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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine Thread V- The winter is coming: A tale of stupid sanctions

post 1669185063 10-09-2022, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
ya you might be right. i dont know anything about nukes but the fact that an independent survey or investigation or whatever the fuk it was concluded a pretty precise estimate of quantity for enriched uranium and plutonium inside ukraine must mean something. also the fact that ukraines ex-pm has stated that ukraine has the technology and could have nukes in 2-3 years...

that being said i do no nothing about nuclear r&d, this is just me talking ****.
Ukraine will never have nukes. They will be a green energy economy. They'll never have access to the fuel in the end. They are almost done giving enough political capital to Russia to make escalation unavoidable.

Russia is mad at putin for not being more abrasive and belligerent to the point he'll have no choice but to do so or he'll risk mutiny. It's why I believe he's behind a good bit of the perceived "terror."
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Ukraine will never have nukes. They will be a green energy economy. They'll never have access to the fuel in the end. They are almost done giving enough political capital to Russia to make escalation unavoidable.

Russia is mad at putin for not being more abrasive and belligerent to the point he'll have no choice but to do so or he'll risk mutiny.It's why I believe he's behind a good bit of the perceived "terror."
what do you mean by that?
post 1669185333 10-09-2022, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
clearly you do which is why youve been wrong about literally everything in the past 7 months. cool story bro.
Sure. My bad. "Ukraine" is winning.

Assessment with current variables isn't "wrong."

The overarching fact is that ukraine cannot stop what is happening is true. Look at the map. Feel free to celebrate empty areas "taken back." It's almost like Russians are fighting a war after taking few casualties to none and stopping a bonsai attack. I love that you think warfare is just clashing forces together. I'd love to be that simple.
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post 1669185343 10-09-2022, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
what do you mean by that?
Read my posts you fuking idiot

Have a conversation as opposed to nuh-uhing all the time.

You should probably hang it up for the day. You've seriously looked stupid enough.
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post 1669185533 10-09-2022, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Read my posts you fuking idiot

Have a conversation as opposed to nuh-uhing all the time.

You should probably hang it up for the day. You've seriously looked stupid enough.
theres no need to get so angry man. lol.


and i would read your posts but i need a rosetta stone to decipher half the **** you post.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
what do you mean by that?
Just the usual, what other observers would deem as bad for the Russian war effort isn't actually a big deal and was orchestrated by the Russians anyway.

Also the gloves are coming off, Russia will finally start taking it seriously, two more weeks, the usual deal.
post 1669185593 10-09-2022, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
theres no need to get so angry man. lol.


and i would read your posts but i need a rosetta stone to decipher half the **** you post.
From your Ukrainian ******** channels, with source.

Feel free to okay this:
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post 1669185653 10-09-2022, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Just the usual, what other observers would deem as bad for the Russian war effort isn't actually a big deal and was orchestrated by the Russians anyway.

Also the gloves are coming off, Russia will finally start taking it seriously, two more weeks, the usual deal.
As annoying as you are at least you pay attention.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
clearly you do which is why youve been wrong about literally nothing in the past 7 months. cool story bro.
I took the retardation out of your post for you
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post 1669185733 10-09-2022, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
I took the retardation out of your post for you
Thanks slick top
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I think we can all agree that Russia has permanently screwed themselves with this misguided invasion. They increased the number of NATO members including two new ones on their border. They've hastened Europe's transition away from their energy. They've shown the world how remarkably ineffective their army is. The videos of millions of Russians fleeing Putin's conscription shows how fractured they are.

Putin's legacy will be that of the one who brought down Russian prestige and influence massively on the world stage.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
again, Russia would know if something was removed. You're dreams a of a Ukrainian nuke aint happening



https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/A...-two-stay-behi
i read the date wrong on the source, thought this investigation was done before the war. okay youre right. mb.

how did they get enriched uranium and plutonium in the first place though?
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post 1669186183 10-09-2022, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
Might want to wait til this thing is over before declaring victory. Too soon Junior.
All of what I noted has already happened. Russia could take full control of Ukraine and it wouldn't change anything I noted.

Two new NATO members on their borders and the move away from their energy by Europe is huge.
post 1669186233 10-09-2022, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted By CCCultistKilla⏩
I think we can all agree that Russia has permanently screwed themselves with this misguided invasion. They increased the number of NATO members including two new ones on their border. They've hastened Europe's transition away from their energy. They've shown the world how remarkably ineffective their army is. The videos of millions of Russians fleeing Putin's conscription shows how fractured they are.

Putin's legacy will be that of the one who brought down Russian prestige and influence massively on the world stage.
Srs question. How does Sweden or Finland joining NATO change anything?
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Originally Posted By CCCultistKilla⏩
All of what I noted has already happened. Russia could take full control of Ukraine and it wouldn't change anything I noted.

Two new NATO members on their borders and the move away from their energy by Europe is huge.
You think American energy will happen as a sustainable source?

Do you acknowledge that Russia has made up European fuel sales to China and India in the 50-60% range and are projected to make up the remaining sales in the next year in developing countries?

Do you also acknowledge the Russian position on new comers to NATO?

These all happen to be things.
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
Srs question. How does Sweden or Finland joining NATO change anything?
for russia or for sweden and finland? for russia i dont think it changes anything, but for sweden and finland it gives them more security.

which is what was so hilarious about people claiming "nato on russias doorstep!!!" when this started as if that was russias red line lol. russia didnt want ukraine to join nato because then russia wouldnt be able to attack ukraine without starting a war with nato. had nothing to do with russias security, russia has 6000 nuclear warheads, that is more than enough security.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
NATO is somewhat of red herring. Ukraine was militarized and built up for the express purpose of fighting Russia. There is a reason why we stopped short of giving them NATO membership, so we wouldnt have to fully commit. We can let the Ukrainians get decimated and walk away if Russia wins, no commitment.

The Rand Corporation, The National Endowment for Democracies, and the ISW thank the Ukrainians for their sacrifice. They will raise a glass to the slaughtered at dinner in their million-dollar homes on the Potomac River in northern Virginia. When this war is over, they will move onto their next scheme. Baiting China into some sort of conflict. "Free Taiwan!" "Democracy for Taipei."


Suckers.
RAND is more legit and based than you think. CSIS is more fuked.
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Originally Posted By CCCultistKilla⏩
All of what I noted has already happened. Russia could take full control of Ukraine and it wouldn't change anything I noted.

Two new NATO members on their borders and the move away from their energy by Europe is huge.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
for russia or for sweden and finland? for russia i dont think it changes anything, but for sweden and finland it gives them more security.

which is what was so hilarious about people claiming "nato on russias doorstep!!!" when this started as if that was russias red line lol. russia didnt want ukraine to join nato because then russia wouldnt be able to attack ukraine without starting a war with nato. had nothing to do with russias security, russia has 6000 nuclear warheads, that is more than enough security.
It is about NATO expansion though. Sweden and FInland have never been under Russian influence. Ukraine always has. That has been changing. That's the difference.
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
It is about NATO expansion though. Sweden and FInland have never been under Russian influence. Ukraine always has. That has been changing. That's the difference.
ok so then the arugment being made is that its about nato expansion BECAUSE it interferes in russias influential sphere NOT because it undermines russian national security.

i guess that is a valid argument to make but just because russias influence is falling off doesnt mean they are justified in invading sovereign nations bro.
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Originally Posted By Muscle2021⏩
Srs question. How does Sweden or Finland joining NATO change anything?
Well first of all it disproves that this whole not war had anything to do with NATO's expansion and just makes Russia look impotent after "threatening" Finland and Sweden for decades in case they wanted to join NATO and just changing their mind overnight and saying "k you can do whatever you want, why should we care haha".

Then there's the matter of NATO countries being within spitting distance (iirc 100 kms or so) of Severomorsk, the HQ of the Northern Fleet.

NATO can also directly keep tabs on the Baltic Sea - besides the Black Sea - and the Gulf of Finland, the entrance to St Petersburg's harbor. Also turning bases into NATO bases overnight, parking troops materiel etc.
Originally Posted By memcop⏩
You think American energy will happen as a sustainable source?

Do you acknowledge that Russia has made up European fuel sales to China and India in the 50-60% range and are projected to make up the remaining sales in the next year in developing countries?

Do you also acknowledge the Russian position on new comers to NATO?

These all happen to be things.
Still waiting for a morsel of a source about Russians magically making up for lost income from Europe - you know, the major source of their profits. EU was/is paying premium prices while India/China were/are buying petro for a penny on the dollar, and it's still physically impossible to summon pipelines and/or tankers so they can just press a button and redirect crap from A to B.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
That's about as likely as Japan unveiling Mecha Godzilla and giving it to Zelensky so he can proceed to waltz into Moscow while laser beaming and nuke breathing the countryside. Ignoring the parts where nobody would even allow them to develop nukes, it's not exactly a matter of duct taping some funky glowing rocks or fuel rods onto a missile and calling it a day.
They could go the chemical weapons route too. Not everything has to be connected to a warhead bruh. Russia would open themselves up to terrorist retaliation with very serious weapons if they did it.

And yes, Ukraine CAN quickly develop nuclear weapons since they already have the technology (they gave them up when the Soviet Union broke up).
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
Then we could have prevented this by having them join NATO instead of dangling it in front of them since 2008. I wonder why we didn't - see Rand Corporation.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
you cant dangle nato membership, it isnt something that anyone can guarantee. there are guidelines and requirements for nato membership. if and when those are met then you need to pass a vote by unanimous approval.

ukraine has had territorial and ethnic disputes going back to at least 2014, that alone disqualifies it right off the bat. they knew that, we knew that, russia knew that.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
theres no need to get so angry man. lol.


and i would read your posts but i need a rosetta stone to decipher half the **** you post.
Dude is posting "war knowledge" in haikus.
Defeat the defeatist.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
ya he is right, ukraine supported many nato missions going back to 1999 in kosovo i believe.

again though, the US president can NOT guarantee nato membership, that just is not how it works. yes he can offer "strong support" but that is just support of a passing vote from 1 nato country.


this isnt some cryptic ****, its written plainly in nato policy. they obviously knew this.
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