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post 1667239033 09-03-2022, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
You ignore preventable deaths due to hospitals being overrun. Healthcare systems would have collapsed.
Covidian fan fiction and media 'what if' worst case scenario propaganda. Overrun deaths managed to actually happen in one overcrowded and poor country, India, for several weeks in spring 2021. The rest of the world had multiple, limited and manageable waves before then, but not India. They had one big wave, das it mane. Little before or since, a pattern that makes it unique in the world. Maybe the overrun scenario managed to happen in some 3rd world hellholevillagestoo, but those are a couple drops in a large bucket.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
You ignore preventable deaths due to hospitals being overrun. Healthcare systems would have collapsed.
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Originally Posted By andyray⏩
a girl last night told me you still can't fly in and out of the usa (even for stop over) without being double vaxxed?
This is false.

Just look it up.

I'm flying to rome and back in 3 days. It says no covid restrictions at all
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Well, duh. Luckily, I am close to several free thinking MDs, who could easily get me a forged vax card were it necessary. But even that was not what I wanted, because I shouldn't have to show a vax card to enjoy simple pleasures in life, travel etc.,

Dumb fu cking government overreaching tyrants trying to take the fun out of life, and shorten otherwise healthy individuals lifespan.

They were so desperate they were offering kids $100 to get vaccinated. So disturbing.

I'm not going to be an experiment or guinea pig for the medical industry. Some vaccines adverse effects are sterilization. Say if I changed my mind and wanted to have children down the line, I would not be able to bear my own children or my offspring could be born with defects.
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So when do the Nuremberg 2.0 trials begin? Fraudci needs to be the first to hang from his Keebler Elf tree.
Then line up the Klaus Schwab, Tedros, George Soros, and a long list of other evil scumbags from all over the world including here.
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post 1667240243 09-03-2022, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Yes. Last jab was almost a year ago, so efficacy obviously waned, and I was waiting to see if new version targeting BA.5 was going to be released soon. In the meantime I picked up covid - likely BA.5 or 4. Had increasing symptoms and after one bad night where I sweat so much I had to change shirts many times in the middle of the night, I went and got a paxlovid script. It started working immediately. Highly recommend it. Cough lasted an extra week, but I stopped coughing up brown junk the size of golf balls, sweats, muscle and body aches all subsided in less than 12 hours. Great stuff.
It's really entertaining the lengths to which people exaggerate their sicknesses. Hardly unique to Covid.

Brown junk? If not a silly exaggeration, that's not Covid. Go get some x-rays on your lungs, Walter. A day of muscle and body aches? Sounds like most people, who then take Ibuprofen and get one night's good sleep, and then feel almost illness free when they wake up.

Glad you can give an example of placebo effect though, which itself is very powerful. I wish Paxlovid were effective, but it simply isn't unless you're in bad health already.
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Funny how I haven't worn a mask, gotten a vaccine, haven't used hand sanitizer, haven't gotten any tests or participated in any part of this clown world coofid world they tried to create, and I haven't gotten sick. I should have died 11 times by now. How did I survive the "dark winter?" I just can't believe that I am doing the opposite of everything they medically tell you to do, and yet out of all the people in my life I am the one that is perfectly fine.

I find it funny how blindly people follow the medical system. A medical system that pushes tums, acid reducers and antacids for heartburn/acid reflux. A medical system that pushes statins over major basic lifestyle changes for people. As amazing as our acute care can be, in general the medical industry and big Pharma is profiting off of propagandizing as many forms of drugs they can to keep people sick and chronically dependent on their insanity.
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Canadian health body now recommending booster shots every 90 days. Now be good boys and girls, eh?

https://torontosun.com/news/national...-every-90-days
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Originally Posted By WHChampion⏩
Here are the frontline warrior "heroes" so busy with this killer wave about to throw another body onto the ever growing pile of covid deaths.



Heroes *clap*

I know there are miscers here that work in hospitals that were supposedly "overrun". Just spill the beans already and admit there wasn't anything to do but go along with the scam or be replaced.
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post 1667241103 09-03-2022, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Canadian health body now recommending booster shots every 90 days. Now be good boys and girls, eh?

https://torontosun.com/news/national...-every-90-days
I can't believe citizens there haven't revolted violently by this point, they were arresting & detaining beavercels out of their own homes for no reason; giving them citations for driving alone in their cars

Then I remember most firearms are banned there, convenient fascism

Originally Posted By SYKO227⏩
I know there are miscers here that work in hospitals that were supposedly "overrun". Just spill the beans already and admit there wasn't anything to do but go along with the scam or be replaced.
Oh it's been overran alright, but not by Covid infected, it was panicked people lining up by the hundreds to get tested; 99% of the time it was their allergies

Throughout 2020 you would often have to wait 8+ hours to get seen by a provider, it caused a lot of problems for actual emergencies
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
In on hourly survivorship bias thread.

Having had the coof recently, I will admit paxlovid may make vax obsolete though. Chit is amazing.
Study after study shows it does nothing. The reason you think it is so amazing is because you took it and you had very mild nothing symptoms, which would have happened anyway. Paxlovid isn't amazing, covid is just a nothing burger.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
This.

Is.

Wrong.
You lie about your education and you lie about being in a relationship with a very average older single mother.

You.

Are.

A.

Fraud.
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They knew all along the vax didnt work.

the objective all along was to see if they could mandate people taking it and to see the reaction of the population to having something like that forced on them.

Now in the future it will be much easier to do the same thing or something more drastic.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
taking experimental gene therapy sure showed us.
there's novavax now which doesn't have any genetic material and it's pretty similar to HPV or Hep vaccines btw
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Originally Posted By cramer1995⏩
there's novavax now which doesn't have any genetic material and it's pretty similar to HPV or Hep vaccines btw
Oh look another vaccine I'm not going to take because I'm not a little bitch
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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
Oh look another vaccine I'm not going to take because I'm not a little bitch
i mean idgaf if anyone takes it and i've never supported the mandates in any way shape or form but i'm only saying there are options now which don't rely on any RNA or DNA

it makes zero difference to me if people get vaccinated and the way i see it is, if it's effective against severe disease then someone who got vaccinated should be comfortable they're protected and not demand that everyone else also get it.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Spoiler!
JustSpoiler!
LOLSpoiler!
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beavercelsSpoiler!
srsSpoiler!
tfw the vaxx becomes a subscription service
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Originally Posted By SYKO227⏩
Here are the frontline warrior "heroes" so busy with this killer wave about to throw another body onto the ever growing pile of covid deaths.



Heroes *clap*

I know there are miscers here that work in hospitals that were supposedly "overrun". Just spill the beans already and admit there wasn't anything to do but go along with the scam or be replaced.
In the vast, vast majority of the cases, when they said hospitals were 'full', it was only that the beds dedicated to treating Covid patients were filled. Hospitals still had plenty of space lmao
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
You ignore preventable deaths due to hospitals being overrun. Healthcare systems would have collapsed.
No. Hospitals were not overrun, when NY was at it's peak they didn't even use all the extra beds the ship brought in, besides the fact of all these so called hospitals being "overrun" seems like every major hospital was putting tiktok videos of dancing nurses. Hospitals are always running at full capacity and "overrun" during flu season.


"Hospitals Overflow as Flu Epidemic Spreads Unabated
Deaths continue to rise as this year’s record season worsens."
-2018

"Surge in patients forces Ontario hospitals to put beds in ‘unconventional spaces’
-2017


Please. Try not to be so ignorant
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
This.

Is.

Wrong.
No. It's not.

https://www.tga.gov.au/sites/default...oi-2389-06.pdf

the S-Protein is literally in the nucleus. Antigen refers to the spike protein itself that is produced by genetic material introduced by the vaccine.

If you go to page 34. the first image is showing you transfection, how effectively the different vaccine constructs were effecting the cells..(entering the cells). When just the RNA itself was used (the black bar) the other (grey bar is the vaccine within a lipid molecule (the RNA encapsulated). Now lets move to page 35..

Page 35 shows Spike Protein inside the nucleus. Start with the top column..cells that were transfected with the vaccine 1st column(blue)..stains nuclei..where the genetic material is being housed..the next column is antibodies being tagged..attaching to proteins in the endoplasmic reticulum.the 3rd column showing you spike protein is present everywhere in the cell..the last column is the merge..blue showing nuclei is present within the cell, red representing endoplasmic reticulum, green, representing the spike protein, the yellow is an overlapping signal of the red (ER) and the green (spike protein), the vast majority of ER is showing yellow, meaning spike protein is being produced actively..you can also see green signal only in the nucleus..we are talking about only vaccinated spike protein..just as the Sweedish study showed.

Keep trying, maybe one day you'll post something intelligent
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After finding spike proteins in lesions , months after the injection, Japanese scientists are speculating that the material used to protect the vax from our immune systems may not be destructible, they call it, a zombie vaccines, you can’t kill it

Which opens the possibility of random spike protein expressions throughout life, and the implications that comes with that
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
After finding spike proteins in lesions , months after the injection, Japanese scientists are speculating that the material used to protect the vax from our immune systems may not be destructible, they call it, a zombie vaccines, you can’t kill it

Which opens the possibility of random spike protein expressions throughout life, and the implications that comes with that
link? seems like everything new comes from japanese studies, they were also the first to do a biodistribution study IIRC

reps for japan
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Originally Posted By cramer1995⏩
link? seems like everything new comes from japanese studies, they were also the first to do a biodistribution study IIRC

reps for japan
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...m_medium=email
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damn sample size is 1. hope to see more research on this. coincidentally the CDC removed the part on their website that said the mRNA and the spike quickly disappeared............................ sus
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
As usual you're mostly wrong with big doses of hysteria included, you got some parts right. You understand biology, not behavior or epidemiology at all. Any difference in virulence between the Wuhan OG, Alpha, Delta was not statistically significant among them. I'm sure you have a study ready to cite to the contrary, but then there are dozens that would say your study is wrong. In the [Impossible] scenario the entire planet caught those first 3 forms of the virus over several years, the infection fatality rate would've been much lower than in the very obese, very diabetic, not particularly young USA. A safe estimate is 1 in 500 worldwide (likely less) rather than 1 in 300 like the US. The world is just shy of 8 Billion people right now, and it's a simple division from there. We can round it up 16 million deaths if 100% of the planet were infected with those old ones. Again, an impossible scenario, but we can pretend for chits and giggles.

Reinfection death is rare, with good T-cell reasons. Over the course of a few years you could add a few hundred thousand among the global population. 50-60 million dead by now is a clown statement, even if the virus hadn't mutated into less harmful Omicron. The clown statement would make for good Karen propaganda, and attempts at authoritarian control, but thankfully it's not in the ballpark of reality.

Unfortunately by the time more than a tiny number of the elderly had gotten their double shots was ~March 2021, and over 40% of the US population had already been infected by that time, so a lot of the potential damage had already been done here. Here, the US, a bad representation of world health.

But yes vaccines have definitely saved a lot of elderly lives, some very obese middle aged people too. That much is true. Under age 50, they saved a lot of annoyance. Thankfully Omicron came along too, lowering the infection fatality rate of the uninfected by about 8x. A shame it didn't come about sooner, as it has saved the planet from many of those Impossible 16 million potential deaths. We get to ironically thank HIV patients in South Africa for that one.
Broadly, none of what you said is consistent with evidence.

1) Studies on IFR vary. We conduct meta analyses for this reason, to accurately estimate the value across the given literature and from many countries. The lowest estimate that I’m aware of, from any meta analysis was ~ 0.25. from Ioannidis. That was not for the “very obese.” That was for everyone infected across dozens of nations. Other meta analyses from generally the same time period are in the range of 0.4 - 0.7. So even if we’re conservative and go with the lowest estimate, it’s higher than what you’re suggesting.

2) We now know that those IFR estimates were based on undercounted death tallies, by a lot. They were using official death counts from countries that were underreporting C19 deaths. Nations like Russia had excess deaths that were 3x higher than their official C19 counts. (They ended up bumping up their official count somewhat). India is another example where there was a huge discrepancy. It’s also highly suspicious that estimates from China, which were incorporated into these analyses and lowered the final estimate, happened to be lower than nearly all other countries.

Based on excess deaths, global death count is probably already > 15 million.

3) Those estimates for IFR came from WH period. You are simply wrong about the relative virulence. The variants of concern that came after WH virus were significantly more likely to lead to hospitalization, ICU admission, and death. Again, this is a collection of studies painting a very clear picture.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...21.775224/full

In fact, since that was published, there have been 3 more papers demonstrating that Delta was more virulent than even Alpha.

All this considered, it is absolutely not a stretch to say that global deaths could have hit 50+ million had we let the virus run rampant and with no vaccines.

I won’t even get into your misunderstanding of Omicron’s virulence.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
After finding spike proteins in lesions , months after the injection, Japanese scientists are speculating that the material used to protect the vax from our immune systems may not be destructible, they call it, a zombie vaccines, you can’t kill it

Which opens the possibility of random spike protein expressions throughout life, and the implications that comes with that
which is confirmed in the Pfizer Document I linked above, and again confirmed that CDC removed the page that the Spike Protein is gone from the body within days..The federal agency previously stated that the spike protein produced in response to the shots doesn’t remain in the body. That statement has since been quietly scrubbed from the website.

According to an archived web page from June, the CDC stated that the “mRNA and the spike protein don’t last long in the body.”

The current page, however, contains no such assurance.

Archived webpage from June..

https://web.archive.org/web/20220601...ines/mrna.html

Current Page..

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ines/mrna.html




Also here is the Japanese study you were referring to ..I think..

Persistent varicella zoster virus infection following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination was associated with the presence of encoded spike protein in the lesion

Mayuko Yamamoto MD, PhD
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...002/cia2.12278

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Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
Still waiting for my winter of severe illness and death
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Originally Posted By SYKO227⏩
Here are the frontline warrior "heroes" so busy with this killer wave about to throw another body onto the ever growing pile of covid deaths.



Heroes *clap*

I know there are miscers here that work in hospitals that were supposedly "overrun". Just spill the beans already and admit there wasn't anything to do but go along with the scam or be replaced.
I know a few nurses and the only time their hospitals got a anywhere near "overrun" was when they fired half the staff for refusing vaccination.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Yes. Last jab was almost a year ago, so efficacy obviously waned, and I was waiting to see if new version targeting BA.5 was going to be released soon. In the meantime I picked up covid - likely BA.5 or 4. Had increasing symptoms and after one bad night where I sweat so much I had to change shirts many times in the middle of the night, I went and got a paxlovid script. It started working immediately. Highly recommend it. Cough lasted an extra week, but I stopped coughing up brown junk the size of golf balls, sweats, muscle and body aches all subsided in less than 12 hours. Great stuff.
Meanwhile, being completely unvaccinated, I had the dEaDLy DeLtA ScArIaNt and my only symptoms were a mild cough, and my whiskey and cigars tasted funny. But yeah, definitely keep getting those shots, they seem to be working great.
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Originally Posted By hackerwacker⏩
I know a few nurses and the only time their hospitals got a anywhere near "overrun" was when they fired half the staff for refusing vaccination.
That's some bullchit, hopefully they get into a class action and sue these jackoff hospitals. Meanwhile the top admins are making more and more $ with the scam.
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