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post 1667265123 09-03-2022, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Maybe you'd be kind enough to post the effectiveness of BNT162b2?
What do you even mean by "effectiveness"?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
What do you even mean by "effectiveness"?
Fauci should be hanged.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
reliance just told us there’s no studies done where mortality was the end point of the study

How does a state thats 50% vaccinated fare worse than it did when it was unvaccinated?
Never once said that. You’re full of ****.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
reliance just told us there’s no studies done where mortality was the end point of the study

How does a state thats 50% vaccinated fare worse than it did when it was unvaccinated?
Because all the people died from stuff 100% unrelated to the vaccine. Duh
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Never once said that. You’re full of ****.
link me up brosef, I can’t seem to find one
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
reliance just told us there’s no studies done where mortality was the end point of the study

How does a state thats 50% vaccinated fare worse than it did when it was unvaccinated?
These things normally have to be modeled and you can't know for certain either way, but here's something I found with 5 s of googling.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...320-6/fulltext
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
These things normally have to be modeled and you can't know for certain either way, but here's something I found with 5 s of googling.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...320-6/fulltext
ah yes, modeling
Can’t recall the name of it at the moment, but do you remember the name of the model(out of England somewhere) that all the nations used to justify the lockdowns ?
Turned out, it was WAY off
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I thought we were using English because we were both fluent in it?

Here is the definition of the word from Cambridge:



Glad to be able to help those with less than optimal command of the language.
Well that's too vague because it depends on what strain of covid you are talking about. But here's somewhere to start. You should note though that these were in reference to older strains. You'll need to look at how they do vs omicron and the newer variants to get a better picture today.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...0of%20Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...=featured_home

Anyway, most of your questions (if formulated properly) take like 2 s to google.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
ah yes, modeling
Can’t recall the name of it at the moment, but do you remember the name of the model(out of England somewhere) that all the nations used to justify the lockdowns ?
Turned out, it was WAY off
Well you have to use statistical models to try to test hypotheses about causes of death. There's no other way to know.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I recall a beavercel model that was off by so much, that there would need to be an additional 1.8 million people in a province of 18 million ( OTOH ) for the numbers to make sense.

If I remember right, said model was used by a watchdog agency to justify decisions made by the government.



So you can't just post the number?

I wonder why, since it is proven to be "safe and effective", but the number is somehow always an unknown.
The number for what? Effectiveness of the vaccine against what strain? Then when you figure out the question you are asking, google and search for studies.

I can't read your mind, and I'm not here to google chit for you, buddy.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Well you have to use statistical models to try to test hypotheses about causes of death. There's no other way to know.
Norman Fenton, mathematician by training with current focus on critical decision-making and, in particular, on quantifying uncertainty using causal, probabilistic models that combine data and knowledge (Bayesian networks). The approach can be summarized as 'smart data rather than big data'. Applications include law and forensics (I've been an expert witness in major criminal and civil cases), health, security, software reliability, transport safety and reliability, finance, and football prediction, case for using all cause deaths as the only metric

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.co...n-england.html
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
link me up brosef, I can’t seem to find one
General pop

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

Older pop and boosters

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...162-4/fulltext

General pop modeling (cited earlier)

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...320-6/fulltext

60 and above

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2785597

Rather than asking people to find information for you, I suggest learning how to use a scientific search engine.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Is that why the beavercels have stopped reporting actual real life data?
Is that how he decided Walmart has acceptable ventilation?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
These things normally have to be modeled and you can't know for certain either way, but here's something I found with 5 s of googling.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...320-6/fulltext
"First year of covid vaccination"

Wasn't that the same timeframe that lockdowns were occurring, masks, social distancing, hand sanitizer being sold out everywhere, etc?
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
General pop

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/

Older pop and boosters

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...162-4/fulltext

General pop modeling (cited earlier)

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...320-6/fulltext

60 and above

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2785597

Rather than asking people to find information for you, I suggest learning how to use a scientific search engine.
First link I clicked had this gem:

"Conclusions and Relevance:This study found that within the first 5 months after the start of the vaccination campaign, vaccination was associated with a significant reduction in COVID-19 infection as well as a reduction in mortality."

Everyone knows that the vaccinated can and still do get infected and spread covid very, very easily.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
Norman Fenton, mathematician by training with current focus on critical decision-making and, in particular, on quantifying uncertainty using causal, probabilistic models that combine data and knowledge (Bayesian networks). The approach can be summarized as 'smart data rather than big data'. Applications include law and forensics (I've been an expert witness in major criminal and civil cases), health, security, software reliability, transport safety and reliability, finance, and football prediction, case for using all cause deaths as the only metric

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.co...n-england.html
I'm wasting too much energy on this, but without the raw age category data, it's difficult to discern anything. He's using estimates and then showing his estimates are contradicting the results. OK, but nothing is proven here. Read the potential errors and limitations section.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
First link I clicked had this gem:

"Conclusions and Relevance:This study found that within the first 5 months after the start of the vaccination campaign, vaccination was associated with a significant reduction in COVID-19 infection as well as a reduction in mortality."

Everyone knows that the vaccinated can and still do get infected and spread covid very, very easily.
They observed a reduction. Obviously, with the newer strains, they are much less effective.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
"First year of covid vaccination"

Wasn't that the same timeframe that lockdowns were occurring, masks, social distancing, hand sanitizer being sold out everywhere, etc?
yea the earlier part of the year included all that as well

hand sanitizer does nothing vs covid, it's airborne
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Try closer to 40 million. Not to mention the WH virus was considerably more benign than Alpha and Delta, which were the predominant variants in most countries at the time of vaccine distribution and early uptake. Vaccination also reduces the risk of death during reinfection, so you can add that to the lives saved. Had we let this virus run rampant and without any vaccination, it’s not a stretch to say we could be at 50-60 million global deaths today. The consensus is clear — vaccines have saved many millions of lives.

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I am just looking for the effectiveness of BNT162b2. I wonder why you can't just post the number. I seem to recall, the medical community had a number when the vaccine was released.



That was based on scientific evidence that the medical community supported, or so someone claimed in 2020.
Effectiveness against which strain, moron?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Wasn't the main selling point of mRNA vaccines over traditional vaccines, that it could literally be adjusted on the fly for the specific strain?
No. It was one advantage. Not the main selling point. We are just now getting updated boosters for omicron.
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how was it pointless when millions of lives were saved?
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
First link I clicked had this gem:

"Conclusions and Relevance:This study found that within the first 5 months after the start of the vaccination campaign, vaccination was associated with a significant reduction in COVID-19 infection as well as a reduction in mortality."

Everyone knows that the vaccinated can and still do get infected and spread covid very, very easily.
There’s good evidence that early in the pandemic, prior to omicron, vaccination reduced the risk of infection.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Just in time for Omicron to not be the dominant strain?

Where were the boosters for Delta?
Were there ever boosters for the other strains, or were the "boosters" always for the original one?
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
First link I clicked had this gem:

"Conclusions and Relevance:This study found that within the first 5 months after the start of the vaccination campaign, vaccination was associated with a significant reduction in COVID-19 infection as well as a reduction in mortality."

Everyone knows that the vaccinated can and still do get infected and spread covid very, very easily.
A bit too easily. Every vaccinated person I know has caught Covid a minimum of 2 times since being vaxxed. Aunt has tested positive 5 times..Biden..3 times. Strange since the wife and I caught it in what we thought it was in late Dec.2019...both unvaxxed, both have't caught anything..same goes for personal circle of friends..once and done...maybe this explains why from way back in 2021..


Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint
Blood samples from recovered patients suggest a powerful, long-lasting immune response, researchers reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/h...-immunity.html


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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Just in time for Omicron to not be the dominant strain?

Where were the boosters for Delta?
Yea it sucks. It would be better if they got them out sooner.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Were there ever boosters for the other strain, or were the "boosters" always for the original one?
The boosters were all the same as the og vaccine. It was just a second/third dose basically.

The new booster they are talking about is for omicron I think.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
There is no such thing as a "third dose".

So why did we use mRNA vaccines again, if the main selling point of it being adaptable was never utilized?
"Science".

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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Yea it sucks. It would be better if they got them out sooner.
the vaccines never stopped transmission or lowered deaths. In fact just the opposite, in nearly every country when vaccine program rolled out we saw a huge jump in deaths.every. single. time.

Here's a nice clip of nothing but data/graphs from JohnHopkins showing exactly this.



Give it up Wincel
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Any and all of the current crop of the Covid vaccines ae still based on the original strain, IIRC.



There is no such thing as a "third dose".

So why did we use mRNA vaccines again, if the main selling point of it being adaptable was never utilized?



Interesting, what was the medical community's viewpoint on not using the correct vaccines?

"Safe andeffective"
Again, 5 s of googling.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01771-3

The answer to all your questions is to fuking go read lol. You're a lazy pos so you want other ppl to look chit up for you.
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