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I wish nothing but the worst for the "save grandma" crew

BRB Herman Cain award
BRB unvaccinated are plague rats
BRB Jab or lose your job
BRB jab or you can't eat at a restaurant
BRB the unvaccinated shouldn't be allowed health care
BRB winter of severe illness and death

Couple family members got jabbed and I hope they're ok, but the rest of you can swallow my nut
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre⏩
It's Trump's fault for approving vaccines that don't work. He should have been more open-minded about traditional vaccines.
I am exceedingly curious what the sentiment about the vaccine would be if trump was president. Would he admit that the vaccines were "flawed" or would he say they're perfect and the bestest vaccines ever made?
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
I am exceedingly curious what the sentiment about the vaccine would be if trump was president. Would he admit that the vaccines were "flawed" or would he say they're perfect and the bestest vaccines ever made?
Like DeSantis, he would encourage people to get them, but he wouldn't mandate it. He would leave that criminal policy to the Democratic governors/mayors.
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Originally Posted By heiltrump2024⏩
the BLM riots reduced the spread of covid, bigot
all those people the mob murdered had covid?
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
Huh? I never said the vaccines were claimed to be 50% effective. They were 95+% effective against the original Covid. My point was that no sane person would expect any vaccine to be absolutely perfect - but that expectation is needed for someone to claim vaccines are ineffective because they aren't 100% perfect. (See previous post).


9/12/2020:
"The Food and Drug Administration has said that once a vaccine is shown to be safe and at least 50% effective, it could be approved for use in the U.S."
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...at-good-enough

8/18/2020:
"Coronavirus vaccine with 50% or more efficacy would be a ‘game changer,’ says trial investigator"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/18/coro...e-changer.html

6/30/2020:
"The guidance also discusses the importance of ensuring that the sizes of clinical trials are large enough to demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of a vaccine. It conveys that the FDA would expect that a COVID-19 vaccine would prevent disease or decrease its severity in at least 50% of people who are vaccinated."
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...ffective-covid
what?
95% of the people i know or heard of got covid while fully vaxxed.
and they caught it more than once.
i know far more people un-vaxxed who didn't get it.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
what?
95% of the people i know or heard of got covid while fully vaxxed.
and they caught it more than once.
i know far more people un-vaxxed who didn't get it.
Had a few co-workers who lived like they had OCD, got the jab, and even the booster.

They caught the original variant and I belive Omnicron.

I lived my life, and maybe caught Omnicron last year December, or maybe it was just the flu.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Had a few co-workers who lived like they had OCD, got the jab, and even the booster.

They caught the original variant and I belive Omnicron.

I lived my life, and maybe caught Omnicron last year December, or maybe it was just the flu.
everyone was claiming they were breakout cases......errr

now to be fair, the people i knew who never caught covid post vax were also the same people who should of caught it pre-vax but didn't because of all the people they were around for work. (essential workers).

and they weren't asymptomatic either because they took tests religiously despite being vaccinated.
which doesn't make sense to me since they insisted the the vax kept you from catching it?
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Originally Posted By uncle
Was this an Emergency?
Now the real debate starts.
They pretty much shut down the entire world over it Benny, so.... yeah?
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The vaccine was pretty good for reducing deaths and also reduced infectiousness of people since they would recover faster if infected. The thing you guys need to realize is the vaccine was made for the OG strain. We are now well into new lineages, and the vaccines are considerably less effective. No vaccine totally prevents spread. What they were calling "breakthrough cases" were either infections of new strains or instances where the vaccine didn't quite elicit good antibody responses and so people still developed symptoms and fell ill for a while. You guys underestimate how rapidly this virus evolved.

We do need updated vaccines. No, they should not be mandated, but they would be a good idea if shown to be safe.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
The vaccine was pretty good for reducing deaths and also reduced infectiousness of people since they would recover faster if infected. The thing you guys need to realize is the vaccine was made for the OG strain. We are now well into new lineages, and the vaccines are considerably less effective. No vaccine totally prevents spread. What they were calling "breakthrough cases" were either infections of new strains or instances where the vaccine didn't quite elicit good antibody responses and so people still developed symptoms and fell ill for a while. You guys underestimate how rapidly this virus evolved.

We do need updated vaccines. No, they should not be mandated, but they would be a good idea if shown to be safe.
Still want to give your life for Fauci, wincel?
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
I'm really not sure why the anti-vaccine crowd continues to peddle this lie. Statistics show vaccines are highly effective at preventing infection, hospitalization, and deaths, even against the newer variants they weren't originally developed for.




https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ntry=~All+ages
If they were so effective how did we roll out hundreds of millions of doses in this country yet watched cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to go up. The numbers were worse for 2021 than 2020 despite the fact that we were giving out injections all year.



And just lmfao at people gaslighting trying to say they weren’t overpromised. The injections were sold as the key to getting back to normal. We were told they were safe and effective and would protect you. Just take the “vaccine” and we can get back to normal and you’ll be protected. Then it became “breakthrough” cases were more prevalent than we thought. Then it became clear boosters would be needed regularly, and now we realize even the boosters don’t do much at all. The reality is much more likely that the virus just did what viruses do…rolled through in waves that were weaker with each variant. Meanwhile we are about to head into a huge recession because we stopped everything in the world except the money printers, with countless billions going to the people who profited off of these borderline useless injections.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Still want to give your life for Fauci, wincel?
I have no knowledge of this wincel person, but I think Fauci's a good dude (I actually have a family member who worked closely with him) who has been unfairly demonized and made into a scapegoat. That being said, there are things about covid's origins that need to be investigated, and the NIH needs to be more transparent with the public.

Right now, I'd give my life for the Donald just so he can come in and end the war in Ukraine. SRS.
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
If they were so effective how did we roll out hundreds of millions of doses in this country yet watched cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to go up. The numbers were worse for 2021 than 2020 despite the fact that we were giving out injections all year.



And just lmfao at people gaslighting trying to say they weren’t overpromised. The injections were sold as the key to getting back to normal. We were told they were safe and effective and would protect you. Just take the “vaccine” and we can get back to normal and you’ll be protected. Then it became “breakthrough” cases were more prevalent than we thought. Then it became clear boosters would be needed regularly, and now we realize even the boosters don’t do much at all. The reality is much more likely that the virus just did what viruses do…rolled through in waves that were weaker with each variant. Meanwhile we are about to head into a huge recession because we stopped everything in the world except the money printers, with countless billions going to the people who profited off of these borderline useless injections.
It would have been much worse without the vaccines.

You're right about people lying and overpromising. They treated you like cattle. And for that, you have a right to be upset. The injections were not useless though. A lot of deaths were prevented.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
They pretty much shut down the entire world over it Benny, so.... yeah?
One minute he claims that he wasn't scared, the next he's queefing, "What's hould have happened, people were dying in the millions????!!!!"
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
I'm really not sure why the anti-vaccine crowd continues to peddle this lie. Statistics show vaccines are highly effective at preventing infection, hospitalization, and deaths, even against the newer variants they weren't originally developed for.




https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ntry=~All+ages
I love the deflection by keeping hospitalizations and deaths in tour stats lmao. No one is arguing that bud. But the spread is not stopped by the vaccine whatsoever. Literally the CDC director and Fauci admit this fact. Stop pretending it prevents transmission. “What it CANT DO anymore is STOP TRANSMISSION” - Cdc Director.

“A positive vaccinated person has the same viral load as a postive unvaxxed person” - Dr. Fauci.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
I'm really not sure why the anti-vaccine crowd continues to peddle this lie. Statistics show vaccines are highly effective at preventing infection, hospitalization, and deaths, even against the newer variants they weren't originally developed for.




https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...ntry=~All+ages
Effective.

How many times has Biden got dat cold again now?

Strong strawman. “Nobody would expect vax to have 100% effectiveness”.
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Originally Posted By plsmire⏩
Effective.

How many times has Biden got dat cold again now?

Strong strawman. “Nobody would expect vax to have 100% effectiveness”.
Nutsy’s dat dere gaslighting
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
One minute he claims that he wasn't scared, the next he's queefing, "What's hould have happened, people were dying in the millions????!!!!"
Never scared always careful, never "queefing"; why do you get this wrong after it being repeated 200 times here?

Worldwide Cases
601M

Worldwide Deaths
6.49M

That last part is millions...... plural so yeah, 6,490,000 = millions.
This is not so complicated.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Never scared always careful, never "queefing"; why do you get this wrong after it being repeated 200 times here?

Worldwide Cases
601M

Worldwide Deaths
6.49M

That last part is millions...... plural so yeah, 6,490,000 = millions.
This is not so complicated.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
So 594.5 million survivors.

And of these dead, how many were old, fat, and unhealthy?

The data was out after the first month. This was a pandemic of the old fat and unhealthy. Dr. Birx herself said all the info out of Europe showed this. And most had at least 2 comorbidities.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
The vaccine was pretty good for reducing deaths and also reduced infectiousness of people since they would recover faster if infected. The thing you guys need to realize is the vaccine was made for the OG strain. We are now well into new lineages, and the vaccines are considerably less effective. No vaccine totally prevents spread. What they were calling "breakthrough cases" were either infections of new strains or instances where the vaccine didn't quite elicit good antibody responses and so people still developed symptoms and fell ill for a while. You guys underestimate how rapidly this virus evolved.

We do need updated vaccines. No, they should not be mandated, but they would be a good idea if shown to be safe.
Lmao no. The breakthrough cases were cases people got while vaxed. Period. They kept tying to play it off like the vaccine was effective and this was rare. That was a lie.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
I have no knowledge of this wincel person, but I think Fauci's a good dude (I actually have a family member who worked closely with him) who has been unfairly demonized and made into a scapegoat. That being said, there are things about covid's origins that need to be investigated, and the NIH needs to be more transparent with the public.

Right now, I'd give my life for the Donald just so he can come in and end the war in Ukraine. SRS.



It would have been much worse without the vaccines.

You're right about people lying and overpromising. They treated you like cattle. And for that, you have a right to be upset. The injections were not useless though. A lot of deaths were prevented.
Stop manipulating the stats by including deaths in your answers in how it was effective. We are talking about the spread. It was not effective at stopping the spread, even though they lied and said it was. Once vaxxed started getting covid they pretended it was rare and called it breakthrough cases.

Once that fell apart they then said boosters were needed.

Once that fell apart they then said ANOTHER booster was needed.


And here we are now, 2.5 years later, and people are trying to gaslight and re-write history and claim they were never meant to stop the spread. Its hilarious.
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
So 594.5 million survivors.

And of these dead, how many were old, fat, and unhealthy?

The data was out after the first month. This was a pandemic of the old fat and unhealthy. Dr. Birx herself said all the info out of Europe showed this. And most had at least 2 comorbidities.
We agree but it took time to learn that what put us all at risk, if you recall.

Somebody tell ***US_Ranger*** the guy who never posts like a man but but negs from the deep, dark, shadows that i never said people needed to be vaccinated.
It was a decision between you and your doctor in my opinion, others who posted here may have had a diff opinion but mine remained linear.

He reminds me of the grumpy old man with nothing to live for in decline but never engaging in actual spirited debate or discussion.
A punk is never respected.

Have a take and do not suck, as Jim Rome said...


"be forced to get vaccinated." he said....
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
We agree but it took time to learn that what put us all at risk, if you recall.

Somebody tell ***US_Ranger*** the guy who never posts like a man but but negs from the deep, dark, shadows that i never said people needed to be vaccinated.
It was a decision between you and your doctor in my opinion, others who posted here may have had a diff opinion but mine remained linear.

He reminds me of the grumpy old man with nothing to live for in decline but never engaging in actual spirited debate or discussion.
A punk is never respected.

Have a take and do not suck, as Jim Rome said...


"be forced to get vaccinated." he said....
Yeah but it didn’t take long to learn that. Dr. Birx said it in a press conference like month 1. They got all their data from Italy and other countries and in the daily pressers she did she said that. But literally everyone chose to ignore it.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Still want to give your life for Fauci, wincel?
That question makes no sense - I just showed that theunvaccinatedare far more likely to die of Covid.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
If they were so effective how did we roll out hundreds of millions of doses in this country yet watched cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to go up.
Same answers you've already been given: The statistics you replied to and quoted proved that vaccines are highly effective. Why did cases go up? Because the virus evolved and mutated. Meanwhile, unvaccinated people suffered the most as a result.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
what?
95% of the people i know or heard of got covid while fully vaxxed.
and they caught it more than once.
i know far more people un-vaxxed who didn't get it.
You're looking at a sample size of your friends.

I'm looking at a sample size of the entire country....
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Can't believe we're still getting this flagrant misinformation about the vaccines being ineffective or not stopping spread this late into the game.

Vaccine was 88% effective even during Delta's peak:https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-2744e4e25f2e/

Vaccine is close to 100% when it comes to preventing severe illness and death:https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/cov...om-the-states/


The only real variable or cause for concern here is the emergence of a variant that is more effective at spreading, and since the vaccine is not 100% effective breakthrough cases are inevitable. But this is simply severe binary thinking where something must be either perfect or useless.


Vaccines don't reduce transmission? Demonstrably BS. There are studies which show that vaccines reduce transmission in the community:

1. This study shows that you halve the chances of the unvaccinated returning a positive test when you pass the 20%, 40% etc. vaccination thresholds:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01407-5

2. Healthcare workers, once vaccinated, halve the risk of infecting their households after two vaccine doses:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...275v1.full.pdf

3. Household transmission risk halved after vaccination:https://khub.net/documents/135939561...e-9c9b25a8122a


Vaccines directly contribute to herd immunity since you can't spread a virus anywhere near as effectively if your viral load is dramatically lowered and your infectious period shortened. Your risk of catching it is also lowered if everyone else is vaccinated.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
Did you actually expect these to be the first 100% perfectly effective vaccines in medical history?

"They" were idiots if "they" thought or claimed such nonsense. Meanwhile, you have some very selective memory, since the initial goal was 50% effectiveness to be considered successful.
Nutsy, that's a strawman argument. These vaccines were sold as "preventing" COVID - there was no caveat. The claim was complete resistance to contracting and spreading COVID-19. They revised the narrative iteratively to fit the developing failure of these vaccines.

There are vaccines that are nearly 100% effective - rabies, tetanus, etc. Effectiveness wanes after at least a decade, not a couple of months. These vaccines also do not have the horrible side effect profile associated with the COVID vaccines.

Sorry Nutsy, but you're wrong on this one. The shots are trash.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Nutsy, that's a strawman argument. These vaccines were sold as "preventing" COVID - there was no caveat. The claim was complete resistance to contracting and spreading COVID-19. They revised the narrative iteratively to fit the developing failure of these vaccines.

There are vaccines that are nearly 100% effective - rabies, tetanus, etc. Effectiveness wanes after at least a decade, not a couple of months. These vaccines also do not have the horrible side effect profile associated with the COVID vaccines.

Sorry Nutsy, but you're wrong on this one. The shots are trash.
He also believed that nobody in the US was forced to get them.......
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
He also believed that nobody in the US was forced to get them.......
As a job requirement maybe, but you could switch jobs.
Evidently to be a Cop in Chicago you are not forced to get it, so there is that.....
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