pop

My pupper is CEO 10km/day so I wear through them fast too

Still way way cheaper than knee surgery

Shoes are one thing I would never ever cheap out on
funny thing you aren't doing your knees any favors by always buying new shoes. well broken in shoes are better for you
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