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post 1667299533 09-04-2022, 10:13 AM
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So that was the LNPs. Then there was the codon optimization.

https://ehden.substack.com/p/coptiga...our-health?s=r










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It's worth reading the whole thing though.

People were injected with a poorly labeled/unlabeled treatment of unknown quality and contents. Regulators seem to have turned a blind eye so that they can claim ignorance...or at least attempt to do so.





Are you aware of the fraud suit being pursued against Pfizer?

Their current line of defense is that they did not commit fraud because they claim that the government was fully aware of the true nature of their product [ineffective and unsafe] and that since the government knew this was a worthless and potentially damaging product no fraud took place even though their documents were skewed to make it appear that their product works and is safe.
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There is a ton of evidence that the vaccines are safe and work. Your sources are all largely no-name physicians or even discredited ones who are straight up lying to you about this. And you're freaking out over chit you don't know how to interpret. You're acting like the vaccines are turning people into mutants or something and modifying their DNA. The number of adverse events is insanely small for the number of people who were vaccinated. And when you observed an elevated risk compared to baseline for the vaccines, I'll remind you that you should really be comparing it to the virus itself. You can't even just stop and zoom out and look at your argument. According to you, a virus didn't cause all the excess deaths. Rather, it was the vaccines. Even though we saw excess deaths in countries that didn't have access to mRNA vaccines at all...It's so stupid.

Anyone can file a lawsuit. Let me know how it turns out. And LNPs do not bioaccumulate. That is such horsechit. The lipids get broken down and reused for other things. Neither Pfizer nor Moderna are going to share details on the LNPs since that is their cash cow. I'd be in favor of them being forced to release all the details so other countries can copy them and make them.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
There is a ton of evidence that the vaccines are safe and work. Your sources are all largely no-name physicians or even discredited ones who are straight up lying to you about this. And you're freaking out over chit you don't know how to interpret. You're acting like the vaccines are turning people into mutants or something and modifying their DNA. The number of adverse events is insanely small for the number of people who were vaccinated. And when you observed an elevated risk compared to baseline for the vaccines, I'll remind you that you should really be comparing it to the virus itself. You can't even just stop and zoom out and look at your argument. According to you, a virus didn't cause all the excess deaths. Rather, it was the vaccines. Even though we saw excess deaths in countries that didn't have access to mRNA vaccines at all...It's so stupid.

Anyone can file a lawsuit. Let me know how it turns out. And LNPs do not bioaccumulate. That is such horsechit. The lipids get broken down and reused for other things. Neither Pfizer nor Moderna are going to share details on the LNPs since that is their cash cow. I'd be in favor of them being forced to release all the details so other countries can copy them and make them.
yeah but they are also wholly unnecessary
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Cliffs:


Yes it was pointless, we knew that from the start but still made a desperate attempt in 3 hours to try anyway but just ended up doing more harm than good

Humanity naively thinks it understands everything despite being specs of dust in all of creation
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
yeah but they are also wholly unnecessary
Millions of lives were saved dude.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
There is a ton of evidence that the vaccines are safe and work.Your sources are all largely no-name physicians or even discredited oneswho are straight up lying to you about this. And you're freaking out over chit you don't know how to interpret. You're acting like the vaccines are turning people into mutants or something and modifying their DNA. The number of adverse events is insanely small for the number of people who were vaccinated. And when you observed an elevated risk compared to baseline for the vaccines, I'll remind you that you should really be comparing it to the virus itself. You can't even just stop and zoom out and look at your argument. According to you, a virus didn't cause all the excess deaths. Rather, it was the vaccines. Even though we saw excess deaths in countries that didn't have access to mRNA vaccines at all...It's so stupid.

Anyone can file a lawsuit. Let me know how it turns out. And LNPs do not bioaccumulate. That is such horsechit. The lipids get broken down and reused for other things. Neither Pfizer nor Moderna are going to share details on the LNPs since that is their cash cow. I'd be in favor of them being forced to release all the details so other countries can copy them and make them.
Not willing to drop the blinders then, eh? It's not promising when your argument devolves to "I don't approve of your source because I do not like the people who did the study" because it is peer reviewed and published so you can't use that one.




It's pretty obvious that you believe that I'm missing information, or somehow not quite smart enough to understand the situation.

And my counter is that I don't have to be *that smart*, just smart enough to look for information and to locate the best qualified sources I can find.



Go read TES. He does mathematical analyses.


Something is killing a lot of extra people. Highest spike IIRC is cancer which was pointed out quite early by a pathologist- that he was seeing strange things in cancer, more severe, different types, more young people.

They fiddled around with the mRNA and delivered in inside of LNPs which have a history of toxicity, though they super pinkie swear that this one is okay.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/



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Cancer



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Neurological disease/aka: prion misfolding like Mad Cow/CJ



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Older study that found vax spike still present after 60 days; I think there is one that said 15 months now



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Summing up that study: immune system suppression, neurological diseases and cancer.

Super safe shots though.

Everyone should get them...2 at least. Or was it 3? 4?
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5 day course of antivirals - 3 pills in am and 3 at night. Knocked all symptoms down after first day for me. Chits amazing.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Not willing to drop the blinders then, eh? It's not promising when your argument devolves to "I don't approve of your source because I do not like the people who did the study" because it is peer reviewed and published so you can't use that one.




It's pretty obvious that you believe that I'm missing information, or somehow not quite smart enough to understand the situation.

And my counter is that I don't have to be *that smart*, just smart enough to look for information and to locate the best qualified sources I can find.



Go read TES. He does mathematical analyses.


Something is killing a lot of extra people. Highest spike IIRC is cancer which was pointed out quite early by a pathologist- that he was seeing strange things in cancer, more severe, different types, more young people.

They fiddled around with the mRNA and delivered in inside of LNPs which have a history of toxicity, though they super pinkie swear that this one is okay.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/



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Cancer



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Neurological disease/aka: prion misfolding like Mad Cow/CJ



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Older study that found vax spike still present after 60 days; I think there is one that said 15 months now



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Summing up that study: immune system suppression, neurological diseases and cancer.

Super safe shots though.

Everyone should get them...2 at least. Or was it 3? 4?
lol @ 4. In 2100 you'll still have cucks claiming the science is settled and doing their part
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Katya, you're misinterpreting the study. Even if the vaccines increased the risk of adverse events, you'd need to compare that to the adverse events from the fuking virus. It spreads like crazy, and if you've seen those, you'd realize the vaccines are much better. The paper merely suggests a review of risk. It isn't telling you not to get vaccinated or any of the other crap you said.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
So all the doctors and biologists are stupid, brainwashed, or immoral according to you. It's all a huge conspiracy. The thousands of people involved in making and testing the vaccines were all in on it.

Isn't there another possibility here?
It's not much of a conspiracy to say most professionals are actually incompetent and too arrogant to ever realize it. That class of people continues to demonstrate just how susceptible they are to brainwashing, culminating in the last two years.

I wonder if they'll ever own up to being outwitted by a bunch of uneducated rednecks, as they see them, who relied on the one thing the professionals are desperately deficient in, common sense.

I doubt it though, their egos wouldn't allow it.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Katya, you're misinterpreting the study. Even if the vaccines increased the risk of adverse events, you'd need to compare that to the adverse events from the fuking virus. It spreads like crazy, and if you've seen those, you'd realize the vaccines are much better. The paper merely suggests a review of risk. It isn't telling you not to get vaccinated or any of the other crap you said.
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
It's not much of a conspiracy to say most professionals are actually incompetent and too arrogant to ever realize it. That class of people continues to demonstrate just how susceptible they are to brainwashing, culminating in the last two years.

I wonder if they'll ever own up to being outwitted by a bunch of uneducated rednecks, as they see them, who relied on the one thing the professionals are desperately deficient in, common sense.

I doubt it though, their egos wouldn't allow it.
Well you rednecks should come up with a vaccine or some other therapy in a year and let me know how it goes. I consider their inventions one of the hallmarks of medical science. Anyway, there is no point discussing this. It's tiresome. All I can say is if medicine and biology are so easy for you people, consider getting a PhD since the world needs brilliant researchers like you.

But you'll have to pass ochem first lol. Nobody can force you idiots to take a vaccine. All they can do is show you the data and make the argument. Most people don't listen to their doctors. It is what it is.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Katya, you're misinterpreting the study. Even if the vaccines increased the risk of adverse events, you'd need to compare that to the adverse events from the fuking virus. It spreads like crazy, and if you've seen those, you'd realize the vaccines are much better. The paper merely suggests a review of risk. It isn't telling you not to get vaccinated or any of the other crap you said.
No I don't believe that I am misinterpreting. They are calling for a formal risk benefit anaylsis.

The vaccines are NOT much better. At best they offered temporary protection which may have been helpful to the small segment of the total population who were susceptible to a covid infection bad enough to put them in the hospital or possibly kill them.

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Best case. No conspiracy theory. A minor degree of temporary protection in exchange for the highest number of adverse events ever reported for an injection.

It never made sense for healthy people under age 50 to take on an additional risk to their health in order to avoid a relatively minor viral infection.

Now it appears that the long term negative effects of the shots may kill [have killed?] millions of people needlessly.

Did you see that the UK is no longer recommending the shots for pregnant women?

Or that Denmark stopped offering the shots to people under age 18?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Katya, you're misinterpreting the study. Even if the vaccines increased the risk of adverse events, you'd need to compare that to the adverse events from the fuking virus. It spreads like crazy, and if you've seen those, you'd realize the vaccines are much better. The paper merely suggests a review of risk. It isn't telling you not to get vaccinated or any of the other crap you said.
Time to drop a bunch of tactical nukes on all of your bullsh*t:

Proof your Government is manipulating data to cover up the lethality of COVID-19 vaccination
https://www.chemicalviolence.com/202...lethality.html

NATURE study confirms: Triple-vaccinated developing clots associated with “long covid”
https://www.nutritruth.org/single-po...ith-long-covid

Analyst says Moderna’s covid vaccine trials used “deceptive practices,” full of “mostly irrelevant studies”
https://www.chemicalviolence.com/202...rrelevant.html

GB News host Mark Steyn wants to know why young athletes are DYING across the UK
https://www.chemicalviolence.com/202...ss-the-uk.html

Studies show that COVID vaccines cause BLOOD DAMAGE
https://www.chemicalviolence.com/202...od-damage.html

Excess deaths more prominent among those who took third and fourth covid shots
https://www.chemicalviolence.com/202...vid-shots.html

Yeah that’s normal: three young German federal league (Bundesliga) soccer players diagnosed with testicular cancer in the last three months
https://thecovidblog.com/2022/08/17/...-three-months/

Jeremy Mansfield: South Africa broadcaster beat leukemia 13 years ago, calls non-vaccinated “fuc**ng stupid,” now in palliative care with liver cancer
https://thecovidblog.com/2022/08/19/...-liver-cancer/

Tuesday Tidings II: Monkeypox vaccine virtue signaling, more bug eating, depopulation rhetoric, and tribal politics distracting from 13 more sudden deaths
https://thecovidblog.com/2022/08/16/...sudden-deaths/
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1,151+ pages of peoples accounts of Covid-19 vaccine damage:
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Well you rednecks should come up with a vaccine or some other therapy in a year and let me know how it goes. I consider their inventions one of the hallmarks of medical science. Anyway, there is no point discussing this. It's tiresome. All I can say is if medicine and biology are so easy for you people, consider getting a PhD since the world needs brilliant researchers like you.

But you'll have to pass ochem first lol.
As opposed to the brilliant people who created this virus in the first place? Or are we still going off of the bat story everyone ate up in the beginning?

It's hard to fathom they'd be susceptible to brainwashing like that, it's more likely they're really the geniuses they all think they are.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
It's the same argument they use against global warming. This is the result of decades of funded disinformation campaigns. We now have a public with absolutely no understanding of science. Who knows where we will be in 2 generations? Probably resembling something like Afghanistan if we don't blow ourselves up in nuclear war.
No one says there is no climate change you ignorant turd.

Ice ages are climate change. No one disputes those happen naturally, not even someone as stupid as yourself.

It is the anthropogenic climate change which is disputed and there is zero evidence that man has changed the climate via co2, despite his hubris to think he can.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Now, when will the climate change lockdowns start?
When it's politically expedient to do so. Which is not now, with the economy so fragile and energy prices in vertical mode. TBH actual lockdowns are unlikely, unless you live in some Chinese cities, but ever more restrictions and added taxes are guaranteed. The people preaching how it's all necessary fly on private jets literally every week. Fukin LOLOLOL.

Gotta love the Europeans seeing their natural gas prices go 6-10x higher in a year, which will cause many businesses to falter. End result: they're turning to coal, which is 4x dirtier than natural gas, and firewood which makes coal seem clean. Bravo!!! Economic destruction and suffering because they wanted to appease the Greens for years.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
You don't have to get mad. I accepted your apology.

Now, when will the climate change lockdowns start?
Time to take your meds, retard.
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The cope is strong with the suckers who feel for it
People fell for it before, forget this already happened in 1976 with the Swine Flu. no lessons learned

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Originally Posted By coast2coastam⏩
As opposed to the brilliant people who created this virus in the first place? Or are we still going off of the bat story everyone ate up in the beginning?

It's hard to fathom they'd be susceptible to brainwashing like that, it's more likely they're really the geniuses they all think they are.
The “bat story” has only been strengthened over time. More evidence for it today than ever. The plausibility of a lab leak has been decreasing progressively.
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Going to drop this off here for those still interested in the topic.



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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Going to drop this off here for those still interested in the topic.



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https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/ba...trial-actually

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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
This should be very very easy to test for. I wouldn't hold your breath that the study will be done in the US though. Or if it is done in the US it would probably be done in secret and not reported to the public.
no, i'm saying that there absolutely have been radiolabelled mRNA expression studies where the duration of protein expression has been looked at, it's publicly available, although regrettably due to having a poverty post count i can't link it yet, but in a mere 5 posts i can. i think there's been multiple of these studies actually.

tbh for me, having read probably 150+ papers on mRNA shots since the pandemic started, the main issue i see is not necessarily duration of protein expression, which i'm fairly confident would be short lived in anyone who's not immunocompromised, especially because by 10 days after the shot there are going to be CD8+ T cells going around murdering the **** out of any cell still making spike. the main issue i see is the intensity of the type 1 interferon response, TFNa and IL-6 among other cytokines, which is a different cytokine profile than other types of vaccines. my layman brosceince theory for why some people seem to have issues with mRNA shots flaring autoimmune issues or what-have-you is basically that the very potent inflammatory response to the vaccine is markedly different than the interleukin and tumor necrosis factor responses to other vaccines. IL-2 and IL-6 in particular are interesting (and IL-6 is important for ADE)
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Originally Posted By cramer1995⏩
no,i'm saying that there absolutely have been radiolabelled mRNA expression studies where the duration of protein expression has been looked at,it's publicly available, although regrettably due to having a poverty post count i can't link it yet, but in a mere 5 posts i can. i think there's been multiple of these studies actually.

tbh for me, having read probably 150+ papers on mRNA shots since the pandemic started, the main issue i see is not necessarily duration of protein expression, which i'm fairly confident would be short lived in anyone who's not immunocompromised, especially because by 10 days after the shot there are going to be CD8+ T cells going around murdering the **** out of any cell still making spike. the main issue i see is the intensity of the type 1 interferon response, TFNa and IL-6 among other cytokines, which is a different cytokine profile than other types of vaccines. my layman brosceince theory for why some people seem to have issues with mRNA shots flaring autoimmune issues or what-have-you is basically that the very potent inflammatory response to the vaccine is markedly different than the interleukin and tumor necrosis factor responses to other vaccines. IL-2 and IL-6 in particular are interesting (and IL-6 is important for ADE)
I'm curious if the mrna that were studied were tinkered with in the same way.

FWIW you can post the link and just add a space that someone would have to remove in order to use the link.

https: //i.imgur.com/6dPZlf6.png

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Originally Posted By cramer1995⏩
no, i'm saying that there absolutely have been radiolabelled mRNA expression studies where the duration of protein expression has been looked at, it's publicly available, although regrettably due to having a poverty post count i can't link it yet, but in a mere 5 posts i can. i think there's been multiple of these studies actually.

tbh for me, having read probably 150+ papers on mRNA shots since the pandemic started, the main issue i see is not necessarily duration of protein expression, which i'm fairly confident would be short lived in anyone who's not immunocompromised, especially because by 10 days after the shot there are going to be CD8+ T cells going around murdering the **** out of any cell still making spike. the main issue i see is the intensity of the type 1 interferon response, TFNa and IL-6 among other cytokines, which is a different cytokine profile than other types of vaccines. my layman brosceince theory for why some people seem to have issues with mRNA shots flaring autoimmune issues or what-have-you is basically that the very potent inflammatory response to the vaccine is markedly different than the interleukin and tumor necrosis factor responses to other vaccines. IL-2 and IL-6 in particular are interesting (and IL-6 is important for ADE)
Pharmacology studies are performed for any drug developed. And would have been part of FDA submittal.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I'm curious if the mrna that were studied were tinkered with in the same way.

FWIW you can post the link and just add a space that someone would have to remove in order to use the link.

https: //i.imgur.com/6dPZlf6.png

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i can just post it now anyways

this one found protein expression for an mRNA vaccine to last about 7 days:https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...11124717317485

this one is paywalled but citations quote the paper as finding 10 days of expression as far as i can tell:https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021...nolett.6b03329

the EMA report says "at least 8 days"

mRNA can be tinkered with a lot, but IIRC there really isn't much of a mechanism that could lead to it lasting forever. it's a temporary thing

again if you ask me the very potent inflammatory responses are the bigger issue. i wouldn't be worried about being a spike factory i'd be worried about my immune system having a panic attack and flooding my system with TNFa, IL-2, etc
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Originally Posted By Ten_Hearts⏩
Pharmacology studies are performed for any drug developed. And would have been part of FDA submittal.
you can read the EMA reports themselves here:https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documen...-report_en.pdf

it rather explicitly says they didn't do traditional studies with the BNT vaccine itself, just surrogates
No traditional pharmacokinetic or biodistribution studies have been performed with the vaccine
candidate BNT162b2.
it goes into quite a bit of detail about the rat and mouse studies though, including duration of protein expression, which they stopped checking for at 9 days and was still above baseline, but decreasing in a half-life manner so likely gone soon after.
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