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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Broadly, none of what you said is consistent with evidence.

1) Studies on IFR vary. We conduct meta analyses for this reason, to accurately estimate the value across the given literature and from many countries. The lowest estimate that I’m aware of, from any meta analysis was ~ 0.25. from Ioannidis. That was not for the “very obese.” That was for everyone infected across dozens of nations. Other meta analyses from generally the same time period are in the range of 0.4 - 0.7. So even if we’re conservative and go with the lowest estimate, it’s higher than what you’re suggesting.

2) We now know that those IFR estimates were based on undercounted death tallies, by a lot. They were using official death counts from countries that were underreporting C19 deaths. Nations like Russia had excess deaths that were 3x higher than their official C19 counts. (They ended up bumping up their official count somewhat). India is another example where there was a huge discrepancy. It’s also highly suspicious that estimates from China, which were incorporated into these analyses and lowered the final estimate, happened to be lower than nearly all other countries.

Based on excess deaths, global death count is probably already > 15 million.

3) Those estimates for IFR came from WH period. You are simply wrong about the relative virulence. The variants of concern that came after WH virus were significantly more likely to lead to hospitalization, ICU admission, and death. Again, this is a collection of studies painting a very clear picture.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...21.775224/full

In fact, since that was published, there have been 3 more papers demonstrating that Delta was more virulent than even Alpha.

All this considered, it is absolutely not a stretch to say that global deaths could have hit 50+ million had we let the virus run rampant and with no vaccines.

I won’t even get into your misunderstanding of Omicron’s virulence.
its all speculation

No studies were conducted with mortality as the end point
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Originally Posted By Slamt⏩
somehow missed this

fukin jabbie got 4-5 shots total and still got covid and had to take paxlovid

LMAO

this is what 95% efficacy looks like brahs
hahahahahah holy chit. I missed that too.... NPC to the absolute max.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
its all speculation

No studies were conducted with mortality as the end point
Yes there was. Learn to read.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Yes there was. Learn to read.
nice link!

And to clarify, vaccines studies with the end point of mortality
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Imagine cutting off the first three articles on the google search to try to prove your point with the most useless news outlet on the planet. JFL.


uhh

yeah, this really helps your case.



I was just highlighting CNN, New York Times, and Time Magazine because I thought you vaxcucks support them, but apparently they're useless news outlets when they no longer support your agenda.

just lmao.

Time to get the booster boyo or else you might get more sick and have to try another Pfizer product like remdesvir.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
nice link!

And to clarify, vaccines studies with the end point of mortality
My post was directed at Frank’s misunderstanding of virulence. The evidence that vaccines reduce that IFR is published a thousand times over.
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more people died in the vax group than placebo..... brb lining up to get jabbed!
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
My post was directed at Frank’s misunderstanding of virulence. The evidence that vaccines reduce that IFR is published a thousand times over.
Sweet, then it should be a breeze to find a double blind, placebo controlled study where the primary outcome was mortality !
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Alpha end 2020, BA5 2 months ago...no vax , quick recovery
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
Sweet, then it should be a breeze to find a double blind, placebo controlled study where the primary outcome was mortality !
crickets.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
Sweet, then it should be a breeze to find a double blind, placebo controlled study where the primary outcome was mortality !
You don’t actually think that a scientific conclusion rests on the necessity to run one specific experimental design do you? Would love to see you try and articulate why the current experimental designs for vaccine safety and effectiveness (retrospect/prospective/case control/cohort/matched/unmatched and adjusted/ etc. can’t generate meaningful conclusions. This should be entertaining. Better get to googling!!
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
crickets.
You can hop in on the question above.

Should I make a list of science-related beliefs that you (likely) hold, that haven’t been tested with a double blind design? Try about 95% of them. Idiot.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
You can hop in on the question above.

Should I make a list of science-related beliefs that you (likely) hold, that haven’t been tested with a double blind design? Try about 95% of them. Idiot.
I'm a 34 YO healthy male. I didnt get jabbed for a cold.

I caught covid from my triple jabbie gf, and she had significantly more severe symptoms than me.

sorry if I don't believe in your "vaccine".... at all.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
prevented tons of deaths and severe illness

but whatever makes u feel like you're owning the libs and sticking it to those darn doctors who think they know more than your dumb ass
It caused more deaths than the disease itself.
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge⏩
It caused more deaths than the disease itself.
CoRrElAtIoN =/= CaUsAtiOn....

meanwhile, in real life, all cause mortality NOT FROM COVID had reached all time highs after the jabs were introduced, and most countries (except the USA) moved to prevent young males from receiving Moderna's booster..... but CNN says it's ALL GOOD, so I believe that.

also, the #1 and #2 people in the FDA for vaccine safety RESIGNED over this.... but CNN doesn't acknowledge that, so I don't know anything about it.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
I'm a 34 YO healthy male. I didnt get jabbed for a cold.

I caught covid from my triple jabbie gf, and she had significantly more severe symptoms than me.

sorry if I don't believe in your "vaccine".... at all.
Nice deflection. Next time think before posting. You’ll look like less of an idiot.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Nice deflection. Next time think before posting. You’ll look like less of an idiot.
#1 and #2 in fda for vaccine safety resigned over pressure from white house to approve boosters.

your thoughts?

let me guess, they are conspiracy theorists....?
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
#1 and #2 in fda for vaccine safety resigned over pressure from white house to approve boosters.

your thoughts?

let me guess, they are conspiracy theorists....?
wait what? when did this **** happen
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Originally Posted By cramer1995⏩
wait what? when did this **** happen
December of 2021.

Here's a good timeline:

https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.co...0-a-regulatory

they have also done interviews regarding their departure.

but, pharma sponsors CNN, and biden was president.... so it was completely burried.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
#1 and #2 in fda for vaccine safety resigned over pressure from white house to approve boosters.

your thoughts?

let me guess, they are conspiracy theorists....?
Happy to follow you down that tangent when you concede the earlier point about mortality reduction and experimental design. This seems to be a common practice for anti vaxxers here. Get backed into one corner and shift topics.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Nice deflection. Next time think before posting. You’ll look like less of an idiot.
Are you mad because you genuinely think you're correct, or because you're terrified that you've sacrificed your health all because the idiot box told you that these shots were sAfE aNd EfFeCtIvE?
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Happy to follow you down that tangent when you concede the earlier point about mortality reduction and experimental design. This seems to be a common practice for anti vaxxers here. Get backed into one corner and shift topics.
I'm not shifting topics, I'm showing you why I think the jabs are pointless. Luckily for me, the #1 and #2 people in the FDA for vaccine safety agree; and that's good enough for me.
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How is the vaccine pointless if it reduces severe illness and death? How is it pointless if it reduces how long people are contagious? Vaccines are a useful public health tool. The whole anti-vax hysteria is a tirade against medical science. It's the revenge of billy bob the chitter who failed out of biology. That's literally all this is. And it's dumb.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
You don’t actually think that a scientific conclusion rests on the necessity to run one specific experimental design do you? Would love to see you try and articulate why the current experimental designs for vaccine safety and effectiveness (retrospect/prospective/case control/cohort/matched/unmatched and adjusted/ etc. can’t generate meaningful conclusions. This should be entertaining. Better get to googling!!
oh, so no end points that point to mortality?

Speculation it is then!

P.s. I think it’s time for your omicron booster, good results with the mice!
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
I'm not shifting topics, I'm showing you why I think the jabs are pointless. Luckily for me, the #1 and #2 people in the FDA for vaccine safety agree; and that's good enough for me.
So just to be clear, you don’t think the specific point that 5x10 was trying to make, the one that you thought would be a smart idea to quote “crickets” for, is defensible? He was trying to make a specific point that you’re conveniently trying to distance yourself from now.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I mean, if you discount all the lies that the medical community, through MSM has spread, then you're right.

"sToP tHe SprEAd!"

I would have preferred if they truthful all the way through, but they decided to lie, fudge data, and hide stats, all to push a narrative. And if you don't see that, you're part of the problem.
Government could have been more transparent and not lied to people "for the greater good". But if that makes you choose to just distrust medical science and pretend the vaccines aren't effective, then lol.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
So just to be clear, you don’t think the specific point that 5x10 was trying to make, the one that you thought would be a smart idea to quote “crickets” for, is defensible? He was trying to make a specific point that you’re conveniently trying to distance yourself from now.
LMAO, the very fact you aren't acknowledging what I'm saying tells me everything I need to know. And yes, the initial pfizer trial (the one used to spur EUA) showed higher mortality in the jabbed group. That's a fact. Intredasting indeed.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Broadly, none of what you said is consistent with evidence.

1) Studies on IFR vary. We conduct meta analyses for this reason, to accurately estimate the value across the given literature and from many countries. The lowest estimate that I’m aware of, from any meta analysis was ~ 0.25. from Ioannidis. That was not for the “very obese.” That was for everyone infected across dozens of nations. Other meta analyses from generally the same time period are in the range of 0.4 - 0.7. So even if we’re conservative and go with the lowest estimate, it’s higher than what you’re suggesting.
The whole data reporting system is so biased and unreliable that it is hard to believe anything anymore. Ioannidis came out with that meta-analysis of IFR of 0.18-0.25%, that's about the only study I trust.

- Tedros of the W.H.O in early 2020 compared theCASEfatality rate of Covid (3.4%) to theINFECTIONfatality rate of the flu (0.2%) to stir up panic. These are the people we are supposed to trust?

- The latest booster has been approved by the FDA after a study conducted on 8 mice.

- PCR tests (Polymerase Chain Reaction) have been used to count case numbers. The inventor of the PCR test Kary Mullis has said they should never be used as a diagnostic tool because the test was too inaccurate. Furthermore, any cycle threshold above 35 was useless because it amplified parts of the virus by up to a billion - you are basically measuring dead nucleotides. Yet this was used as the "gold standard" for covid, even if people who tested positive had no symptoms.

- Deaths from covid - anyone testing positive within 28 days of death (using the aforementioned faulty PCR tests) were classed as a covid death. A motorcycle death was classed as a covid death in New Zealand.

- Hospitalisations for covid - again, anyone testing positive for covid in hospital was in many instances classed as a covid hospitalisation.

The whole system is a corrupt disgrace, it needs to be burned to the ground. The FDA and CDC have been completely captured by the industry, and the regulators have obscene conflicts of interest.

Makes me so fukn angry that this industry has caused so much death and destruction over the last two years and people still trust them.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
LMAO, the very fact you aren't acknowledging what I'm saying tells me everything I need to know. And yes, the initial pfizer trial (the one used to spur EUA) showed higher mortality in the jabbed group. Intredasting indeed.
I guess that since mortality isn’t an end point in any of the studies, we can conclude, like reliance, that based on phizers own trial, the vax’ed are more likely to die than the placebo
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
I guess that since mortality isn’t an end point in any of the studies, we can conclude, like reliance, that based on phizers own trial, the vax’ed are more likely to die than the placebo
but we still need to do the mental gymnastics to justify GETTING jabbed.... which is difficult for me.
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