Tolerances for manufacturing are insane and the tolerances for installation are insane. These rotate at huge rates and push big pressure 24/7, any error along the way will amplify and even slight vibrations can quickly ruin a piece of equipment worth many millions.


If we draw parallels to the semiconductor industry, it's like saying anyone can just create a factory to produce 5nm chips. No you can't, and China can't turn around and start manufacturing the top level chips that the US is now limiting access to. Even just building the factories to produce the things would take years, much less actually honing the manufacturing process and hitting volume production.

I said 2-3 years.

Brah, look who you're arguing with. Given all the facts, and some dude in O&G posting, wincel and memcop still act like it's easy to create a manufacturing plant specialized industrial o&g parts.

What are they even trying to defend?

They should just say "yeah it's going to take years or a decade to replace some western tech". It's the same reason Russia's military tech is a joke, they can't replicate or match our industrial prowess.

You're so full of yourself.

Again you fail to address what is needed to tip the Russian economy.

well sure good luck. it has taken them years of spying and copying to replicate certain apple products and yet you think they can just decouple and in a few short years replicate highly specialized precise oil and gas turbines the size of your house.

Came across this interesting site that ranks countries by economic/manufacturing complexity capabilities

https://oec.world/en/rankings/eci/hs6/hs96


The only “Chinese” entity even in the top 20 is Taipei, aka Taiwan.


Mainland China’s advantages are cheap labour that can be pushed right to the brink and then lax environmental regulations that make it much cheaper to do chit like metal smelting

Highest profit margin by far. Ferrari will be destroyed by other carmakers around the time that China manages to copypaste Siemens O&G tech and Taiwanese chip production.

I wonder how they count. Kinda surprised the Netherlands isn't in the top 20 cuz ASML makes those massive machines that everybody uses to make chips. They seem pretty damn complex and without them Intel and co wouldn't even be able to make those chips at all.

This is only an industrial gas turbine; it is relatively simple as far as gas turbines go. China & Russia can produce something like this and infact much more complex gas turbines.

Aeroderivative Gas turbines used in the energy sector are far more complex and yet, nowhere near as complex as the gas turbines used on fighter jet airfract.

China & Russia can produce it's own gas turbine engines for it's fighter jet fleet. So the Chinese & Russians are definitely capable of developing this type of equipment.

A good analogy is that a industrial gas turbine is a donkey and a fighter jet gas turbine is a racehorse. This is pretty easy for both Russia and China to produce.

UEC-Perm Engines, A Russian Manufacturer, provided the turbines and compressors for the power of Siberia pipeline. The POS pipeline is 3,968 km and approx. $40Bn in Total installed cost (including gas processing plants).

I worked in both the aeronatical and energy sectors. I have been involved in subsea and overground pipelines and have been involved in industrial gas turbines, aero derivative gas turbines and aeronautical gas turbines.

Again you seem to have missed the last 80 or so years of Soviet/Russian - European relations and history.

Right so within a decade?

I wouldn't say I've missed it.

Your weak attempts to take the subject off topic aren't working.

Russia has been able to sell resources to sustain their economy void of the west. Sanctions intended to bury the Russians. The Russians were able to redirect sales. Should Europe continue to buy from Russia, they will diversify their output and double their exports.

Spin, flop, talk about anything else that you'd like. The entire point was that the sanctions failed and Russia is detangled from the west.

Of course there are two European nations that refused to damage themselves. From what I understand you're posting from your nice warm and fully powered home and will continue to all winter long.

They have Japan ahead of the United States. LOL

Feel free to post anything remotely close to your accusation..

More lying lol

This turbine is not even hard to manufacture for Countries with the capabiltiies to produce gas turbines.

You have to lol @ the idiots comparing it to Intel's Fabs. I mean wow...I knew my fellow compatriots were stupid, but I didn't realize how stupid.

It's kind of amazing that people think China and Russia can manufacturer advanced jet fighter gas Turbines, but dont think those same nations could produce a industrial gas turbine. Something which is relatively simple comparatively.

Honestly i don't know how hard it is to make an intel fab.

No one wanted to touch this one did they?

Russia is significantly more advanced than Canada in engineering & producing gas turbines.

The turbines were sent to Canada, because GE bought the industrial Gas Turbine divison of Rolls Royce. This division is located in Canada.

these are Rolls Royce GTs so they were sent to one of their facilities for overhaul.

To think Canada is more advanced than China or Russia is hilarious.

I think we all know war crimes are happening on both sides?

Damn, back to muh Russian economy cope. Guess all the current counter offensives have stalled out again?

Russia can't produce chit

Nope, russian soldiers are still getting slaughtered daily

Big turbines are an important political issue in Russia these days. Last year, the secret delivery of Siemens-made gas turbines to Crimea by the Russian state-owned company Rostec caused an international scandal. The move was a violation of sanctions applied to Russia for its 2014 annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula – for international sanctions also include the energy technology sector.


As a result, Russian firms have been tasked with engineering and building new high-output turbines to replace aging foreign turbines. In April, it became known that a prototype Russian turbine failed tests conducted in December 2017


As well as the huge cost, developing new, large-scale gas turbines also requires intense scientific development and long-term testing. Matthias Zelinger, energy policy spokesman for Germany's Mechanical Engineering Industry Association (VDMA) in Frankfurt, says, "Today's large-scale gas turbines are some of the most sophisticated machines there are." Moreover, Zelinger says, "the technological hurdles for entering the market are extremely high."

Some of us know that. Others pretend.

Smoth gloss over nazi bracelet too.

But whatever. Opening the door in that direction, even an inch, breaks US support when it should have never been there to begin with.

I’ve said nothing about Russia’s manufacturing capabilities, and before going further will also clarify that I drew zero comparisons between Canada’s manufacturing and Russia/China. North America being out of the top manufacturing rankings is news to no one, our economies are heavily service-based these days but you’ll see much more emphasis on bringing it back to our shores in the near future as this is one of the great risks that has emerged out of the globalization experiment.

We’re discussing this because the entities you’re mentioning are now some of the most heavily-sanctioned on the planet. Rostec, UEC, the various JSC companies, are exactly who will have a much harder time sourcing the components and other materials necessary for manufacturing new or servicing existing equipment.

Ukraine has been ineffective at breaking Russian lines.

In the most simple form, the wall is unable to be moved and if Ukraine's forces cannot move the wall they are the ones dying attempting to advance or stage to it.

With the exception of intelligence providing Kharkovs empty occupation and the Russians running away. There has been no significant breaking of the line. Anywhere.

Your scenario where Russians are being slaughtered is impossible.

You cannot bukake your way out of that fact.

No. There's a lot of the war we should be discussing now but we somehow got distracted by Siemens turbines.

Russia building up on Belarus again.
Ukraine blew up bridges and mined near Belarus.
Poland upgraded its airstrips during the past 7 months.
Kherson region has been making gains.
Rybar has Ukraine headed for Melitopol.
Russia says crimea bridge explosives were hidden in film rolls.

Should be an interesting next few weeks.

Can't see any other bracelet image except a swastika. Strong editing.

Interesting.

It seems strange to me that this will be the case. Industrial Gas Turbines are not rocket science.

The Power of Siberia is using Russian OEMS for their full compression train.

Iran could supply sufficient Industrial Gas turbines from their Mapna group.

https://www.mapnagroup.com/en/features/mgt70

Nordstream 1 used a Trent-60 which is a Rolls Royce aeroderivative. Which originates from the Trent-800 aircraft engine. This is 30 years old tech at this point.